I finnaly finished Cadwells gold. "Spoilers"

like1tiger

So I finaly got around to finishing the quests for Cadwells gold. I had completed Silver a long time ago. I picked up my VR 13 who was halfway to VR 14 and picked up from where I left of in Deshan (Im in Daggerfall Covenant)
I brought up a list of the quests I needed and I just targeted those ones for completion.
I really enjoyed the story in most of the zones it took me a couple of days and there was even a few challenges My Biggest Gripe is that the XP is still very low on these quests. Even the End of zone quests and there bosses only give 17k xp.

I got to the final quest Stomping Sinmur and I hit VR14 just before I Battled Sinmur so all up I got 550k xp in basically 4 zones of Cadwells Gold.

I really enjoyed the End fight with Sinmur and it actually took me sometime to beat him as he has 162k health and the NPCs that are there to help just spend most of the time staring at you. ( I'm looking at you Skald-King) but I was quite shocked when I finally got him down and I got a whole 700xp for killing him.
Haha I got 250xp more for opening the chest hidden just behind the cliff that seems a bit crazy im pretty sure PvE xp needs to be looked at specially in these Epic quests and main story lines.

Overall I probably wont do it again as I have seen the story now and although I enjoyed the play through there really isn't a reward at all for finishing. No master/legendary weapon or anything exciting and its really not worth your time XP wise so other then the Achievement there is no point in completing this on other characters and I have 2 other VR toons But at least I have finally finished it.

Blud

Grats, dude.

Experience and items are legendary trolling. Cadwell's is legendary trolling. That's all the legendary you get from it.

If you level alts though it, you will rush as quickly as possible just to put it behind you.

XP does need to be looked at. Maybe it will all become clear when the Champion System goes live.

dharbert

Zenimax has completely screwed up the XP. And for those who haven't completed it yet, the reward for completing Cadwell's Gold (like 99% of quest items) you will instantly trash or vendor. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are simply not worth the time it takes to complete them. The only reason I even completed Silver was to get access to Gold so I can get the skyshards.

Rydik

Seems like this Xp numbers was calculated for champ system, not for Vet levels, 1 time things like zones main quests etc gives normal amount of xp, grindable things like mobs etc give very little, because, I suppose, 1 champ point needs around 100k xp (when they make xp instead vp, they say that they want player to spend around 15 hours on 1 vet level and they make 1,5M xp for 1 vet level than lower it to 1M, about champ system they say that around 1 hour is needed for 1 point -> 1 champ point = 100k xp). That's why they can't allow such grindable things like mobs, bosses etc give too much xp, players will obtain champ points too fast just by grinding crap mobs(looks like they don't want such mindless gameplay). Yup, VR levels obtaining slower because of this numbers, but when CS arrives, CS points obtaining time will be emm... "optimal" I think, or maybe not. This is just my interpretation of xp situation.

like1tiger

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dharbert wrote: »

Zenimax has completely screwed up the XP. And for those who haven't completed it yet, the reward for completing Cadwell's Gold (like 99% of quest items) you will instantly trash or vendor. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are simply not worth the time it takes to complete them. The only reason I even completed Silver was to get access to Gold so I can get the skyshards.

Same here I have unlocked Gold on 3 toons but had never completed it until last night.

Morticide828

The fact that Cadwell (John Cleese) rewarded me with two uninspiring lines of dialog, really rubbed me up the wrong way.

Items, couldn't care less. But the fact that there was only TWO sentences, was quite disappointing to say the least.

Won't bother again.

MissBizz

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

RSram

I agree, I finally completed Gold with my first toon, and expected a lot more. I didn't get a costume, like I did when I reached VR1, I didn't get any skill points, and the only reward was a necklace, and 4400 XP, not much for the amount of time it took.

drschplatt

Yeah from what I understand, finishing the Gold quest is basically pointless as you get nothing from it except and achievement. I wouldn't do Silver again except you need it in order to unlock the Gold zones and their skyshards/skill points.

zaria

dharbert wrote: »

Zenimax has completely screwed up the XP. And for those who haven't completed it yet, the reward for completing Cadwell's Gold (like 99% of quest items) you will instantly trash or vendor. Cadwell's Silver and Gold are simply not worth the time it takes to complete them. The only reason I even completed Silver was to get access to Gold so I can get the skyshards.

