Questing exp is HORRIBLE in 1.5

Adhal

OK so I recently started making a character on EP to join some friends after having 3 vet ranked characters on DC so I am well versed in how long it takes to level questing. So I got 76% into vr 2 prior to the patch and was about 50% through stormhaven (vr2 zone) I am now almost done with all of rivenspire (including all but a couple dolmens side quests, ect) and I am only about 35% into vr 3. At this rate I will be lucky to hit vr 6 by the time I reach reapers march (vr 10 zone). The quest exp needs to be buffed pronto, questing is half as effective as it previously was.

RSram

If you're currently doing Cadwell's silver, and are at VR3 in Rivenspire, you should be able to reach VR 4 -5 doing all the quests the the last two DC zones.

By the time you complete Cadwell's gold , you should be a least VR-9 or 10.

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

I could wrong on this but the reach VR-14 you will need start doing Craghorn group dungeons or join a campaign., or the new Undauned Quests in update 1.5

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

RSram wrote: »

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

Only if you're prepared to tolerate PVPers, many of us aren't.

RSram

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

Only if you're prepared to tolerate PVPers, many of us aren't.

There are ways to do the solo stuff and avoid other players:

1) Pick a campaign were your faction is winning.

2) Always sneak (its slow, but it works most of the time).When your stamina runs low just stop until it builds up. You can sneak from cover to cover.

3) Do the questing during the morning hours on school days hours if possible, or during school days from 12:30 am to 6:00 am.

4) Join a guild, or group and ask for assistant in completing the quest.

The PVP element makes the questing more intense and challenging.

I'll give you a perfect example:

I was in Cyrodiil exploring a troll mine, and came across another alliance player, who was getting his butt kick when he backed into two other trolls while fighting a third one. I had the option of letting him die, or helping him out. I opted to help him out, and we decided on a truce and cleaned out the mine together. I expected that he would be waiting to jump me once the mine was cleared, but he bowed to me and left the mine.

Another occasion, I was ambushed by a NB who tried to one shot me with a bow, and as soon as I was hit, I streaked to cover and when into sneak mode until I lost him. Eventually, we crossed paths again, but this time, I caught him camping near a shard, and I ambushed him from behind; he never knew what hit him.

in my opinion, PVP is more challenging than PVE because players are smarter than NPC's and the battles are more intense.

Uber_Lord

Please, can someone from ZOS shed some light into this? Is this new exp grind intentional? Patch notes said that levelling up would be faster instead we get this. Is this money grabing mechanic to make players play twice as long? If I complete all zones and I am not VR10 then this is quite bad (including broken weapon swap).
Developers, please talk to us?

spoqster

They will remove the VR ranks with the introduction of the Championship System. The problem you are describing is just a temporary problem.

Cherryblossom

I have to agree, I have a V3 and I need another 600000xp to hit V4.
I'm currently getting 499xp per quest, so on this basis I need another 1200 quests to hit V4. Is this working as intended or have they added a lot more quests I'm unaware of?

orangeman57ub17_ESO

spoqster wrote: »

They will remove the VR ranks with the introduction of the Championship System. The problem you are describing is just a temporary problem.

I can see it being a temperary problem until the champion system comes out, but when is that going to be? Even if the champion system came out in patch 1.6, that is still atleast 6 weeks away. Players will have to live with the horrible exp gain for months before they can take their lower VR toons through dragonstar, trials, and even some of the new endgame content.

KenjiJU

Not sure how this works currently. I kind of feel bad for consoling other players with 'leveling is easier, you don't need to grind anymore!'

Granted the first 4 ranks of a skill are easy to get, but I swear I leveled two ranks of a skill (to 3 and 4) just by opening a couple chests in Crag (literally somewhere between 2 and 5 of em). That's actually better than what I was getting pre-patch for standard quest rewards.

Adhal

RSram wrote: »

If you're currently doing Cadwell's silver, and are at VR3 in Rivenspire, you should be able to reach VR 4 -5 doing all the quests the the last two DC zones.

By the time you complete Cadwell's gold , you should be a least VR-9 or 10.

