Is it worth slotting Fighter's Guild Skills Anymore?

Columba

The potency of silver shards and other Fighter's Guild skills vs. vamps seem to have declined a lot. they are no better than regular attacks it seems. Are they bugged or is something else wrong?

sztartureb17_ESO

Does anyone use circle of protection against bat vampires?

Cogo

Hi, there is not "one" way to use skills or counter or whatever....

Fighter skills works just nicely on vampires and WW. You know...in the whole Tamriel...not just Cyro?

Columba

ok well I only care about pvp. the rest of the game is a speedbump to get to pvp.

WraithAzraiel

You clearly haven't seen Vampires melt under Camouflaged Hunter stealth attacks have you?

WraithAzraiel

There's more to fighting vampires than "facesmash silverbolts" spam

Wreuntzylla

Some of the skills were switched to scale off of stamina instead of magicka.

Nala_

silvershards is terrible 95% of the time and does less damage than a light attack, only scrubs spam that into vamps. evil hunter however is worth it, very worth it.

Columba

yes i slot camo and dawnbreaker
agree with nala that silver shards is pretty lame.

Columba

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

There's more to fighting vampires than "facesmash silverbolts" spam

a

perhaps, but that doesn't mean that silver shards should be useless

Asgari

The fighters guild abilities work just fine. I get banished all the time, granted its after im spammed with silver shards and 1 in 10 will maybe banish me.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

I had camo hunter proc for a total of 1.4k in an extremely quick 1v1 yesterday. I'd say they can be very useful.

Columba

well i use silver leash, thinking the cc would work on players. banish hasn't worked in months on that. perhaps they broke it when they removed the cc.

WraithAzraiel

Columba wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

There's more to fighting vampires than "facesmash silverbolts" spam

a

perhaps, but that doesn't mean that silver shards should be useless

It isn't useless, just because it doesn't auto proc insta-kill every hit doesn't make it useless

Makes it like every other skill in the game

Camo hunter stealth attack followed with a venom arrow and silver bolts equal dead vampire

Columba

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

There's more to fighting vampires than "facesmash silverbolts" spam

a

perhaps, but that doesn't mean that silver shards should be useless

It isn't useless, just because it doesn't auto proc insta-kill every hit doesn't make it useless

Makes it like every other skill in the game

Camo hunter stealth attack followed with a venom arrow and silver bolts equal dead vampire

never asked for that. it hits for less than a light attack. and no, those don't equal a dead vampire if the vamp is a decent player.

Sharee

Columba wrote: »

well i use silver leash, thinking the cc would work on players.

From what i understand, the leash only works on vampires, and that's a problem, because on vampires the initial bolt (before the leash) knocks the vampire down, which gives a player CC immunity which prevents the followup pull from the leash.

Columba

Sharee wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

well i use silver leash, thinking the cc would work on players.

From what i understand, the leash only works on vampires, and that's a problem, because on vampires the initial bolt (before the leash) knocks the vampire down, which gives a player CC immunity which prevents the followup pull from the leash.

Actually. i think they nerfed the cc element of silver leash

Nala_

ive leashed 2 vamps maybe in the past month, seems really rare but it's happened. best bet to kill vamps is just use evil hunter with normal abilities, not spam one that has a 5% proc on it or else it does light attack damage

Asgari

Nala_ wrote: »

ive leashed 2 vamps maybe in the past month, seems really rare but it's happened. best bet to kill vamps is just use evil hunter with normal abilities, not spam one that has a 5% proc on it or else it does light attack damage

I have to agree, 1v1 or 1v3 ive never been banished from silver shards. But ill be damned that once its 1v20 and there is 3+ NB spamming the ability im bound to be banished.

Tintinabula

From what Ive noticed recently I am getting hit with silvershards much more than I am able to hit other vamps with it. (That could be because I believe AD and DC have a minimal vamp population in comparison with EP). I can throw down caltrops with camo up and "maybe" hit a vamp here and there. However I'm silver sharded back to oblivion at least once a day.

