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Stealth when Justice goes live
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Currently, when we stealth, members of our own alliance can still see us.
I expect once the PvP aspects of the Justice System go live we'll be invisible to player guards.
Will we also be invisible to non-guard players as well?
If we are not invisible to everybody, we'll have non-guard players working in tandem with the player guards giving away our positions via tell or teamspeak or even zone chat, since their non-combatant status will make them untouchable, so the guards can approach and break stealth either with proximity or detect potions.
Don't missunderstand, if our stealth is broken in the normal way by getting too close or when someone pops a detect potion, it would make perfect sense for a 'concerned citizen' to do the equivalent of "Stop thief!". I think it will cause problems if everybody not currently engaged in Justice System PvP can see us crouched.
I'm hoping that stealthed players will be invisible to anybody they aren't grouped with. All the normal rules would apply, get too close in the line of sight and we are revealed.
I expect once the PvP aspects of the Justice System go live we'll be invisible to player guards.
Will we also be invisible to non-guard players as well?
If we are not invisible to everybody, we'll have non-guard players working in tandem with the player guards giving away our positions via tell or teamspeak or even zone chat, since their non-combatant status will make them untouchable, so the guards can approach and break stealth either with proximity or detect potions.
Don't missunderstand, if our stealth is broken in the normal way by getting too close or when someone pops a detect potion, it would make perfect sense for a 'concerned citizen' to do the equivalent of "Stop thief!". I think it will cause problems if everybody not currently engaged in Justice System PvP can see us crouched.
I'm hoping that stealthed players will be invisible to anybody they aren't grouped with. All the normal rules would apply, get too close in the line of sight and we are revealed.
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dharbert✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I predict the amount of trolling and griefing will be almost limitless with the justice system.7 -
phreatophile✭✭✭✭✭
✭^That's my big fear.
Trolling, griefing, and exploiting galore.
This is an easy one to fix beforehand.2 -
Darkrogue671✭✭✭Try sneaking into a resource in Cyrodil and take 2 steps towards the flag. How does that stealth work in the pvp justice system?0 -
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✭Darkrogue671 wrote: »Try sneaking into a resource in Cyrodil and take 2 steps towards the flag. How does that stealth work in the pvp justice system?
It works pretty badly. Let's hope we aren't locked out of stealth, with no notable reason, for 10 minutes, within a mile of town like in Cyrodil.2 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭My question is if we are in a establishment, like for example a Bank, and we get into a fight with a guard (Since guards will be unkillable) or an enforcer, will we be able to open doors to escape??Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.0 -
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✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »My question is if we are in a establishment, like for example a Bank, and we get into a fight with a guard (Since guards will be unkillable) or an enforcer, will we be able to open doors to escape??
Depends how the guards AI is.
If its low then nope, we wont be able to escape. If its good then yes, as they will just follow us.0 -
diabeticDemon18✭✭✭whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »My question is if we are in a establishment, like for example a Bank, and we get into a fight with a guard (Since guards will be unkillable) or an enforcer, will we be able to open doors to escape??
Depends how the guards AI is.
If its low then nope, we wont be able to escape. If its good then yes, as they will just follow us.
I feel like as the current system goes, it'll mark you as in combat and take away the option to open doors... I really hope that's not true, but that's what I'm thinking0 -
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✭✭TGiordano92 wrote: »All guards are unkillable....????
It was stated that the NPC guards will be unkillable. You can stun or CC and run away from them, or fight them to your death (or arrest).0 -
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✭diabeticDemon18 wrote: »whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »My question is if we are in a establishment, like for example a Bank, and we get into a fight with a guard (Since guards will be unkillable) or an enforcer, will we be able to open doors to escape??
Depends how the guards AI is.
If its low then nope, we wont be able to escape. If its good then yes, as they will just follow us.
I feel like as the current system goes, it'll mark you as in combat and take away the option to open doors... I really hope that's not true, but that's what I'm thinking
That is what I am worrying about as well..
Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.0