What's the point of the swim speed argonian racial?

Auber

Most water in the game is lethal. Why are slaughterfish in the game again? I just don't see the point in swimming faster when entering any body of water has a huge chance of getting me killed instantly.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

ers101284b14_ESO

Cause sometimes it sucks that you go out too far and can't swim out of danger fast enough.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Cause sometimes it sucks that you go out too far and can't swim out of danger fast enough.

They have not got me in a long time. Just do a 180 right away, maybe pop a potion if you are slow but really it's not hard to get away from them.

hammer_fella

Auber wrote: »

Most water in the game is lethal.

Excuse me? Outside of Cyrodiil I'm not aware of any water being lethal (except of course once you reach the boundaries of the zone, but c'mon...)

Aside from the potion improvement, the passive is also useful to escape into water quickly as enemies can't follow you, or simply using water to travel since it's about as fast as sprinting without any stam cost. But if you're worried about min maxing it might not be the race for you.

Wreuntzylla

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Jitterbug

Nerf Argonian swim speed! (and mudcrabs)

Rodario

Same point as nightelf wisp form in WoW, I guess.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Huh? I am building a potion guzzling NB, so I need him to be Argonian for just those passives.

I have a full suite of maxed out crafters. Potions are ridiculously easy to make scads of.

This guy is my experiment with extreme numbers on a Night Blade. The final aim of this exercise is a minimal, possibly no, cool down, enhanced potion spamming monster.

hammer_fella

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Huh? I am building a potion guzzling NB, so I need him to be Argonian for just those passives.

I have a full suite of maxed out crafters. Potions are ridiculously easy to make scads of.

This guy is my experiment with extreme numbers on a Night Blade. The final aim of this exercise is a minimal, possibly no, cool down, enhanced potion spamming monster.

I enjoyed this post. It's nice to see someone experimenting with unconventional builds to see what can be done, rather than simply complaining that light armor and staves are the only viable option because everyone else says so.

I think that would be a very fun build; I'd be interested how it works out for you.

Selique

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Have to disagree with you there. The potion increase combines well with NB and Alchemy Passives, and the healing passives are very useful in all combat situations (Increased healing from ALL sources? How is that bad?).

I LOVE the swim speed increase as well, because when I see water, I swim where I need to go. Faster than normal run, and costs 0 stamina. Argonians are like boats! Going by water is always safer too, since no MOBs can attack you in water. Beats the slow swim non-Argonians are stuck with.

Rosveen

Argonian + nightblade + Medicinal Use + potion speed jewelry. It's pretty nifty, you should try it.

Darlgon

/roleplay

Stroggnonimus

As argonian only player, when questing I always swim rather than use horse (if possible of course), since its actually faster, cost 0 stamina and mobs cant follow you. And most lakes in PVE zones are slaughterfish free, so dont swim to open ocean and you'll be fine. But since you cant dive, this ability looses half of its potential, in PVP especially,because argonians should be able to breathe underwater forever....

Samadhi

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Huh? I am building a potion guzzling NB, so I need him to be Argonian for just those passives.

I have a full suite of maxed out crafters. Potions are ridiculously easy to make scads of.

This guy is my experiment with extreme numbers on a Night Blade. The final aim of this exercise is a minimal, possibly no, cool down, enhanced potion spamming monster.

Not certain if you are intersted in PvP, but the player @xsorusb14_ESO‌ posted an interesting video of his Argonian Nightblade potion build in PvP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCS2ZmgtBAM

An Argonian Nightblade with a tri-stat potion is looking at nearly 1000 points Health/Stamina/Magicka returned every 15 seconds.

Couple that with the fact that the potion effectiveness passives also improve potion stats such as Spell Damage or Weapon Crit on potions, and you are looking at a build with a lot more potential for flexibility in combat than most.

It is a quite compelling build; almost wish my Nightblade character was Argonian rather than Bosmer.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Samadhi wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Huh? I am building a potion guzzling NB, so I need him to be Argonian for just those passives.

I have a full suite of maxed out crafters. Potions are ridiculously easy to make scads of.

This guy is my experiment with extreme numbers on a Night Blade. The final aim of this exercise is a minimal, possibly no, cool down, enhanced potion spamming monster.

Not certain if you are intersted in PvP, but the player @xsorusb14_ESO‌ posted an interesting video of his Argonian Nightblade potion build in PvP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCS2ZmgtBAM

An Argonian Nightblade with a tri-stat potion is looking at nearly 1000 points Health/Stamina/Magicka returned every 15 seconds.

Couple that with the fact that the potion effectiveness passives also improve potion stats such as Spell Damage or Weapon Crit on potions, and you are looking at a build with a lot more potential for flexibility in combat than most.