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

I could wrong on this but the reach VR-14 you will need start doing Craghorn group dungeons or join a campaign., or the new Undauned Quests in update 1.5

No I'm 35% into vr3 but most of my gains came pre patch. I was 76% into vr2 halfway through stormhaven. Therefore I have only gained around 50% of a rank I'm what equates to 100% of a zone. There are only 10 zone so that doesn't go well, you used to get 80-100% of a level. Questing exp has literally been cut in half. As for champion system, we won't see that for 2-4 months at best, so its not really a temporary problem.

Adhal

Also to clarify even more this makes questing basically garbage for leveling, it leaves PvP and grinding as the only legitimate options, I can't even get half way to max vr at current rate.

So even though they were trying to stop grinding with this patch they ended up making it more mandatory, unless you want to PvP.

AngryNord

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I have to agree, I have a V3 and I need another 600000xp to hit V4.
I'm currently getting 499xp per quest, so on this basis I need another 1200 quests to hit V4. Is this working as intended or have they added a lot more quests I'm unaware of?

Discovering new locations, etc now also helps gain Vet rank, like pre-level 50 levelling.

dzugarueb17_ESO

I think now every vet level has the same amount of exp needed. Before - it was growing. So first level obviously will be slowed down greatly and last ones - sped up. Overall time to vr14 should decrease.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

AngryNord wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I have to agree, I have a V3 and I need another 600000xp to hit V4.
I'm currently getting 499xp per quest, so on this basis I need another 1200 quests to hit V4. Is this working as intended or have they added a lot more quests I'm unaware of?

Discovering new locations, etc now also helps gain Vet rank, like pre-level 50 levelling.

Even if you got decent XP for that the problem is that they didn't count any of the XP from places you've previously discovered in Vet zones (they said they were tracking XP but clearly they didn't add it to your levels if you were VR1-13).

If they were tracking XP for the Champion point system and they plan to convert VR levels to XP for Champion points then people with VR14s have a massive advantage since they got there when it was easier to grind to VR14. :P

dzugarueb17_ESO wrote: »

I think now every vet level has the same amount of exp needed. Before - it was growing. So first level obviously will be slowed down greatly and last ones - sped up. Overall time to vr14 should decrease.

Nah. You got more VP for the same quests each VR level. So you could do quests in a VR1 zone as a VR13 and get enough VP to hit 14 quite easily. Now you need 2 zones by the sounds.

Adhal

dzugarueb17_ESO wrote: »

I think now every vet level has the same amount of exp needed. Before - it was growing. So first level obviously will be slowed down greatly and last ones - sped up. Overall time to vr14 should decrease.

I hope this is true, but if exp is percentage based for quests like I've been told then it won't matter so nice I'll still be get ng the same pitiful amount of exp.

Guppet

RSram wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

Only if you're prepared to tolerate PVPers, many of us aren't.

There are ways to do the solo stuff and avoid other players:

1) Pick a campaign were your faction is winning.

2) Always sneak (its slow, but it works most of the time).When your stamina runs low just stop until it builds up. You can sneak from cover to cover.

3) Do the questing during the morning hours on school days hours if possible, or during school days from 12:30 am to 6:00 am.

4) Join a guild, or group and ask for assistant in completing the quest.

The PVP element makes the questing more intense and challenging.

I'll give you a perfect example:

I was in Cyrodiil exploring a troll mine, and came across another alliance player, who was getting his butt kick when he backed into two other trolls while fighting a third one. I had the option of letting him die, or helping him out. I opted to help him out, and we decided on a truce and cleaned out the mine together. I expected that he would be waiting to jump me once the mine was cleared, but he bowed to me and left the mine.

Another occasion, I was ambushed by a NB who tried to one shot me with a bow, and as soon as I was hit, I streaked to cover and when into sneak mode until I lost him. Eventually, we crossed paths again, but this time, I caught him camping near a shard, and I ambushed him from behind; he never knew what hit him.

in my opinion, PVP is more challenging than PVE because players are smarter than NPC's and the battles are more intense.

