Should there be Ethics in PvP ?

Roechacca

I see a lot of people get mad when things don't go their way and start demanding a ability be removed or make a plea of sorts for people to not use said abilities . This comes down to what players consider "fair play" . I know the definitions of fair play vary and diversify more then any other moral guidelines ever written .

So ... Do you think there's an unwritten code of fair play in pvp ?

When the other kids don't play nice do you run to another team ?

Or get mad and just leave a game ?


How many actually tough it out and wait for the game designers to make a judgment call and the final determining fix ?

kijima

Just writing a thread about this now.

Artis

I don't think there is, but I think there should be one.

KBKB

I never use exploits* A. because its a bad's crutch B. because its poor sportsmanship I grew up playing sport and now play cards into my adult years and there is nothing worse than a cheat, says a lot about the person too.

ZOS are the ones to blame for the lack of ban hammering and allowing so much *** through on this clearly beta version of the game (funny because beta was more stable and arguably had less issues).

* I did use broken silver shards because I loathe vamps and they had been WTF#!2@OPEXPLOITING since release at the time shards was made the most enjoyable skill in ESO.

Blockz888

Players vs Players is an offensive role of gaming? Its only natural that people are going to rage when there ignorance gets the better of them and discover they not that strong. Do they think when they see the lush fields and pretty trees thats what Cyrodiil is all about? "Do you want a flower?" Enemy : "Sure" (Enemy kills naive idiot.)

ToRelax

Don't just farm AP without helping your faction.

Don't participate in emp trading.

Don't exploit bugs intentionally (heal debuff stacking, unbreakable cc, vamp feeding... Resto heavy attacks, the use of lethal arrow at all etc. would have been used without it being bugged as well. No need to handicap yourself).

Don't intentionally lag or crash the server.

Roechacca

I think there should be one unwritten rule . Loyalty to your friends . When you break that people don't like you anymore . I started here in Beta and was in pre order with the notion that playing DC would be brutal and outnumbered all the time . My friends that couldn't take the constant pounding just went to another MMO . That's better then jumping teams . I still jump in other games to help them out . Some of them I've been friends with for over 10 years . So yes , I'm gonna say loyalty is important . A long time ago I use to think it didn't matter . I know now nothing is further from the truth .

OrangeTheCat

"Abuse it and lose it".

Yolokin_Swagonborn

NO

"Ethics" just devolves into "you managed to beat me" therefore you are a dirty cheater/hacker/exploiter/molag bal worshiper.

I am sick of reading everyone's crackbrained interpretations of what they personally consider honorable or exploiting or whatever

Morality makes stupid.

MagnusRex

Yes, don't use exploits/bugs as most important one
example: heal debuff stacking.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

MagnusRex wrote: »

Yes, don't use exploits/bugs as most important one
example: heal debuff stacking.

If you define "exploit" as "any effect that ZOS didn't intend" than about 95% of this game is an exploit.

eventide03b14a_ESO

I think anyone who is caught using an exploit intentionally should be punished accordingly. With that said, it's not up to the players to decide how an ability should be used. It's up to the developers to fix the ability. More importantly it's up to them to test it thoroughly before it's live. All these rants and raging against people who use them are misdirected. We should demand a better product so that these are not abused to begin with.

Columba

KBKB wrote: »

I never use exploits* A. because its a bad's crutch B. because its poor sportsmanship I grew up playing sport and now play cards into my adult years and there is nothing worse than a cheat, says a lot about the person too.

ZOS are the ones to blame for the lack of ban hammering and allowing so much *** through on this clearly beta version of the game (funny because beta was more stable and arguably had less issues).

* I did use broken silver shards because I loathe vamps and they had been WTF#!2@OPEXPLOITING since release at the time shards was made the most enjoyable skill in ESO.

I agree although i reslotted something else when Silver Shards were bugged. Just felt too slimy to be one shotting vamps.

Thudunblundur

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

NO

"Ethics" just devolves into "you managed to beat me" therefore you are a dirty cheater/hacker/exploiter/molag bal worshiper.

