l2p means using magicka builds

jelliedsoup

And combo of DPS, heal, cc and mitigation

In case there are people out there who think this game involves actual skill, there's very little. You can stand still and press buttons in the same rotation.

It's a shame they put so much into it, but the combat is so simplistic.

jelliedsoup

I know, lol, you can actually play any build you want and win via skill.

TehMagnus

It means understanding what is more optimal and using it which leads you to use magicka builds in PVE.

It also means many other stuff like resurrecting your allies unless you're a healer, learning to move and avoid ***, knowing that there are op builds that can beat anyone in PVP with skill and that there is no need to QQ because your sucky build doesn't cut it etc etc etc .

Will agree though that most of the content isn't really hard compared to others.

CapuchinSeven

I don't know what people expect, it's a class system game with all classes being magic classes. My magic build still carries around 1700 stamina, seriously now, get over it.

Also, the hell my magicka Nightblade stands still and presses the same rotation. Maybe that's what a ton of you bads are doing so wrong?

jelliedsoup

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I don't know what people expect, it's a class system game with all classes being magic classes. My magic build still carries around 1700 stamina, seriously now, get over it.

Also, the hell my magicka Nightblade stands still and presses the same rotation. Maybe that's what a ton of you bads are doing so wrong?

Lol yeah course, that's why I said it.

Aesthier

Did it your way.

Found it boring.

Decided to go stam build to make it more challenging.

L2P does not equal following the herd.
(Of course with our current education system I can see why some individuals would think this way.)

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Sublime

I actually want to tell a Story to those who think ESO does not involve any skill:

So I've been in a duelling guild for a couple of weeks now, where we duel each other on remote places in Cyrodiil, away from all the action. But since we are so far away we have to bring our camps along, otherwise the fallen would have to run all the way back, since nobody wants to spend hundreds of soul gems.

And with the way the current camps work, everyone can spawn at the camp, which from time to time attracts curious people, who think: "Why the f*** would someone place camp at the end of the world?" Obviously the can't know what they are there for and what we are doing here, so as soon as they see the ongoing fights they help the players of their faction.

We on the otherhand immediately Interrupt the duel and the one attacked has to fend off, or kill the attacker, who sometimes Interrupts intentionally (trolls are everywhere) or sometimes not.

The funny thing about this is: It is very rarely that the one who gets ambushed by newcomers dies, even though he/she is sometimes outnumbered or already partially drained of ressources.

A nice little tale, which leads to the conclusion, that players who regularly fight other players in duels, become stronger than their fellow mates who train in the normal Cyrodiil environment.

This fact, for me, clearly indicates that there is a certain amount of skill involved in the PvP of eso.

TheBull

Aesthier wrote: »

Did it your way.

Found it boring.

Decided to go stam build to make it more challenging.

L2P does not equal following the herd.
(Of course with our current education system I can see why some individuals would think this way.)

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Played stam NB for 5 months. Went magicka for 3 weeks. Decided to take a break till 1.5, because magicka was too easy and boring. Infinite batswarm ftw For The Bored...

Zsymon

Apart from Trials, I am quite sure that stamina builds are seriously underestimated.

Yes in Trials they are too weak, but in every other part of game content, especially pvp, stamina builds are just fine as they are, and they are getting upgraded on top of that very soon.

I think this is more a problem with the way Trials function, than with stamina builds. If they would boost stamina skills to a point where they could easily compete in the current Trials, they would become massively overpowered in all the other content. Don't forget that stamina builds offer great survivability, far more than any magicka build could ever have, especially after the recent nerf to shield stacking.

Just look at how powerful archers are now, many people complain that they are way too strong already.

I think that many stamina skills need some changes and upgrades in functionality to fine tune them, rather than just straight boosts to damage to have a higher dps in Trials. Maybe Trial bosses should be something else than just dps counters, because it is really warping the view on stamina builds.

Columba

duelling. lol. contrived.

pmn100b16_ESO

When are bows getting nerfed?

Sublime

Columba wrote: »

duelling. lol. contrived.