In VR you can just as well craft an set every two levels, obviously this make any quest reward trash outside of jewelry trash and if you do some dungeons you are likely to get better here too.

Agree about the XP it was decent before the update.

Sindala

I'd add my comments about this backward mess of an XP system but i'd end up getting banned again.....

All I can hope is that come the Justice system I can put more than an arrow through Cadwell's knee.......

Enkil

Caldwell's is such an abomination to the entire premise of the game. I hope they eliminate it over time.

It's especially problematic when you have multiple characters. No one wants to go through all that B$ multiple times.

I hope they finish overhauling veteran system and make it so that once you have been through it all on one character, it applies to all of your characters (as they implied would be the case before launch)!!!

Sindala

I actually have to thank Zenimax for Cadwell's Silver and Gold.
Yes really....
...see because I refuse to do it as it breaks all rules I have with my char I had plenty of time on my hands as there's nothing else to do ingame at VR1 for a solo assassin type char (yes I play alone and hide in shadows)
So I booted up the old SWtoR game and bought a Tatooine stronghold. Spent about 4 weeks so far getting it to look lush with all the addons and furniture ect.

If only ESO had this sort of time sink.......

Can't wait for Witcher 3 in February, finally an over 18's game where there is blood when I chop somebodies head off...or send a magpie thru a baddies guts. Maybe by the time i'm done with those 2 ESO mite have something in it to draw me back but i'm not holding my breath

Esha76

I like the PvE content of this game, but after listening to all the dialogue once, I just skip through everything now. Except certain characters like Naryu, Raz, and Irrai... they never got old no matter how many times you re-encounter them.

I have finished gold on 4 characters, and silver on 2 more. I just like the game, the content, and the environments, so I don't mind. But all that being said, the end of Gold is so anti-climatic and a massive let down. Cleese only having two lines, and the joke of a reward... borderline insulting.

I craft the hell out of my characters, so I could care less about some powerful item. I would have much preferred some unique cosmetic item like a pet, costume, maybe even a mount. You find Cadwell's Hovel in Coldharbor, and his mount Honor is there. Maybe that thing as pet... anything other than two useless neck pieces. I don't think it even unlocks a dye color...

This topic comes up at least once a month... it would be nice if ZOS would do something. I recall GW2 recognized it really screwed it's players at the end of that game, and after a short wile they added special weapon token upon story completion, and it was retro-active. This would just be decent of ZOS to do.

like1tiger

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AngryNord

I Guess I'm weird... I actually (mostly) enjoyed Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold...

AngryNord

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AFAIK you needed more than 1 mill vp per Level before the vp to xp change, and I pretty much always hit the NeXT VR rank about 3/4 into the zone... Of course that includes doing side quests, dolmens, world bosses, anchors etc

zaria

AngryNord wrote: »

I Guess I'm weird... I actually (mostly) enjoyed Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold...

Me to, I disliked the start of silver, that is up to shadowfern on AD, but afterward it was fun. Liked the DC zone overall.
Yes after doing 3 alts I understand people get bored.

zaria

AngryNord wrote: »

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AFAIK you needed more than 1 mill vp per Level before the vp to xp change, and I pretty much always hit the NeXT VR rank about 3/4 into the zone... Of course that includes doing side quests, dolmens, world bosses, anchors etc

One change in leveling is that levels was exponential so from VR1 to 2 it was less than 500k xp, they changed it to one million, however at higher levels you gain by this as the xp requirements is still one million so its not as bad as it look even if it hit low level veterans hard.

like1tiger

AngryNord wrote: »

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AFAIK you needed more than 1 mill vp per Level before the vp to xp change, and I pretty much always hit the NeXT VR rank about 3/4 into the zone... Of course that includes doing side quests, dolmens, world bosses, anchors etc

Ah but to quote from a old green post

ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno admin

4:35AM Staff Post

Completing the requirements of Cadwell's Silver/Gold should be enough to get you at least a Veteran Level or pretty close to one before moving on to the next zone. Everything else in said zone should be a bonus.The part you bolded will be addressed in our next patch.
Gina Bruno

we can all agree its nowhere near this no matter what your VR level

Rosveen

I completed Cadwell's Silver and all I got is this stupid necklace.

Between Deshaan and Riften, that is exactly the same four zones you're talking about, I gained approximately 1.3 mln exp. This included some unrelated quests I picked up in the area of main Silver quests because why not if I'm already there, a handful of delves, anchors and world bosses (literally a handful. I cleared them in all zones except the Rift earlier) and some misc exp like exploration.

