Champion system - How will you tell chars level?

Tomg999

Dumb question on the Champion system. How will we be able to tell the "level" of characters and mobs that we encounter? Currently if you are, say, VR2, you can quickly tell if you are in an area or situation full of VR11's and perhaps should go elsewhere. Will everything look like a level 50, and the only way to find out the amount of challenge is to die 5 times?

Rook_Master

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

The 'Special Snowflake' Guilds at the Guild Summit have spoken, and this is how it shall be.

zaria

Any quotes of this? Sounds extremely weird.

Nestor

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

The 'Special Snowflake' Guilds at the Guild Summit have spoken, and this is how it shall be.

This sounds more like a wet dream of an elitist than anything someone sane and reasonable would put into the game.

But, if they want even less people using the LFG Tool, then they can implement this. The rest of us will Pug up and have fun.

Mettaricana

that sounds horrible like the exact item level BS that made me quit tera and DCUO and like 9 other mmo's because players would boot you for not already having the gear you get from the dungeon you were trying to run to get the same gear they booted you for not having. and if they base anything off of gear level then it'll be hunted gearsets only since crafted blow in comparison

zaria

Nestor wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

The 'Special Snowflake' Guilds at the Guild Summit have spoken, and this is how it shall be.

This sounds more like a wet dream of an elitist than anything someone sane and reasonable would put into the game.

But, if they want even less people using the LFG Tool, then they can implement this. The rest of us will Pug up and have fun.

This, tempted to call the troll flag here if not OP is trying to joke.

champion level will probably be public information, see no reason to keep it hidden, pretty much like veteran points today, might also be used for scaling high end content like veteran points do today. You also know that an player with few champion points has not played so much.

Inspect gear they don't even have armor preview of items for crafting or buying.
Gear level, have fun then its mostly about sets. Gear level in WOW was just an sort of lower limit on doing random dungeons where you grouped with random people, mostly to stop people going from questing directly to heroic dungeons.
and yes it was easy to get past it, gear did not have to make sense just be high quality.

ers101284b14_ESO

He was making a joke. And it was hilarious.

Rook_Master

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

He was making a joke. And it was hilarious.

This guy gets it.

Although I'm a little concerned now that some people can't see the satire.

Bloodfang

Veteran Levels will stay till phase 4.
At phase 4 I'm expecting them to be replaced by champion levels (based on how many points you put in)

Nestor

Rook_Master wrote: »

Although I'm a little concerned now that some people can't see the satire.

I kind of thought you were, but you would be surprised at how many people would be just ecstatic over something like what you described.

Ommamar

I have heard nothing on this but it is a good question. I am hoping that if they do base it off showing how many champion points you have that it won't show how those points are distributed. That you will actually have to play with the person to understand the capabilities that they have. But you know I am just a special snowflake, which is apparently a bad thing.

Rook_Master

Ommamar wrote: »

I have heard nothing on this but it is a good question. ... But you know I am just a special snowflake, which is apparently a bad thing.

Ah ok, well next time you have your special meeting with the devs, or are just chatting with them on the phone, can you let them know how people feel about this then?

Thanks

zaria

Rook_Master wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

He was making a joke. And it was hilarious.

This guy gets it.

Although I'm a little concerned now that some people can't see the satire.

Had the feeling, however with the amount of weird posts on this forum its kind of hard to know,
Plenty who is far weirder and very serious.

Audigy

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

The 'Special Snowflake' Guilds at the Guild Summit have spoken, and this is how it shall be.

That would be the downfall of ESO; I would never want to play such an elitist game.

AlexDougherty

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

I hope you are wrong about that, I really really hope you are wrong.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

Oh god, there goes the neighbourhood, this is everything the elitists dream about, autoexclusion should NEVER be an option.

firstdecan

Despair9 wrote: »

Veteran Levels will stay till phase 4.
At phase 4 I'm expecting them to be replaced by champion levels (based on how many points you put in)

Do your expectations carry weight with the ZOS devs, or should we wait for a more official response?

firstdecan

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

I hope you are wrong about that, I really really hope you are wrong.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

Oh god, there goes the neighbourhood, this is everything the elitists dream about, autoexclusion should NEVER be an option.

His post was sarcasm, please read the last line again (the 'special snowflakes' have spoken....).

Voodoo

wow I cant believe the gullibility of this thread. ....FIRST REPLY WAS JOKING!! (Saracsm).

Back on topic. I wonder how you do tell strength of mobs/depth of CP acquisition?

Audigy

Voodoo wrote: »

wow I cant believe the gullibility of this thread. ....FIRST REPLY WAS JOKING!! (Saracsm).

