Dwemer motifs...OVERPRICED ******CLOSED unofficially by OP********

Ourorboros

A check of guild stores in Rawl'kha showed Dwemer motif prices starting around 40k. That's for one chapter. There are 14 chapters. That makes the cost for learning all Dwemer styles at 600k. That's at least 6 times the going rate of Imperial motif and many times that of Daedric and Ancient Elf. I know the style is new, and everyone always wants that shiny new toy, but that kind of price for what amounts to nothing but a visual variation is ridiculous IMO. I'm not spending hours dedicated to finding the Dwemer chapters, so buying them from those who do is a convenient shortcut. However, I wouldn't pay more than 15k for a single chapter. That still makes a set 225k, well more than any other motif. Prices will come down in time, but they will come down sooner if few people were willing to buy at current prices. I've already found 4 chapters in the few hours I spent looking. Until prices are reasonable, I guess I'll just look for a few more.

Bartichello

they are worth what people pay for them. personally i would never give more then 15 k per chapter.

Winnower

No one has to sell. No one has to buy. People have gold and want to spend it on getting the pages sooner rather than later. People have gold and don't want to spend hours and days farming the pages. Or other reasons.

Personally I'll wait until they get down to 2-5K a page, but in the meantime there is no support for calling the pages "overpriced".

KenCleanAirSystem

Even 15k per chapter seems high ... I think they will come down to ~10k soon and may drop lower as time goes on and there is more competition to sell and less people looking to buy. The price for the Imperial has held pretty steady for quite a while, and unless the full Dwemer motif (the gold full book) is a lot rarer than even Imperial I can't see people paying much more per chapter than what the whole book would cost, if you were to divide the book's cost by the number of chapters.

Speaking of chapters ... I'm pretty sure it is 14 chapters, not 15. If I am missing something please correct, because it is kind of driving me crazy trying to figure out what the heck chapter 15 could be, but I get:

1-7 Armor pieces
8 Shields
9 Bow
10 Staves
11 Daggers
12 Swords
13 Axes
14 Maces

The number doesn't reflect the chapter numbers in game, but if there are 15 chapters, what the heck am I missing?

djyrb

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

The number doesn't reflect the chapter numbers in game, but if there are 15 chapters, what the heck am I missing?

There are only 14 chapters, maybe some are including the legendary drop with all the chapters in it when they count 15.

Ourorboros

Winnower wrote: »

No one has to sell. No one has to buy. People have gold and want to spend it on getting the pages sooner rather than later. People have gold and don't want to spend hours and days farming the pages. Or other reasons.

Personally I'll wait until they get down to 2-5K a page, but in the meantime there is no support for calling the pages "overpriced".

As per my original post " that kind of price for what amounts to nothing but a visual variation is ridiculous IMO", it's my opinion that they are overpriced. Apparently, you agree, because you state you won't buy them until price comes down to 5k. Your post actually supports my opinion that they are overpriced. I did not ask for players not buy at current high prices, I know that there are always a few who are willing to pay through the nose. But I did suggest that prices will come down sooner if most people held out for lower prices.
@KenCleanAirSystem‌, I could very well be mistaken about 15 chapters instead of 14. If so, I apologize for posting misleading information. I didn't have a reference source up when I wrote the post, and 15 was the number stuck in my head. My bad. I edited my OP to 14 chapters.

AlexDougherty

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

Even 15k per chapter seems high ... I think they will come down to ~10k soon and may drop lower as time goes on and there is more competition to sell and less people looking to buy. The price for the Imperial has held pretty steady for quite a while, and unless the full Dwemer motif (the gold full book) is a lot rarer than even Imperial I can't see people paying much more per chapter than what the whole book would cost, if you were to divide the book's cost by the number of chapters.

Speaking of chapters ... I'm pretty sure it is 14 chapters, not 15. If I am missing something please correct, because it is kind of driving me crazy trying to figure out what the heck chapter 15 could be, but I get:

1-7 Armor pieces
8 Shields
9 Bow
10 Staves
11 Daggers
12 Swords
13 Axes
14 Maces

The number doesn't reflect the chapter numbers in game, but if there are 15 chapters, what the heck am I missing?

Maybe some is confusing MOTIF 15 with CHAPTER 15.
Dwemer motif is the fifteenth Motif.

DenverRalphy

The prices are already dropping rapidly. Day 1 and part of Day 2, you could sell armor pieces for around 95k. Now they're dipping below 40k. By the end of the week when everybody has farmed the begeebus out of them, they'll probably be sub 5-10k.

The prices were initially really high because everybody was under the impression that they'd be rare drops. Now that it's readily apparent that they're uncommon drops at best, everybody is out snatching them up.

Gilvoth

dwemer armor and weapons are among the rarest and most valued in all of tamriel. it has been this way in all elderscrolls games.
in morrowind, just having dwemer items was illegal, it was also against the law to sell those items. (imperial law)

QUOTE:

Artifacts

Dwemer artifacts are highly prized throughout the Empire for trade and collecting, although since they are technically the property of the Emperor under various Imperial charters, the sale of them is often illegal. This does not seem to stop artifacts from falling off the backs of wagons or otherwise disappearing into various collections. Everything from armor to housewares is greatly sought after, and smugglers will risk execution if caught for such a profitable trade. Dwemer weapons and armor are especially valued, renowned for their excellent craftsmanship and sturdy design. However, acquisition of these artifacts is extremely dangerous, chiefly due to the remote locations of the ruins, and the multitude of aged and unreliable Dwemer machinery within, including the Centurions and other Animunculi, as well as sophisticated traps of which the Dwemer were particularly fond.

end quote:
source:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dwemer


dwemer items in general are very rare and priceless also according to not only lore but also basic history in tamriel ...

