Look closely at Lethal Arrow, still appears exploitable

The_Death_Princess

This weekend I was hit by 5 lethal Arrows from 1 person in about 2 seconds, so I started to investigate it. I tried my best with my razer Nostromo to replicate it, but couldnt. Of course I was in PVE and not PVP against a boss that couldnt get to me. He wasnt resetting so that isnt a factor.

In general, people are saying this is OP, and its believed to be due to stacking of heal debuff. Think that should be fixed/removed. It really is quite OP for a long ranged attack where you cannot be direct harmed in any form. Debuff like that should be for melee close quarters PVE that debuff is pretty much irrelevant, because boss would apply, and trash mobs dead in 1 or two shots.

Please advise the community that if someone is doing these shots more than 1 per second it is an exploit. I intend to report any that kill me like that, sadly I didnt screen shot this one. Belief in the PVP community is it works as intended (insta kill). <roll eyes>

P.S.
I use the other morph, so that MIGHT be why I couldnt replicate

kijima

Not everything is a hack/exploit in PvP, and I liked the way you immediately went to see if you could reproduce an exploit with your razer gear.

In PvP at the moment, I'm coming across lag associated multi hits every so often, I got hit with 5 impales that all seemed to land in 1-2 seconds and thought it was an exploit, sure felt like it at the time.

I plucked up the courage to /tell the person who dealt the damage, and asked hey, I'm the dude you just impaled to death five times how the hell? He straight away replied with; Yeah, that was you? Sorry mate, don't know what happened, tried using impale on you as I saw I you were at low health, but nothing happened, so I button mashed. Then a second later, you were dead and AP and vet point numbers rolled across my screen.

We both agreed lag was the culprit, and this guy PvP's a lot and seemed pretty honest and open about it, I believe him.

With the lag as bad as it is in PvP at the moment, can't see why Lethal wouldn't do the same on the odd occasion.

Yes, Lethal stacks health debuffs and it's not as intended, ZOS have already said they are looking at it, and I'd suggest it'll get fixed with the next patch, but that health debuff stack doesn't allow you to fire off lethal 5 times in 1 second.

It still could be an exploit, not ruling that out completely, but it's more than likely attributed to the lag we have at the moment.

Cody

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

This weekend I was hit by 5 lethal Arrows from 1 person in about 2 seconds, so I started to investigate it. I tried my best with my razer Nostromo to replicate it, but couldnt. Of course I was in PVE and not PVP against a boss that couldnt get to me. He wasnt resetting so that isnt a factor.

In general, people are saying this is OP, and its believed to be due to stacking of heal debuff. Think that should be fixed/removed. It really is quite OP for a long ranged attack where you cannot be direct harmed in any form. Debuff like that should be for melee close quarters PVE that debuff is pretty much irrelevant, because boss would apply, and trash mobs dead in 1 or two shots.

Please advise the community that if someone is doing these shots more than 1 per second it is an exploit. I intend to report any that kill me like that, sadly I didnt screen shot this one. Belief in the PVP community is it works as intended (insta kill). <roll eyes>

P.S.
I use the other morph, so that MIGHT be why I couldnt replicate

could just be lag. i have had times where i activate snipe, it holds in its spot for 5 seconds, i button mash for those 5 seconds, then all of a sudden my character shoots out almost 5 snipes seemingly instantly.

you cant legitly shoot out 5 snipes in 2 seconds. even with macros i doubt you could do it. unless it is a hack(which i highly doubt) its just the infamous lag ZOS loves and supports.

The_Death_Princess

Yup, hear what you guys are saying about lag, and that isnt it. I know because I just ent from a po boy game rig with bad video to a max gamers rig (i will get the pcpicker tagline up soon, and yes I use gtx980). My old duo core system saw the 'queued effect'. This was in Haderus, with maybe around 50 on each side, non three way as well. All I am asking is they look hard at this and oher skills like it - and maybe be more vocal that it is NOT intended that you can acheive susained 3k+ dps. Then I can support my claims in chat to peeps that say thats ok!

kijima

I've updated to a decent system myself, still got hit with the 5 impales and still get a tonne of lag.

Suntzu1414

i getting the same effects.

On both sides (killing / killed).
For me its latency .. It seems latency , especially in Cyro .. has shot up (pun not intended)

There is definitely something afoot, and its not just Snipe.


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Armitas

If it's possible to hit 5x in a second with lag, which seems to be the only viable explanation, then it should be expected that someone will try to reproduce this lag to their advantage.