It is a quite compelling build; almost wish my Nightblade character was Argonian rather than Bosmer.

That's pretty cool. I have my Argonian at level 16 now and he is working well. My attack potion is already at almost 300 critical where a normal build it would be 200 for that potion. Coming along.

Teargrants

1st rule of Cyrodiil, don't swim in Cyrodiil. Lizard folk don't have to obey that rule. Their Dark Elf masters let them enjoy this small taste of freedom out of pitty and generosity.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Teargrants wrote: »

1st rule of Cyrodiil, don't swim in Cyrodiil. Lizard folk don't have to obey that rule. Their Dark Elf masters let them enjoy this small taste of freedom out of pitty and generosity.

That makes almost no sense, and the spelling is just bad, but if it makes your dusky self feel better about yourself, it's good.

Samadhi

Teargrants wrote: »

1st rule of Cyrodiil, don't swim in Cyrodiil. Lizard folk don't have to obey that rule. Their Dark Elf masters let them enjoy this small taste of freedom out of pitty and generosity.

Seem to recall someone posting back around launch that he or she had made it a hobby to get people chasing after his or her Argonian, then swim through a Slaughterfish infested river and let the pursuers be devoured.
Points for creative thinking.

Teargrants

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

That makes almost no sense, and the spelling is just bad, but if it makes your dusky self fell better about yourself, it's good.

Bro, do you even lore?

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Teargrants wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

That makes almost no sense, and the spelling is just bad, but if it makes your dusky self fell better about yourself, it's good.

Bro, do you even lore?

Oh yeah. Just killed a Dark Elf in Mournhold for oppressing our people.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

That makes almost no sense, and the spelling is just bad, but if it makes your dusky self fell better about yourself, it's good.

Bro, do you even lore?

Oh yeah. Just killed a Dark Elf in Mournhold for oppressing our people.

Sooo Classic.. Love it..

on a side note-

Dark Elves, Scummy Slavers.. Ughhh.. Kotaro hates Dark Elves..

B_lov3d

Love my argonian swim speed with manuevers on...great for farming the water plants :P

Teargrants

Hush hush, kind hearted Dunmer take better care of you lizard folk than those arrogant Altmer would. You know it's true!

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Teargrants wrote: »

Hush hush, kind hearted Dinner take better care of you lizard folk than those arrogant Altmer would. You know it's true!

You guys and Molag Bal:

"There are worse masters than I, far worse."

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Selique wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

The point of the passive is the 5%,10%,15% increase in potion effectiveness. That said I have the first Amphibious point on my new NB, and the increase in swim speed is large. You find yourself going by water if possible, which is perfect for an Argonian. If the speed increase keeps going up by 50% each time I will have a torpedo soon.

It doesn't. What you get for the first point is it.

Argonian passives are teh sux. Hmmm, 12% to magicka pool or... 15% increase in potion effect when it takes 2 hours to farm mats for 1-2 days worth of potions..

Swim speed is awesome.... I mean with all the water combat and all.

Have to disagree with you there. The potion increase combines well with NB and Alchemy Passives, and the healing passives are very useful in all combat situations (Increased healing from ALL sources? How is that bad?).

I LOVE the swim speed increase as well, because when I see water, I swim where I need to go. Faster than normal run, and costs 0 stamina. Argonians are like boats! Going by water is always safer too, since no MOBs can attack you in water. Beats the slow swim non-Argonians are stuck with.

Yeah, just looking at the Deshaan map as I plan this trip through it and I notice it's covered in rivers and lakes. Going to be a fun map as I will be swimming instead of riding wherever I can.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

The swim speed is just nice to have. Like others have said, I take water routes as often as possible, and often find treasure chests tucked away in places most people don't see if they aren't in the water. What Argonians really need is a unique swimming animation! See my post about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2h91t9/animation_request_unique_swimming_style_for/

My Argonian is an Alchemist Nightblade tank, taking advantage of not only the class, racial, and profession passives for potion effectiveness, but also class, armor, and racial (as well as set bonuses) passives for increasing healing received. The more I can squeeze out of a heal, the less Magicka my group's healer has to use on me and the more effective my numerous self-heals are. When I need them, potions become my 'oh crap' instant self-heal; in other words, my version of DK's Green Dragon's Blood, except it doesn't cost resources and with potion speed enchants, can guzzle them down pretty quickly (not spammable of course, but with how big the heals are from all my passives, it doesn't need to be). Argonians are really underrated imho

korwinthale

I'll never understand why they left underwater swimming and adventuring out of this game... I mean good grief it is so immersion breaking I want to swim through ancient ruins searching for treasure.... Imagine dungeons like Legend of zelda water puzzles mmmmmm