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dwemer_Coin#Dwemer_Coin


http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Morrowind:_Dwemer_Artifacts

in general then the question arises that we have inmind,
"are dwemer items (especialy those of antiquity such as dwemer books on how to make dwemer armor) normaly extremely High in value?"

answer:
"yes, obviously"

Ommamar

In my opinion all the motifs are overpriced as you can get them by playing the game. But who cares that is my opinion and how I choose to play.
As to the reference to Dwemer artifacts being sought after how come the merchants give me a pittance for all the dwemer gears I collect while farming for frames? That actually might be the more profitable farm is the frames.

Nestor

Ourorboros wrote: »

A check of guild stores in Rawl'kha showed Dwemer motif prices starting around 40k

Rawl'kha is the busiest crafting hub in the game. The vendors there price accordingly. (I would if any of my guilds ever got a Kiosk there)

So, travel around. Most Guild stores in Daggerfall sell them much cheaper, more in the 15K range.

Me, I am glad I don't like the style and have little interest in crafting with it. When the prices settle down, I will go for it to complete things, but not until then.

Orchish

Yep they are over priced, which is exactly why i don't buy them nor do i make a fuss about it. Once they realise that nobody is going to pay that the price will drop until it reaches a price people are willing to pay.

Ourorboros

Nestor wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

A check of guild stores in Rawl'kha showed Dwemer motif prices starting around 40k

Rawl'kha is the busiest crafting hub in the game. The vendors there price accordingly. (I would if any of my guilds ever got a Kiosk there)

So, travel around. Most Guild stores in Daggerfall sell them much cheaper, more in the 15K range.

Me, I am glad I don't like the style and have little interest in crafting with it. When the prices settle down, I will go for it to complete things, but not until then.

That's a pretty good suggestion. I've thought of it, just haven't done it yet. Could be worth my time though.

Nestor

Ourorboros wrote: »

That's a pretty good suggestion. I've thought of it, just haven't done it yet. Could be worth my time though.

And, don't forget to hit the guild stores out in the boonies, they tend to price lower (not always, but the smart ones do)

Ironic as most guild stores in the country are easier to get to than the ones in the towns as they are right next to the Wayshrine. Except of course Rawl'kha and maybe Mournhold.

Valije

They prices will drop like it did with bites... remember those prices?

Gojak

Don't like the price, then don't buy them tbqh.

timidobserver

Personally I wouldn't pay more than 2k per chapter.

Natjur

Supply and Demand. At the moment everyone wants them, but the supply is limited. Give it a few weeks the price will drop fast. Most are not selling now but just trading for the ones they are missing. Within a month, I am guessing they will start going for about 5k

hutchinsonhatch

I saw one offered for 4k tonight. I wait, until the market is satisfied and they sell for 550 gold.

reften

Supply and demand...get what you can. I have no problem with someone selling something for what I might deem as very high priced...as long as I have the OPTION to not buy it.

When things are required in order for you to be a good player, and are priced at an amount that your average player has no chance in coming up with...or has very little chance of obtaining. Then you have a problem.

Luckily, the only items I deem as required in game are crafted equipment...which you can either be a crafter, or come up with enough coin to purchase crafting equipment. Full set of purple gear with yellow enchantments is only like 48k...definitely a doable amount.

Cody

I refuse to pay more than 15K for ANY motif. they dont add anything but new visuals, so i myself will never understand why people want to pay such a large amount of money for them. even if you are a completionist..... its 40K.... for something that only makes you look different.

but if people want to pay 40K for it, so be it. let them pay what they think it is worth. Prices will drop eventually

Ourorboros

LOL, I knew prices would drop when I created this thread, but I didn't expect them to plummet so rapidly so far. The chapters can be had for 10k or even less, if you look. Still a little pricey at 10k, but within reach of a lot more people, especially just filling in missing chapters.

I'd say this thread is now irrelevant and unofficially closed. Thanks to all those who commented.

rotaugen454

I spent last night farming a Dwemer ruin and didn't pick up a single motif. If I do it again tonight, I might find none or multiples. But, I use the farming for income and to pick up points for active abilities I put in the skill bar to level them. I won't pay anything for them unless I get down to needing just 2 or 3 to finish the set.

andrewwmhs_ESO

http://imgur.com/Yn7PXI4

Auricle

That's... insane. I've bought several for around 8k. If you're paying that much, you're being robbed, son.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Flashing mom's credit card seems sooooooo much easier .. sadly I don't have a mom with a credit card, but for the many playing this game that do ...

Zyle

andrewwmhs_ESO wrote: »

http://imgur.com/Yn7PXI4

You do realize this thread is from last year...right?

Nebthet78

OP: You are definitely checking in the wrong spots. I find Rawl'kha to be one of the most expensive areas to buy anything from a guild. Go to one of the other towns in a lower zones and check the guilds there.

Most pages can be found for between 4k-10k. There are usually only 4 of them that are near the 10k mark. Most people sell them around 5k each.

You should be spending no more than 100k for all 14 of the pages you need.

natsamson

The mats are my biggest problem, buying one Dwemer Frame is 5k a piece in most cases and finding 10 to make 1 is a pain in the backside lol, but we shall get there eventually.

Ourorboros

Not sure why my thread got necro'd, but it does say "CLOSED" in title. Motifs were around 40k each when I started the thread. Were down to around 10k when I closed it a few weeks later. Now, most page are half that. I know, cuz I sell them a lot.

As for getting page and/or scraps and frames, it just takes time and patience if you don't have the gold to buy them. RNG is a fickle mistress. She can be stingy or generous.

Sotha_Sil