Tired of Groups Blaming the Healer

radiostar

You know what? Use an addon to tell you what my Health and Mag is. That way you don't have to try to call me out in group about my stats.

My Health is high, my Mag is high. I'm healing at my level. It's not me dying in one shot, so don't try and blame the healer.

Funny how I NEVER get crap in a group when I'm on my DK and we wipe. Only when I'm on my Templar. Wonder what that's all about?

I almost never want to volunteer for pugs for the undanted pledges.

/rant off

Gilvoth

what you describe is one of the reasons why i made this thread
-> http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142447/zenimax-can-we-please-have-hirelings-to-help-us-in-dungeons/p1

and "yes" i agree with you.

Sinbaar

It is always the Healer That is just something, we, who are happy and perky, give the lost life back, have to deal with.

Just remember, if there wouldn't be healers, they would be dead anyway

Wolfshead

I'm sorry to but sometime healer are to be blame not always but when you are in group and you get 0 healing for the healer only heal the tank then i start to wonder if that person really know who there class work.

But i also see tank and dps people just run in to boss fight and don't care if the healer have full mana or if the healer are even ready so yes don't only blame healer for at the end of day if you are in group it is team effort if you wipe you wipe as group and no one should be blame instead you should work as team not as individually.

radiostar

happy and perky

You have made me happy, so there's that.

PBpsy

But it is definitely the healers fault and we all know that.

Nacario

If the tank and dps knows their stuff then theres less pressure on healer. Most of the times in dungs u need heals when u took a chunk of dmg u caused urself. f

Iduyenn

The hunter's fault!

But i feel with ya.
As a longtime MMO healer myself i got some perspectif.
But now, when i am Tanking with my Templar i can see in certain occasions, when healer is too weak.

Take Bogdan The Nightflame for instant. If the healer cant heal you up before and after the jump, it could be the fault of the dd`s taking to much dmg before.
In certain occasions they are even vampires bathing in fire. Good luck with them...
But its a fight, where you dont have to heal occasionaly.... you have to heal up, even the dds have only lost 50% life.

Other example; Dark Root (aka "tha rooot"). Besides the fact, that ppl have to stand away from each other i have seen healer not beeing able to heal up.

Sometimes... it`s a weak healer without propper magickareg and the use of to much overheal. They do exist...

What do i want do say? Just this; Even as a healer; Keep the good attitude of healing, but you should never loose the ability of self reflection.

Tonnopesce

A team is made by four and the red circles on the ground can do huge dmg to more than one people when this happens even at full mana as a heal you cant do nothing ecxept press the panic button (for me is the pvp barrier) if this does not work is not healer foult imo.
Usually a tank can take care of himself for 10-20 sec or even more dps no, the dps should know the basic game mecanic and they dont have to pretend that the healer has even to rez ( or use spell simmetry while taking dmg..) < this is the main whipe cause in most dungeons.

If this help my panic combo is Barrier+spell power potion( mana regen, 400 magika and +spell power)+ bone shield.
If one of the group activate the sinergy the group get full life in shields and i can gave them full life in no time.

Rodario

Wolfshead wrote: »

but when you are in group and you get 0 healing for the healer only heal the tank then i start to wonder if that person really know who there class work.

That statement makes me wonder if you know how healing in ESO works. Unfortunately, you can't select a target to be healed.

ESO's "smart heals" automatically select the allies with the lowest health to be hit by the spell, even if that target isn't part of your group.

The healer can't choose to only heal the tank. The only scenario where only the tank is healed is one where the other group members are not in range.

These smart heals are usually not an issue in dungeons, but it has hapened to me while questing that I tried to heal myself, but the spell hit another player nearby instead.

xaraan

Don't know what to say to you man. I didn't play with you, so couldn't know how good you are, or not.

I did a dungeon recently where I told the healer after we died that I would need more healing if I was going to make it through a certain phase. He got defensive, but I ended up explaining it wasn't him, I knew I was asking for a lot, but it was the crappy DPS dragging things out too long and putting us in that situation.

Every fight and group is different. Sometimes it's the tanks fault, or the healers, or the dps, or a specific player that can't seem to stay out of red or position themselves better and always seem to die or take more damage. Sometimes sh't just hits the fan and things fall apart.

Csub

I got kicked once in veteran DC at the lot of spiders boss after the gargoyle because people kept getting 1-hit from that are and because we didn't have enough dps. Mmo rule #1: blame the healer.

Koensol

I feel you OP. As a healer I was once blamed and called out for a wipe in the banished cells fight with all the orbs. I was totally oom and pots on CD, so I resorted to using my healing ult, which rooted me to the ground and led me to dying from spawning AoE orbs. The tank went completely berserk on me how I shouldn't have used it, while he and one other dps kept standing in it for too long as well.