Yeah, there's unfortunatelly no other way to duel in ESO.

sabresandiego_ESO

Somebody in this thread claims stamina builds have more survivability then magicka, I find this to be absolutely false.

Magicka provides you with heals, shielding (which is still extremely good even after nerfs), defensive abilities like bolt escape and shadow cloak, and more.

Stamina gives you basically no heals or weak heals, blocking, and dodge rolls...

Yusuf

Sublime wrote: »

I actually want to tell a Story to those who think ESO does not involve any skill:

So I've been in a duelling guild for a couple of weeks now, where we duel each other on remote places in Cyrodiil, away from all the action. But since we are so far away we have to bring our camps along, otherwise the fallen would have to run all the way back, since nobody wants to spend hundreds of soul gems.

And with the way the current camps work, everyone can spawn at the camp, which from time to time attracts curious people, who think: "Why the f*** would someone place camp at the end of the world?" Obviously the can't know what they are there for and what we are doing here, so as soon as they see the ongoing fights they help the players of their faction.

We on the otherhand immediately Interrupt the duel and the one attacked has to fend off, or kill the attacker, who sometimes Interrupts intentionally (trolls are everywhere) or sometimes not.

The funny thing about this is: It is very rarely that the one who gets ambushed by newcomers dies, even though he/she is sometimes outnumbered or already partially drained of ressources.

A nice little tale, which leads to the conclusion, that players who regularly fight other players in duels, become stronger than their fellow mates who train in the normal Cyrodiil environment.

This fact, for me, clearly indicates that there is a certain amount of skill involved in the PvP of eso.

It's actually quite funny how fast the duellers can dispatch multiple interrupters at the same time^^

RIzmyy

Being a DK while use Reflective Shield, also the Dual Wield ability Sparks; I dodge everything, almost everything. I never get hit, now that is some skill.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Zsymon wrote: »

Don't forget that stamina builds offer great survivability, far more than any magicka build could ever have, especially after the recent nerf to shield stacking.

This is a common misconception, enforced by the ZOS people who too don't understand combat mechanics. Everything else being equal, especially in sustained fights, magicka builds actually have better survivablity via blocking/dodging, because they have both a seperate initial pool for it and a seperate regeneration.

CapuchinSeven

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

blocking, and dodge rolls...

That's not true for anyone who's actually any good at playing a stamina build, stamina builds have a ton of mobility when played correctly and with the right builds.

There issue isn't dodge rolls or blocking and if you're playing a stamina build and feel the need for "another ability bar for dodging and blocking" then you have a bad build, the issue is that they are leach builds that require someone to heal them so while they might have a ton of mobility compared to magic builds they are useless past the first burst and are easy pickings.

I do agree with you, I just feel some of your points are incorrect.

This may also change with the changes to two handed, that heal looks half decent.

Teargrants

Two handed + S&B NB has a lot of survivability stacking shielded assault shield + brawler shields w/ elude/cloak/rolling. The only problem is I have to constantly feed him healing wards and as soon as he's OOS it's over. Even so we can stay up outnumbered for quite a while before I leave him to die. 8D

I shudder to think what kinda sustain he would have if I was a Templar feeding him restoring aura / repentance / spear shard spam.

I feel this highlights a misconception that many have about build balance. ESO isn't designed around 1v1 build balance with every style being comparable, it's designed around group vs group.

Hence on its own a full stam 2 hand build lacks heals, but combined with a sorc or templar it gets sustain. In return for this trade off, he gets huge burst, good sustained dps, physical dmg that cuts through shield stacking and DK flappy flap. Not to mention, the only hard counter to BoL sorcs eacaping.

wafcatb14_ESO

Actually the game is just an aoespam fest , kinda sad really, all the content is designed with aoe damage as key guess it was better for the playstation crowd to have a game that didn`t take skill to tank or any reall CC ablities ,

but making all class ablity req magik was stupid .

Zsymon

Well they are massively downgrading the most important aoe source with patch 5, so I think that will change a lot of things.