Lag switches exist and they voluntarily introduce lag between the server and client. It might also be the case that someone might be able to interject the required lag from within the normal game sphere. For example people used to be able to stack buffs infinitely by opening a short window where buffs could stack after casting scorching rune. So they could have 20 igneous weapon buffs on at the same time and 1 shot people for 7k. It could be something as simple as that because I would think a lag switch would get them banned fairly quickly. Although if lag is prevalent throughout the game anyway it might make it more difficult to detect.

kijima

Unsure as to what causes it to happen, but I'd wager it's performance based. I'm not tech head, so the term lag might not be the right description, but it seems like there is some kind of latency somewhere along the line which causes this multi strike thing to occasionally happen. It's like it doesn't get a chance to register, then everything registers all at once.

I can think of plenty of things that happen from time to time, and they all seem to be performance based.

1. Riding down to our local gate. i.e. Mnem only to find that the gate guards are floating in mid air and I can run through the gate, or shoot arrows through it when my enemies cant.

2. I've a few times been able to run around burning siege equipment, yet both my faction and opposing factions players are not visible, only there siege equipment it visible. Opposing faction is wondering how the hell there siege is getting burnt to the ground.

3. Arriving to a resource or a keep and the walls aren't rendered, you can see the NPC's but that's about it.

Kypho

with this lag ye. i got 3 lethal arrow hit in 1.5-2 sec from same person. i guess it was lag. lucky it was only around 500dmg per hit lol.

Xsorus

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

This weekend I was hit by 5 lethal Arrows from 1 person in about 2 seconds, so I started to investigate it. I tried my best with my razer Nostromo to replicate it, but couldnt. Of course I was in PVE and not PVP against a boss that couldnt get to me. He wasnt resetting so that isnt a factor.

In general, people are saying this is OP, and its believed to be due to stacking of heal debuff. Think that should be fixed/removed. It really is quite OP for a long ranged attack where you cannot be direct harmed in any form. Debuff like that should be for melee close quarters PVE that debuff is pretty much irrelevant, because boss would apply, and trash mobs dead in 1 or two shots.

Please advise the community that if someone is doing these shots more than 1 per second it is an exploit. I intend to report any that kill me like that, sadly I didnt screen shot this one. Belief in the PVP community is it works as intended (insta kill). <roll eyes>

P.S.
I use the other morph, so that MIGHT be why I couldnt replicate

Are you a DK?

The_Death_Princess

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Are you a DK?

Newp. If I was, wouldnt have to be concerned about exploiters damaging me. As the Borg say about DK "Damaging Effort is Futile, you will join Us"

Syntse

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Yup, hear what you guys are saying about lag, and that isnt it. I know because I just ent from a po boy game rig with bad video to a max gamers rig (i will get the pcpicker tagline up soon, and yes I use gtx980). My old duo core system saw the 'queued effect'. This was in Haderus, with maybe around 50 on each side, non three way as well. All I am asking is they look hard at this and oher skills like it - and maybe be more vocal that it is NOT intended that you can acheive susained 3k+ dps. Then I can support my claims in chat to peeps that say thats ok!

How does your high end rig disable network lag? Anyway, since you have gtx980, setup shadowplay. I have that for 2min shadow so with press of a button I can save the last 2 mins of the game in case something funny or something suspicious happens. Now you will have even proof to send to devs or show to people who do not believe you.

Auber

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Yup, hear what you guys are saying about lag, and that isnt it. I know because I just ent from a po boy game rig with bad video to a max gamers rig (i will get the pcpicker tagline up soon, and yes I use gtx980). My old duo core system saw the 'queued effect'. This was in Haderus, with maybe around 50 on each side, non three way as well. All I am asking is they look hard at this and oher skills like it - and maybe be more vocal that it is NOT intended that you can acheive susained 3k+ dps. Then I can support my claims in chat to peeps that say thats ok!

I'm not sure that you know what lag is. Your computer's framerate has nothing to do with latency.

kijima

Pretty sure there was a special edition you could buy at pre-release they allowed you to fire off 5 snipes in 1 second. It was called the explorers exploiters pack.

Methuselah

There are a lot of ppl who do this 5 lethal in 1 second crap all the time. And fyi I'm not lagging.

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

Methuselah wrote: »

There are a lot of ppl who do this 5 lethal in 1 second crap all the time. And fyi I'm not lagging.

Yeah and i report each and everyone of them.