I will say though that camo hunter definitely does the job if I hit a vamp with it.Silvershards?..not so much.

Sanct16

Camohunter 650 Dmg, Snipe 2k Dmg. R.I.P.
Happens alot to me.

Sanct16

But yeah Silvershards suck. Maybe they should just increase dmg vs daedra and undead by 30% and remove the proc chance.

Asgari

Sanct16 wrote: »

But yeah Silvershards suck. Maybe they should just increase dmg vs daedra and undead by 30% and remove the proc chance.

1.5 they can be reflected. Are you sure you want that? its going to hurt you pretty damn good if its reflected back.

Tintinabula

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

But yeah Silvershards suck. Maybe they should just increase dmg vs daedra and undead by 30% and remove the proc chance.

1.5 they can be reflected. Are you sure you want that? its going to hurt you pretty damn good if its reflected back.

For me( if I ever use them again), If I don't get the proc on the first hit off a DK vamp I surely wont wait around and spam it waiting for them to reflect... that's for sure.

Rylana

See a group of vampire fire ring spammers.

Slot evil hunter + fire ring

Zerg dive

Get 10 kills before going down (which takes forever because of all the stamina evil hunter generates on kills).

Cogo

Columba wrote: »

ok well I only care about pvp. the rest of the game is a speedbump to get to pvp.

Interesting view. Even though the warfare in Cyrodiil is one major part of ESO. It's one of maybe 8 Major parts. Not sure if RP is a major part or actually integrated in ESO core.

What you and me think about the game is irrelevant.

Cyrodiil is part of ESO. ESO isn't a part of Cyrodiil.

How would you like if Cyrodiil was PvE and only let players attack others if they put a PvP flag on? Sort of the same reasoning there.....

Columba

Cogo wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

ok well I only care about pvp. the rest of the game is a speedbump to get to pvp.

Interesting view. Even though the warfare in Cyrodiil is one major part of ESO. It's one of maybe 8 Major parts. Not sure if RP is a major part or actually integrated in ESO core.

What you and me think about the game is irrelevant.

Cyrodiil is part of ESO. ESO isn't a part of Cyrodiil.

How would you like if Cyrodiil was PvE and only let players attack others if they put a PvP flag on? Sort of the same reasoning there.....

As I said. I am spending my $$, and I only care about pvp. The rest of the game is irrelevant to me. Since zenimax wants my $, what I think is relevant.

Lord_Draevan

Considering over half the opponents in PvP seem to be vamps, yes, Fighters Guild is definitely useful. Silver Shards, Dawnbreaker, the passives for bonus damage... plenty of good stuff for Elder Vamps Online.

Cogo

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Considering over half the opponents in PvP seem to be vamps, yes, Fighters Guild is definitely useful. Silver Shards, Dawnbreaker, the passives for bonus damage... plenty of good stuff for Elder Vamps Online.

Gotta love 1.5. Glowing vamps! ;-)

driosketch

I mainly use silver shards to pop Vampires when they go into clouding swarm. It's a ranged insta-cast with a knock down that only fires when it has a target. (Though when firing into a zerg of players, I more likely run out of stamina to dodge roll when the mob over runs me.) I honestly can't remember the last time I got a banish in PvP.

Other than that, I use it as a Vampire check and also to tag and finish off fleeing and dying enemies for quick credit. If there weren't so many vampires, you wouldn't see so much silver shard spam, the first whiff of which sends the inexperienced into retreat. Non-Vet campaign has a lot fewer, so maybe there it makes less sense to slot them. With the changes to evil hunter and reflective scales working on the silver bolt line, I'll probably swap that skill out in PvP at least once 1.5 lands.

Columba

That's the thing though. the knockdown doesn't seem to work on vamps in pvp. At least for me. Did anyone else spec silver leash? I wonder if that's bugged because they removed the leash part of it.