Your completely missing the fact that before the change the vet zones would have got you to VR11.5 or there abouts. So your about 3-4 levels lower than you should be when you complete Cadwells Gold. It does not matter that there are ways to gain xp, the leveling through VR has actually be massivly slowed with this change, when they said it would be sped up!!

Robocles

And still nothing from ZOS. I thought it couldn't get any worse than their screwup with the Nord 6% DR racial (you know... it was actually ADDING damage to the player if they chose it). This is just absurd.

Vyle_Byte

Only quested a little bit last night but totally noticed this. For the smaller quests in Vet levels - we were getting about 2k xp, now... its more like a few hundred.

Thats a drastic difference.

They dropped the total xp to get to next Vet rank BUT lowered xp gain on quests... which is supposed to be far better for leveling than grinding. In what universe does that make sense?

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please shed some light on this for us!

akalabethb14_ESO

I wish that they just waited to do anything with veteran ranks until the champion system was ready, because being stuck in this "limbo" of not knowing why exp gains are so low, kind of sucks.

If I'm going to do quests only to find out that I screwed myself over by missing out on some exp due to a bug, I'm not going to be happy.

But so is life I guess...

ZoS, can we please get some answers?

halkjear

I am upset about the change in experience rewards as well.

I am currently VR13 and sure I now only need 1.4 million experience to VR14 compared to the 5+ million veteran points I needed before the patch, but at the same time the gain of experience compared to what I need to level is much lower than the veteran points I needed.

Before patch I would for example get 37.000 veteran points for a boss kill in either open world or dungeon. Now I get around 500 experience points.
I needed 5+ million veteran points to level, getting 37.000 per kill, meaning I would have to kill about 135 bosses. Now I need 1.4 million experience and I get 500 per boss kill, meaning I would have to kill 2800 bosses!

Before patch I would get around 100.000 veteran points for completing a quest in a Craglorn dungeon. Now I get 7500 experience points.
So before I would have to do 50 dungeon quests to gain a level, now I have to do 187.

This is not okay!

Cherryblossom

I really want to get some clarity from ZOS as to if this is working as intended or not, if not I will stop leveling until a fix.
If working as intended, I'll start playing again after Champion System has been implemented successfully.

AlnilamE

OK. So I hit V8 on my main on Saturday while doing a Craglorn quest. I spent most of Sunday playing my alt as she needed to find some Warlock pieces (Found them, yay!!!) and spent Monday evening setting up my characters after the patch and trying to figure out which addons were working and which weren't.

Yesterday I had the day off and I did the crafting quests and the undaunted challenges, as well as some dwemer ruin farming and I'm now 50% into v8.

When I paid attention, I noticed the V1 mobs were giving very little XP, but I usually just glance at my bar every once in a while to see how things are going when I'm having fun.

I'll have to try some quests (I'm still not done with Stormhaven) and I will check to see how much XP that gives me now.

Lord_Draevan

Odd, it shouldn't be as long or longer as it was prior to 1.5 to gain a Vet Rank. ZOS stated: "It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank."

So unless they greatly reduced the XP gain without saying anything, something's off.

akalabethb14_ESO

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Odd, it shouldn't be as long or longer as it was prior to 1.5 to gain a Vet Rank. ZOS stated: "It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank."

So unless they greatly reduced the XP gain without saying anything, something's off.

I think that the posts in the forum speak for themselves. Its not just one person that noticed a discrepancy.

Hopefully we can get ZOS to answer us, but for now, there is already a bigger thread discussing this same problem.

Emeliana

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I have to agree, I have a V3 and I need another 600000xp to hit V4.
I'm currently getting 499xp per quest, so on this basis I need another 1200 quests to hit V4. Is this working as intended or have they added a lot more quests I'm unaware of?

Hmm.. I've gotten 6653xp for one and 10300xp from another quest. I'm not sure even at my rate there are enough quests since I need 1,4 million xp per level plus the fact that quests are not repeatable.

I read on forum here players getting all kinds of different numbers - from thousands down to zero so there's no consistency.