Back on topic. I wonder how you do tell strength of mobs/depth of CP acquisition?

I actually wonder how they keep the balanced between a Char having many CP and going into new released content and someone having no CP and just starting out.

WS had big issues there and I believe they are still not fixed.

Nestor

Voodoo wrote: »

Back on topic. I wonder how you do tell strength of mobs/depth of CP acquisition?

Your given a level on the mobs now, perhaps Health points would be the best way to indicate level for the future. Then again, we have VR2 mobs that have a 1000 points, 2000 points, 3000 points, 5000 points and 10,000 points not including bosses.

As for character ranks, those tell you nothing either. What if the character is currently a VR8 who is maxed on all the crafts? They are not going to have the combat prowess of a character who spends their points on the combat skills mostly.

And, people can grind up levels in non game successful ways (zombies, wolves and tigers are squishy kill them in your sleep mobs even if your unskilled in the game) so what level or number of champion points that they have, or even what gear they have on is no indication if they are any good.

The only way to know about another player is to spend time with them until you know them. Or battle them to see who hands who's head to the other.

mandragor1996

Imagine the group looking for more chats after this. It will be a paragraph long about how many champion points required, what passives selected, what you ate for lunch, who sired you, under what moon you were born, whether you love elves or not (silly tree huggers).

Cuyler

I read somewhere the devs were throwing around the idea of a "player score" in which the computer would tally a scale of points based on your level, the gear you had, and the amount of CPs. Then spit back a relative number.

For example
VR14 with all legendary and 2100 CPs = player score 100
VR14 with all Legendary and 1500 CPS = player score 95
VR5 = player score 75
VR1 = player score 50
so on and so forth down the line.

I believe this idea was turned down for another system however. can't find the resource.

Edit: gramma

Qyrk

I guess people need to lighten up. First post is full of sarcasm. Either people need to go and take a sarcasm 101 class or not worry about every single post in this forum. Lighten up.

Voodoo

I may be imaganing or did I read somewhere? That mobs will be red/orange/yellow/green based on your current CP collection? or maybe they add a icon to the mob that tells you its strength level?

NadiusMaximus

No more levels, Judge on ability. Awesome.

AlexDougherty

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

The 'Special Snowflake' Guilds at the Guild Summit have spoken, and this is how it shall be.

firstdecan wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

There will be a new "Inspect" feature, so that you can examine character Champion levels, as well as their Gear.

I hope you are wrong about that, I really really hope you are wrong.

There are also new functions being added to the LUA to allow for the calculation of Gear Scores, and the comparison of e-peens.

There is not enough fear and dread involved in the grouping process. To fix this, there will be auto-exclusion features built into LFG and the Party menu to exclude people under certain gear scores and champion levels. This is part of a broader re-design of game systems to make ESO more hardcore.

Oh god, there goes the neighbourhood, this is everything the elitists dream about, autoexclusion should NEVER be an option.

His post was sarcasm, please read the last line again (the 'special snowflakes' have spoken....).

Sorry, I miss sarcasm nine times out of eight.
I think I need to enrol in sarcasm school or something, I really do miss it most times.

killedbyping

Tomg999 wrote: »

Dumb question on the Champion system. How will we be able to tell the "level" of characters and mobs that we encounter? Currently if you are, say, VR2, you can quickly tell if you are in an area or situation full of VR11's and perhaps should go elsewhere. Will everything look like a level 50, and the only way to find out the amount of challenge is to die 5 times?

Actualy, Road ahead only stated that they are going to implement Champion points. Thats it. No plans to remove VR ranks at this point. Atleast not officially confirmed.

dharbert

killedbyping wrote: »

Tomg999 wrote: »

Dumb question on the Champion system. How will we be able to tell the "level" of characters and mobs that we encounter? Currently if you are, say, VR2, you can quickly tell if you are in an area or situation full of VR11's and perhaps should go elsewhere. Will everything look like a level 50, and the only way to find out the amount of challenge is to die 5 times?

Actualy, Road ahead only stated that they are going to implement Champion points. Thats it. No plans to remove VR ranks at this point.

Yes, the plan is to completely remove veteran ranks, but it won't be with this next update. One or two more updates to go for complete removal of veteran levels.

Tomg999

So the assumption is that in 2 updates or so they will get rid of VR ranks, will probably have some way to identify the difficulty of mobs, bosses, and quests as yet unknown, and may or may not have some system to identify player chars either for grouping or PVP, correct? But nothing has been mentioned officially, I take it.

reften

By height

Bored_One

I hope the will be no public display of your champ levels. That's just an invitation for elitest ***. With the right equipment I hope anyone, regardless of champ points, will be able to complete content.