PVP Sorcerer VS Dragon Knight

Carter_DC

Since recent polls about class balance in PVP are for "whinners" and there's nothing OP with DK, i'd like to have some advices from my fellow Sorcerers as to how to kill the classic "Reflective Scales- Burning Talons - Lava Whip" Dragon Knight.

I'm not a real good PVP player, but 1vs1 against NB or Sorc, i got a 50% kill rate. Never killed (or even halved life) any DK though.

So aside of real life skills, what would be efficient builds/tactics to use, in order to at least have a chance against a DK in Cyrodiil.


(i'm not looking forward to the troll that's gonna follow this question, about "and what about templars", "DKs are not OP, you just don't know how to play", "just use BE to flee and stop complaining"... But it's gonna happend anyway... And usually i'll still find one usefull answer amongst out of topic posts )

yodased

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132983/sorc-vs-reflective-scales-spamming-dk

Thechemicals

Slowly, very slowly.

Valymer

Open with Velocious Curse, Structured Entropy. Streak through him (he will be holding block but it will take him a split second to turn around) then switch to resto staff and put up Hardened Ward, Rapid Regeneration and Healing Ward. Start spamming Mage's Wrath while keep Velocious Curse up as much as possible. When you get him to about 40% health use Soul Assault.

He will use GDB several times so it is all about making him use up his magicka before you die. Use resto heavy staff to get some magicka back if possible, although you will probably eat a Shielded Assault at some point while you are channeling it. Use potions whenever possible (tri-pot if you can) and try to watch your stamina, because if you have no stamina when the Talons/Standard combo comes and you are stuck in it, you are dead.

Armitas

^ That is dead on. I could only add a few minor pointers.

• Use torug's pact sword and board for the 2 set bonus of 8 spell damage. If you would like to use crystal shard you can use defensive posture to reflect the DK's reflect, essentially penetrating reflective scales while adding 35% damage to it.
• Lightning flood can be used to kill a perma blocking DK's stamina
• Don't manually cast shards, use procs only.
• Bolt out of talons don't roll out.
• Don't blow through your skills like you would on a trial boss. This is a resource fight. The DK knows you have a lot of magicka and will try to get you to waste it all on shields and blocks. If the DK is not attacking use L/H attacks while watching for invade. Make him waste his resources, don't let him waste yours.
  

TehMagnus

Thechemicals

There is another way to own DK as a sorc but requires some finesse and skill. I dont play a vr sorc but i observe the builds of a handful of players who kill me. The sorc that wrecked me 1v1 did an interesting series of attacks....

He used curse and mages fury to bypass my reflective scales
Then when i closed the gap he would use restraining prison and streak
Then he would charge me with crit rush before i could charge him. (Likely using surge with it).

What ended up happening is that the explosions from Curse/Restraining Prison/ Mages fury all proc about the same time he streak and crit rushed me. Was intense and well played build.

Many ways to beat dk.....just that most players are looking for something easy. Nobody ever says anything about the rookie Dk's that get steamrolled for months until they finally learn the gear structure and build to be an awesome DK.

s7732425ub17_ESO

If a DK has both reflective scales and Harness Magicka and battles a Resto/Destro/Bow Sorc, the Sorc *should* die 100% of the time.

Qolt

You may use Shattering Prison against DK. It works like Talons: even on cc-immune players, but it has hight mana cost (360 mana to me).

DK will try roll from Shattering Prison, but soon they will be out of stamina. They wearing light armor, so roll dodge cost is very high. And Shield Charge cost is rather high too.

Also you may try to use Whitestrake’s Retribution set. It gives you 1k shield, when your hp below 30%. This shield saved my life many times.

And this vid can give you some advices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMzUdCzamb0&list=UUigjv-ScYWT_N74d6sbOzig

Dracane

I'm a Sorcerer myself and DK's are indeed hard. I used to laugh about Nightblades, they were so weak. But now they are sooo dangerous. Overpowered fear and yesterday, there was an NB who spamed a red light on me something and it burned down my shields and everything. I was insantly dead, obviously and exploit or something.

I found daedric mines to work well against melee DK's. It offers you some space and puts a bit presure on them. But if the DK is really really skilled and abuses damage shields, you have no chance as a Sorc.

Sorc has no good damage options and won't be able to break the defense. But hold on: maybe update 1.6 will change something and I hope, ZoS will come to recognize the bad situations of Sorcerers.

Carter_DC

Qolt wrote: »

You may use Shattering Prison against DK. It works like Talons: even on cc-immune players, but it has hight mana cost (360 mana to me).

DK will try roll from Shattering Prison, but soon they will be out of stamina. They wearing light armor, so roll dodge cost is very high. And Shield Charge cost is rather high too.

Also you may try to use Whitestrake’s Retribution set. It gives you 1k shield, when your hp below 30%. This shield saved my life many times.