Unfortunately its what we healers get for doing our best to try and save the group.

schroed360

Koensol wrote: »

I feel you OP. As a healer I was once blamed and called out for a wipe in the banished cells fight with all the orbs. I was totally oom and pots on CD, so I resorted to using my healing ult, which rooted me to the ground and led me to dying from spawning AoE orbs. The tank went completely berserk on me how I shouldn't have used it, while he and one other dps kept standing in it for too long as well.

Unfortunately its what we healers get for doing our best to try and save the group.

You should know that on this particular fight( Imril )and this is the same for the last boss(rillis ) there is a bug.Boss by pass the block mitigation which mean even a good tank who reach hard cap will have his life shred into piece.This is why you will always be Oom really quickly if the tank stand in front of the boss bloking (nothing actually )So the solution is that he kite the boss: taunt then run(even better with pvp speed buff).For rillis there is no easy way ...you will have to be really good or those DD that are putting the blame on you should just switch to resto staff and help you out...

zaria

Rodario wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

but when you are in group and you get 0 healing for the healer only heal the tank then i start to wonder if that person really know who there class work.

That statement makes me wonder if you know how healing in ESO works. Unfortunately, you can't select a target to be healed.

ESO's "smart heals" automatically select the allies with the lowest health to be hit by the spell, even if that target isn't part of your group.

The healer can't choose to only heal the tank. The only scenario where only the tank is healed is one where the other group members are not in range.

These smart heals are usually not an issue in dungeons, but it has hapened to me while questing that I tried to heal myself, but the spell hit another player nearby instead.

However the smart heal is not fast is more like regen, its something you try to keep up on people. Healing springs heals fast but an AOE, it you have to cast it on three members who is spread out and taking damage you will run out of magic fast, this is why its smart to stack up back the tank, you get the same healing as him.

SFBryan18

Never mind. My statement wasn't funny.

Xexpo

red circle on ground is bad
maybe bads can't see bad

The_Sadist

Out of all the PUGs I've ever done only a handful of times has the healer ever been 'yelled' at or blamed.

There are players who stand in red religiously or tanks who can't hold aggro for the life of them and as a Healer or a DPS I call them out on it, but very rarely is it the healers fault. That being said if people are constantly complaining and in every group you're in people die.. perhaps it's an issue on your end. Most PUG healers I snag are extremely capable individuals, but it's a case by case basis.

schroed360

Feel sad for you all healer.And even more so for those who choose to be a healer without being a templar since that mean that others need to understand what are the restriction of healing with a resto staff.
In this game everybody should have play the 3 rôle.
Everybody should have resto staff to 50 with at least regeneration and healing spring even without the passive(this is 4 skill points... so not that much).
And for those who blame on you .Just ask them what do they propose to get better!!What I mean is if there is really something to blame a good player will give you the/a solution/idea.
For example a quite common thing that I see and suggest to healer is that instead of using great direct templar heal that cost a big load of mana to heal DD who are using spell symetry just throw 1-2 regeneration (resto staff).That cost almost nothing and allow 1spell sym every 6-7 sec which is more than enought.
Of course that suppose that DD understand that he should wait to be full life to use it...and in my experience usually THIS is where the problem is...This and staying in red aoe of course.

TehMagnus

radiostar wrote: »

You know what? Use an addon to tell you what my Health and Mag is. That way you don't have to try to call me out in group about my stats.

There is no way to see your magicka through an addon unless they changed the API which is unlikely.

radiostar wrote: »

My Health is high, my Mag is high. I'm healing at my level. It's not me dying in one shot, so don't try and blame the healer.

If your magicka is high it means ur not spending it to spam heals so it's bad . Only way for people to die from one shot is because tank lost agro and they didn't block in time. Or they got so much damage at once that you weren't healing that they got toons of damage in a couple of seconds.

radiostar wrote: »

Funny how I NEVER get crap in a group when I'm on my DK and we wipe. Only when I'm on my Templar. Wonder what that's all about?

Well duh, when you're on your DK and you wipe it's the healer's fault. Totally unrelated.


In any case, it's always the "Healer's fault"™

Jitterbug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

radiostar

magnusnet wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

You know what? Use an addon to tell you what my Health and Mag is. That way you don't have to try to call me out in group about my stats.

There is no way to see your magicka through an addon unless they changed the API which is unlikely.

radiostar wrote: »

My Health is high, my Mag is high. I'm healing at my level. It's not me dying in one shot, so don't try and blame the healer.

If your magicka is high it means ur not spending it to spam heals so it's bad . Only way for people to die from one shot is because tank lost agro and they didn't block in time. Or they got so much damage at once that you weren't healing that they got toons of damage in a couple of seconds.

radiostar wrote: »

Funny how I NEVER get crap in a group when I'm on my DK and we wipe. Only when I'm on my Templar. Wonder what that's all about?

Well duh, when you're on your DK and you wipe it's the healer's fault. Totally unrelated.