I don't believe it was ever intended to reach VR5/10 just from main Silver/Gold objectives. It's nowhere near enough exp, it wasn't even before VP->EXP transition.

like1tiger wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AFAIK you needed more than 1 mill vp per Level before the vp to xp change, and I pretty much always hit the NeXT VR rank about 3/4 into the zone... Of course that includes doing side quests, dolmens, world bosses, anchors etc

Ah but to quote from a old green post

ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno admin

4:35AM Staff Post

Completing the requirements of Cadwell's Silver/Gold should be enough to get you at least a Veteran Level or pretty close to one before moving on to the next zone. Everything else in said zone should be a bonus.The part you bolded will be addressed in our next patch.
Gina Bruno

we can all agree its nowhere near this no matter what your VR level

You misunderstood. The "completing the requirements..." thing was written by WraithAzraiel in a longer post, which Gina then quoted and refered to its bolded part. The thing is, there were two bolded parts. I believe she meant the first one: "But did they fix the erroneous cap that was placed on quest XP resulting in people needing to complete 2 zones to achieve 1 Veteran Rank?"
Which they did fix later.

Ashtaris

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

I don't know what you are doing wrong but my level progression has been about one VR level per zone, even after the XP nerf. I suppose if I avoided every mob in the zone and just fast tracked the quests then it would be as you say.

OrangeTheCat

Blud wrote: »

Grats, dude.

Experience and items are legendary trolling. Cadwell's is legendary trolling. That's all the legendary you get from it.

If you level alts though it, you will rush as quickly as possible just to put it behind you.

XP does need to be looked at. Maybe it will all become clear when the Champion System goes live.

Yeah, we are in this bizzaro 'tween world: not quite VR, not quite CS. All of which was created by ZOS' poor choices (some would say failure to listen to the community which for the most part I think knew VR was a bad idea). Ignoring the players who will defend this game no matter what, I've come to the conclusion that if you already have a VR14 and are trying to level an alt through VR, just don't; wait for CS. That's what I do. Considering the poor state of pvp I only log in to feed my newest horse and do a couple crafting writs.

Darkrogue671

TES has never been good at their endings. Never. In fact, it's the only thing game-wise that TESO has been true to form in comparison to the previous single player games. Especially in Cyrodil & Skyrim.. it was like being in an abusive relationship. Work you butt off to save the world and all you get is a lousy T-shirt and the guards in towns giving you threats and grief. Why would TESO be any different?

Artemiisia

Gratz mate, Im thinking of doing it again, just a sucker for pve quests

RSram

AngryNord wrote: »

like1tiger wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I believe you were also higher than the intended level, so you only get a percentage of the xp that you would have received otherise . I went direct to the silver zone and find I gain just over a level per area... Which makes sense as then I match the mobs there.

Do u finish every quest in every area to gain that full level? I can not believe this to be true as on my VR1 character I have finished the first 2 areas just doing the Cadwells silver quests and I have not gained a level yet so im calling BS on the one level per area. ( You need 1 mill per level and u barely get 200k from just doing the quests listed in each map)

AFAIK you needed more than 1 mill vp per Level before the vp to xp change, and I pretty much always hit the NeXT VR rank about 3/4 into the zone... Of course that includes doing side quests, dolmens, world bosses, anchors etc

I got to VR14 just before completing Cadwells Gold, but I did every quest, dolmens, WB's, Anchors, and the public dungeons before moving on to the next zone. I also did five group dungeons.

I killed everything that I could kill from one side of the zone to the other. I also searched for every treasure chest, and every achievement that I could find such as A bandit's Heart, Golden Palms, Keeper of the flame, Local Explorer, M'aiq the Lair, and killed every public dungeon boss.

I created my character in June and it took me about 6 months (568 hours game time) to reach VR14. It was a really long grinding road that I don't plan on doing again.

NordJitsu

Ya your XP gets nerfed if you're over-leveled. Which is even more of a disincentive to do it.

The only reason to do it is for the skill points from the sky-shards/main zone quests (which I believe is 4 skill points from quests per zone.)

1ne2woBe

lmao!! I sooo thought I'd get something awesome after completing Cadwell's Gold too. Oh well.... LOL