How does shadowy disguise work?

Wicked_Wolf

This is all in regards to PvE.

I always get knocked out of stealth with no clue why. I've been trying to see if I notice any consistent pattern as to what causes it, but I can't find any. It only happens in combat. Ill activate and then it just immediately knocks me out, regardless where I am positioned. It's not 100% of the time, but it is rather frequent.

What are the abilities that knock you out of stealth? I swear, sometimes I don't even get hit with anything and it happens.

Sylvyr

Most of these occurrences are due to stubbing your toe on a rock.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Certain DoT's will cause your invisibility to break. I know for sure that Path of Darkness and it's morphs will that's why I never bother having them on the same bar. Your best bet is to test out which dots are causing it to break and adjust your tactics accordingly.

Robocles

Or breathing. That breaks it, too.

reften

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Robocles

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

I don't really use it for the stealth, but for the automatic crit.

HeX7

It doesn't

ers101284b14_ESO

No one knows they just all agree its broken. Just like this plate

eventide03b14a_ESO

Why do people keep saying it's a mystery when I have already given you the reason. It's very simple. When you attack an enemy then it drops your invisibility. If an enemy walks into Path of Darkness after you have gone invis then you will break invis, if your arrow hits your target after you go invis then you break invis. There is no mystery to it. Of course I think it should be fixed, there is no reason one class ability should completely make another class ability not function properly.

OrangeTheCat

"How does shadowy disguise work?"

A: Not very well.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Any attack breaks stealth, as it should.

It's a crit enhancer done right and you can sneak past anything you do not disturb. In combat it works to escape but any interaction at all breaks it. You can cloak anytime you have the magic but it's only useful, in combat, to escape or to get another high crit attack.

Wicked_Wolf

See that's the thing; I get why an attack breaks it. That's fine as I just want the boost on said attack. My issue is that I don't even get the boost because the stealth breaks before I even have the chance to attack. It's immediate; I hit stealth, he goes invisible for a split second and comes right out. I haven't attacked yet or have any DoTs on me. Also, I don't use path of darkness.

AaronMB

Casting it will usually break it pretty good.

It's bugged, Wolf. Zeni knows this, has known this, and has edited countless pages of threads on this. We know not why they ignore it but the going theory is that they simply don't know how to fix it (or the devs hate NBs). lol

eventide03b14a_ESO

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Any attack breaks stealth, as it should.

It's a crit enhancer done right and you can sneak past anything you do not disturb. In combat it works to escape but any interaction at all breaks it. You can cloak anytime you have the magic but it's only useful, in combat, to escape or to get another high crit attack.

I agree that attacks should break stealth, I do not agree that if you cast a Path that it should prohibit you from using invisibility until it expires.

reften

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Any attack breaks stealth, as it should.

Think about this though. Yes, you go invisible, and then click the light attack before timer runs out, agreed, you become visible. Would be too op.

But I'm saying, you finish your heavy attack with a bow, and THEN hit stealth. Your stealth breaks after your arrow hits the target. Slightly different. This was a stealth nerf a while back that made using a bow in PvE worthless...until the snipe changes.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

If I am attacking from stealth I want the biggest bang for my 80% crit chance, well 100% with everything else on. I use something strong, then switch to weaving Light/Heavy with a useful instant attack, Poison Arrow usually, for a Bow. As long as Snipe works with the stealthed crit I'm OK with how it works.

AlexDougherty

There is a list of things that Break Shadow cloak on the class skills forums.

1. Any Skill being used
2. Any Attack being used
3. Coming into range of NPCs
4. Anti-stealth skills/effects
5. Bad Luck (Apparently)

OrangeTheCat

The other day I was fighting draghr (or whatever those undead are called). I would stealth, put on cloak to get behind one of them, and one shot one of them. Then cloak, get behind another, and do big damage (not one shot) another. And so on.

After moving to the next group of three draghr, I'd do the exact same thing. But this time, after the initial one shot, cloak would break every time I tried to use it.

As far as I could tell the second group of draghr were using the same set of abilities as the first. Nothing unusual about it. Just that cloak would not stay on.

So you tell me. WTF?

Sylvyr

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Any attack breaks stealth, as it should.

It's a crit enhancer done right and you can sneak past anything you do not disturb. In combat it works to escape but any interaction at all breaks it. You can cloak anytime you have the magic but it's only useful, in combat, to escape or to get another high crit attack.

I agree that attacks should break stealth, I do not agree that if you cast a Path that it should prohibit you from using invisibility until it expires.

I agree with your disagreement. You drop a dot like path it's done, you should then be able to go invis - you are not channeling or actively doing anything after it's cast. These things should not break stealth!

eventide03b14a_ESO

Sylvyr wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

oren74 wrote: »

It is a mystery. One thing I noticed was with a bow...if you do a heavy attack, and immediately hit dark cloak...as soon as your arrow hits, you break stealth.

Otherwise, yeah, it's a mystery. I have dark cloak that removes DoTs, and I can spam the hell out of it, supposedly removing DotS each time I hit it, so you'd think after 2 or 3 times all DoTs would be gone? nope, continue to unstealth and get killed.

Not familiar with Shadowy Disguise as I haven't used that morph in a long time though to be honest.

Any attack breaks stealth, as it should.

It's a crit enhancer done right and you can sneak past anything you do not disturb. In combat it works to escape but any interaction at all breaks it. You can cloak anytime you have the magic but it's only useful, in combat, to escape or to get another high crit attack.

I agree that attacks should break stealth, I do not agree that if you cast a Path that it should prohibit you from using invisibility until it expires.

I agree with your disagreement. You drop a dot like path it's done, you should then be able to go invis - you are not channeling or actively doing anything after it's cast. These things should not break stealth!

Especially since you have no control over it. Once you cast it the path lasts 11 seconds and you can't cancel it early. That's a long time to not be able to use invis which is why I don't keep them on the same bar. You can't use them together which is just silly.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

If more than one attack is coming at you, and you make that dodge motion and it says "miss" (when using FTC), you will still be taken out of stealth. It's like the servers cannot handle so much happening at once so it just says F' it and takes you out of stealth because it can't handle the numbers lol.

kijima

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

No one knows they just all agree its broken. Just like this plate

If I could nominate you for post of the year @ers101284b14_ESO‌ I would.

I was at work when I read that, burst out laughing and now everyone wants to see my screen to see what is so funny... which I can't do... as I'm supposed to be working.

Well played sir, well played.

ers101284b14_ESO

kijima wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

No one knows they just all agree its broken. Just like this plate

If I could nominate you for post of the year @ers101284b14_ESO‌ I would.

I was at work when I read that, burst out laughing and now everyone wants to see my screen to see what is so funny... which I can't do... as I'm supposed to be working.

Well played sir, well played.

I know its sarcastic and I feel bad for Nightblades, I really do. But I have seen tons of posts arguing over how it should work that it seems like everyone agrees its broken but no one actually knows how it's supposed to work in the first place. Zos should make the tool tip more understandable if its that hard to figure out though so I guess I can give them criticism for that.

Edit: Glad I made someone laugh. I know all those LOL's I have aren't all because of my amazing humor.

hammer_fella

Eight months later and the skill still makes no sense to me. I've learned to work around its unreliability, but that's not to say I understand how it really functions.

Sometimes I cast Cloak twice and the enemy I'm fighting abruptly disengages and resets; all the damage I've done for nothing.

On other occasions I might spam the ability 15-20 times and still be unable to leave combat, even after running a half mile down the road, and even if I haven't actually attacked the enemy or been damaged myself.