I am sick of reading everyone's crackbrained interpretations of what they personally consider honorable or exploiting or whatever

Morality makes stupid.

Not necessarily. I am happy to acknowledge that there are many better players out there and I enjoy testing myself against them.

But if you have ever wondered whether other people might consider something you could do as an exploit or cheating then you are aware of an ethical choice. Some are not - they just consider themselves and will macro, exploit and cheat in any way they can without a qualm. And that is the way to turn a game in to something very unpleasant. What if I'm a genius virus writer and could infect your games so that I was unbeatable. Would that make me a great player? There's no way I could do that. I like to look in the mirror with some self-respect.

I've played sport at a decent level, later board games and tabletop wargames with friends and Clubmates. I know how sportsmen feel about people like Lance Armstrong. Do you want to be thought of like him?

kijima

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I think anyone who is caught using an exploit intentionally should be punished accordingly. With that said, it's not up to the players to decide how an ability should be used. It's up to the developers to fix the ability. More importantly it's up to them to test it thoroughly before it's live. All these rants and raging against people who use them are misdirected. We should demand a better product so that these are not abused to begin with.

3/4's of the population in Cyrodiil, you know, the ones that are using Bow that fire off snipe more than once on the same target, should all the be punished accordingly then? It's an exploit after all.

Just wondering how that would go down in your world

Evergnar

I don't think it's so much about "fair play" as it is about balance. Sure you'll always have those builds or abilities that are the best but what makes good, balanced game play is keeping that gap between best and the rest as small as possible.

All is fair in love and war as they say.

Junipus

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I think anyone who is caught using an exploit intentionally should be punished accordingly. With that said, it's not up to the players to decide how an ability should be used. It's up to the developers to fix the ability. More importantly it's up to them to test it thoroughly before it's live. All these rants and raging against people who use them are misdirected. We should demand a better product so that these are not abused to begin with.

Exploit is a subjective term. Also, trying to determine if someone is doing something intentional is very difficult as anyone who remembers the speed bug can attest to.

Most "exploits" are people simply using an ability (broken or otherwise) that people can't or won't counter. Others are purely ***-ups from ZOS which they can't or won't fix.

Asking players to not use abilities purely because they're broken is asking everyone to change how they play because of ZOS' incompetence. Resto heavy attacks for example are a staple for any player and the most effective way of hitting DKs or getting magicka return. Asking everyone to stop using it because of its broken side effect while ZOS ignore the issue is impractical.

At least those who duel have the luxury of ensuring everyone involved sticks to certain rules that bypass any broken abilities.

Cody

anyone that willingly cheats is garbage. idc if you believe in morality or not. if you cheat, YOU ARE GARBAGE.

that is all there is to it.

here's hoping the ridiculous heal de-buff stacking gets fixed soon!:) i myself refuse to use snipe until it is fixed. i can live off of funnel health and maybe caltrops until then:)

NotSo

I remember when taking advantage of a particular unintended game mechanic was considered exploiting and was a ban-able offense.
Anyways, no more blockcasting please!

Roechacca

What's block casting ?

Kypho

Ethics? like noone should use nuclear bomb?

Agrippa_Invisus

roechacca wrote: »

What's block casting ?

Holding block and casting whatever you want as you do so. Essentially making you un-CCable while you spam Impulse or Talons or Elemental Wall. So on.

kewl

Exploiters should not be tolerated. (Exploits as defined by ZOS, for all you Bill Clinton's out there.)

AP Farmers, tebaggers, block casters, perma stunners, Impulse spammers and the rest....have at it.

Cody

roechacca wrote: »

What's block casting ?

using abilties while blocking. its what most of the community does, and is a bit lame in my opinion

FluffiestOne

lol morals and ethics. i lulz

Zed

As long as everyone's a good sport, then I'm more or less fine with whatever else happens.

ToRelax

It's about ethics and sportsmanship from a real life perspective and has nothing to do with any morality your character could have. There does not have to be any respect between the characters of the different factions, but between their players. Seems people are already running from a discussion when the word "ethics" appears, sad...