In any case, it's always the "Healer's fault"™

Maybe not the Mag now that you mention it I Know they can see my health b/c they ask me to pls give my foods to another group member when they see my health, lol.

But ya, always the healer fault. Isn't that special?

kewl

@Jitterbug‌ great vid, thanks for sharing.

Sinbaar

Well, let's be said, you should play that Song during Dungeons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPSB5znTQE

nAismA

... i am proud to play my templar primary as healer, in my experience teso comparing with other mmo being a healer is hard:

- you have to discipline the damned charging tanks and dps to stay in range
- you need an extraordinary good overview and perception
- sometimes you have to think 3 moves in advance of your leader, just to be at the right time at the right place
- switch to damage and cc just cause that 1.5k dps doesnt kill anything
- and and and

to be honest ^^... sometimes it is me
i wait until one of my kindergarten childs runs out of range and count on ts until they die always a pleasure 4 me
... and i take gold 4 let peticular player die ^^ thats a lot of fun

i suggest you should do the same if they cry

Lord_Kreegan

Healers are blamed when they can't heal more than the damage done by the mobs, regardless of the circumstances.

Tanks are blamed when they can't hold the aggro of all mobs attacking the players in a group, regardless of the circumstances.

DPS are blamed when they can't kill all the mobs fast enough to lighten the loads on the healer and tank, regardless of the circumstances.

Crowd control players are blamed when they can't control the crowds well enough to keep the mobs off, regardless of the circumstances.

Buffers are blamed when they can't buff their teammates enough to let everyone heal, tank, and DPS at an extraordinary level, regardless of the circumstances.

Debuffers are blamed when they can't debuff the mobs to the point that they're mewling kittens, regardless of the circumstances.

It's the same in every game...

If you're going to play MMORPGs, especially if you're going to do PUGs, you have to develop a thick skin.

Players hide behind the anonymity of the Internet and the worst aspects of human nature come out. So, the best attitude to adopt is "Screw the a-holes; I'm still getting the quest done."

The other half of the coin is that you get to enjoy the good teammates you run into. THAT's why I do PUGs. I've made lots of friends through PUGs; I'd rather do a PUG than group with people I know because I already know those people are a-holes...

Reverb

I feel your pain, we've all faced the blame of a group that wiped. I'm sure some times it really is bad heals that are the problem, but the times i've been blamed were just bad performance and dynamics of the group as a whole.

Once in vet FG the tank couldn't hold aggro for anything, and I was getting targeted by mobs and adds the whole time. He blamed me for his repeated deaths and wouldn't listen to my explanation that I could use my time and mana to heal or fight but not both. If I'm taking heat I can't just keep heals on the tank. But I tried it his way,I just kept running around and dodging enemies on me and throwing heals, and was the first to die 3 times in a row followed quickly by the entire team. I bounced, and learned later that they got another healer, had the same problems and disbanded the group without finishing.

And in vet BC once the dps was for s**t and all the fights went on for waaaay longer than usual. I would deplete my mana before my potion timer ran down, and the tank would die. Over and over. Both deeps blamed me, the tank blamed the dps, we disbanded the group.

And I don't remember where but I once had an archer dps that seemed determined to be as far away from the rest of the group as possible. Would be out of healing range and start taking aoe dmg. I kept running back and forth trying to keep everybody covered but it wasn't working. We would talk and she would apologize and say she would stay on the same side as the sorc, only to run off again when the next fight started. I stopped trying to chase her and just let her die every time. She raged at me over it.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

You know, the last time I mentioned that people were blaming the healer the next poster told me that everyone on the game knew not to run out of range or not to stand in the red, so it had to be my fault as the healer because they bolt escaped into the next room without me having any magicka left after they stood in three red circles. Of course, they could not be bothered to carry a few health potions.

It is always easier to blame someone else than to accept the consequences for one's own actions.

Wolfenbelle

What I'm tired of is all the blaming that goes on, period. Sometimes I want to yell that it's a GAME, people. Get a life if you can't handle a little difficulty in a GAME.

eliisra

I had my share of "blame the healer" in other mmorpgs. Most commonly in PvP instances. Miserable kids raging in chat and calling you and others (the healers) pathetic, bad, useless and blah blah, when the enemy is winning.

But never had any of that in ESO. Closets I ever got to "unfair blame" during pug pledges was some disagreement with a dps about reviving order. Might be because I'm a sufficient healer, with correct build that knows all tactics, but it's also about attitude. After 10 years of gaming I finally learned how to be slightly intimidating lol.

Because pugs will always look for the weak link, when wipes re-occur. You cannot let them think you're the one. It's not so much about giving a spotless heal performance. It's more about how you react and what you type. If they insinuates something, you snipe them back verbally and harder. Pointing out others mistakes as you go along, is also crucial when it comes to dodging the blame game. They need to learn early on that going of at you will have consequences.

If you come across as confident, experienced and verbally aggressive, than no one will dare blame the healer. As long as you're doing your job that is.