And this vid can give you some advices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMzUdCzamb0&list=UUigjv-ScYWT_N74d6sbOzig

Great Video, thx !
And thx guys for some good advices.
next time i'll ask for a different match up ^^

Kypho

Dracane wrote: »

I'm a Sorcerer myself and DK's are indeed hard. I used to laugh about Nightblades, they were so weak. But now they are sooo dangerous. Overpowered fear and yesterday, there was an NB who spamed a red light on me something and it burned down my shields and everything. I was insantly dead, obviously and exploit or something.

I found daedric mines to work well against melee DK's. It offers you some space and puts a bit presure on them. But if the DK is really really skilled and abuses damage shields, you have no chance as a Sorc.

Sorc has no good damage options and won't be able to break the defense. But hold on: maybe update 1.6 will change something and I hope, ZoS will come to recognize the bad situations of Sorcerers.

NB hard? you have all tools to kill an NB. Fear OP? your streak and curse is op, not mention your other BS crap OP abilities, stack your shield, spam your streak, and curse all the way and you call fear OP... lol....just lol
I died only once because fear. when i fought a guy, a shield stacker one, and was low on stamina, didnt used pot, then NB jumped on me, and used fear.... so well... it was not fear what killd me really, but it helped them.... no way that i die just because NB using fear on me. no way lawl. i even block while feared.

what about curse+fragment proc+streak? its more dmg than NB ambush. lame sorcs. Curse is unblockable.... lawl... fear is OP...

Valymer

Kypho wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I'm a Sorcerer myself and DK's are indeed hard. I used to laugh about Nightblades, they were so weak. But now they are sooo dangerous. Overpowered fear and yesterday, there was an NB who spamed a red light on me something and it burned down my shields and everything. I was insantly dead, obviously and exploit or something.

I found daedric mines to work well against melee DK's. It offers you some space and puts a bit presure on them. But if the DK is really really skilled and abuses damage shields, you have no chance as a Sorc.

Sorc has no good damage options and won't be able to break the defense. But hold on: maybe update 1.6 will change something and I hope, ZoS will come to recognize the bad situations of Sorcerers.

NB hard? you have all tools to kill an NB. Fear OP? your streak and curse is op, not mention your other BS crap OP abilities, stack your shield, spam your streak, and curse all the way and you call fear OP... lol....just lol
I died only once because fear. when i fought a guy, a shield stacker one, and was low on stamina, didnt used pot, then NB jumped on me, and used fear.... so well... it was not fear what killd me really, but it helped them.... no way that i die just because NB using fear on me. no way lawl. i even block while feared.

what about curse+fragment proc+streak? its more dmg than NB ambush. lame sorcs. Curse is unblockable.... lawl... fear is OP...

Your ignorance is astounding.

My tooltip damage on Velocious Curse is 598 over 3.5 seconds. That's with 2569 magicka and 151 spell damage.

598 damage / 3.5 s = 170 dps (assuming perfect timing on recasts)

If you can't survive against 170 dps I don't know what to tell you. Keep guards do way more than that.

Crystal fragments is blockable and reflectable, didn't you know?

Streak is the ONLY decent spell that makes playing a Sorcerer in Cyrodiil worth it (unless you are one of the few using a stamina build and Surge), and as you can see here it is buggy as hell. It can't be cast in mid-air (unlike many other spells) so good luck using it on mountainous terrain.

Oh, and Streak is also blockable, didn't you know?

Kaghei

its not fair to compared a sorc to a dk and say one if overpowered because dks have an ability to counter most of their damage. The same can be said for a dks vs blazing shield templar.

But with that being said, imo nbs, dks and temps are fairly balanced with sorcs needing some help

RinaldoGandolphi

Saying sorcs need help is an understatement (not trying to be rude)

We are the worst class in the game pvp wise. Lets see here:

1. Has no instant direct damage class skills.

2. Our only escape skill bolt escape(which we only have because we have no instant direct damage class skills) has been nerfed hard) that 50% cost increase and mama regen penalty makes it difficult to use it very long iffensivly or defensively as it essentially cripples you.

3 our class healing ability crit surge is nullified by impentrable, good luck healing yourself with dark exchange, Dk have gdb, nightblades have siphon, temps have real heals, we have nothing.

4 we now have the lowest damage of all classes now, even a robes Dk can do more damage.



I could go on, but the only great skill a sorc has is negate, were terrible class in pvp due to ZOS axe to grind against sorcs with her after her after Nerf, while DK can run around op as all be, and every other class just keeps being boosted, and bows get some snipe cheese, sorcs are left holding the bag. You wont brat anyone 1 on 1 with a sorc unless your considerably more skilled then your adversary.

Anyone making a took today, don't take a sorc if you plan to pvp, every other class can wear robes and do what a sorc is supposed to do, only better.

(typed from my phone apologies for misspellings)

themizario

I would like to add that there is no build to counter them all. You should specialize in one thing and focus your entire build on it. If you want to kill DK's you can make a build that will be very efficient but sadly it will more than likely make it so that you are vulnerable against other classes and builds.

Sleep

just keep cursing until his subscription expires