If this was thought to be some kind of interim period before the Champion system kicks in, it was completely unnecessary. To say it's quicker to level Vet-levels now is nothing but a lie. More over, there's no word on when the Champion system is going to be implemented.

Nerfing xp-gain and loot/rewards is a half desperate move that has been tried by other mmo's in order to preserve the playerbase but it has never worked. All it does is to give players the incentive to find out exploits to circumvent the inertia of leveling.

Blade_07

Adhal wrote: »

OK so I recently started making a character on EP to join some friends after having 3 vet ranked characters on DC so I am well versed in how long it takes to level questing. So I got 76% into vr 2 prior to the patch and was about 50% through stormhaven (vr2 zone) I am now almost done with all of rivenspire (including all but a couple dolmens side quests, ect) and I am only about 35% into vr 3. At this rate I will be lucky to hit vr 6 by the time I reach reapers march (vr 10 zone). The quest exp needs to be buffed pronto, questing is half as effective as it previously was.

I have noticed this as well. Quests are not giving hardly any XP like they was. Fricken updates.....I hate them! Zenimax got their heads stuffed up their arses again!

thorntk421

I'm seeing the same thing. Doing Cadwell's Silver as a V4 DK in Riften. The night before patch I was getting around 50k xp from completing the major quests. After patch I'm getting less than 5k for major quests and around 500xp for the minor. Something is up.

halkjear

AlnilamE wrote: »

When I paid attention, I noticed the V1 mobs were giving very little XP, but I usually just glance at my bar every once in a while to see how things are going when I'm having fun.

I'll have to try some quests (I'm still not done with Stormhaven) and I will check to see how much XP that gives me now.

Well that is pretty normal. In pretty much any MMO killing lower mobs that are much lower level than your own, or doing low level quests, will give you a low level of experience or perhaps even none.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Adhal wrote: »

OK so I recently started making a character on EP to join some friends after having 3 vet ranked characters on DC so I am well versed in how long it takes to level questing. So I got 76% into vr 2 prior to the patch and was about 50% through stormhaven (vr2 zone) I am now almost done with all of rivenspire (including all but a couple dolmens side quests, ect) and I am only about 35% into vr 3. At this rate I will be lucky to hit vr 6 by the time I reach reapers march (vr 10 zone). The quest exp needs to be buffed pronto, questing is half as effective as it previously was.

Go back, do _all_ the quests in an area. There are enough quests to do a VR level a zone but you will have to look for some of them. Any area that's not filled in will have some quests hidden away. Go find em'.

RSram

Adhal wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

If you're currently doing Cadwell's silver, and are at VR3 in Rivenspire, you should be able to reach VR 4 -5 doing all the quests the the last two DC zones.

By the time you complete Cadwell's gold , you should be a least VR-9 or 10.

You also have the solo quests in Cyrodiil?

I could wrong on this but the reach VR-14 you will need start doing Craghorn group dungeons or join a campaign., or the new Undauned Quests in update 1.5

No I'm 35% into vr3 but most of my gains came pre patch. I was 76% into vr2 halfway through stormhaven. Therefore I have only gained around 50% of a rank I'm what equates to 100% of a zone. There are only 10 zone so that doesn't go well, you used to get 80-100% of a level. Questing exp has literally been cut in half. As for champion system, we won't see that for 2-4 months at best, so its not really a temporary problem.

I hope your wrong about the 1.5 update. I'd been averaging about 2 VR gains every three zones before the update.

Nestor

RSram wrote: »

I hope your wrong about the 1.5 update. I'd been averaging about 2 VR gains every three zones before the update.

I was getting 1 VR Rank per zone by doing enough quests to get the Adventurer Achievement, the Explorer Achievements, 3 Dolmens and 6 Bosses. Anything less is unacceptable because the patch notes tell us we should get VR levels faster than before. I even got almost through a VR Rank in Greenshade and skipped two of the Bosses there just before 1.5 came out. I do admit doing some grinding a certain Delve but that should have not had much of an overall impact pre 1.5 (as I am getting more exp than before in that Delve)