Templars Need Better Magicka Sustain

Braidas

Seems making lots of threads about something is the only way to get things done around here, and I would like a buff, so....Temps need some sort of magicka sustain. There isn't a temp out there who doesn't rely on spell sym/harness magicka along with running seducer/magnus+warlock for any sort of decent magicka return. Most of us are prob running a spell cost reduction glyph or 2, and Im sure many of you are Bretons such as myself, chugging spell pots and heavy resto staffing away b/c the class provides no form of magicka return. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is channeled focus (lol).

Need something to work with here ZOS. I implore my fellow temps to post here if you agree, and spam the forums with your own threads asking for some sort of buff. Templars unite!

Rooty

Ja.

Subtomik

Si.

Manoekin

All I use is resto staff and 2 reduction glyphs.

Although hopefully I log in later to a mail with some seducer pvp gear. I think people don't heavy attack enough, or spam too much. Also standing in friendly negates helps tremendously. Wish we had something more to help out though, yes.

Tolce

I sym with full magicka cause it feels good.

Zintair

It comes down to Syrabane or Spectres Eye and Syrabane always loses for me....

Everything else is true, it's like Braidas knows my soul.... or is staring over my shoulder when I play!!!

Huntler

Yeah I mentioned this in other threads and mano lists some good ways of upping our magicka as templars, but they all tend to make us rely on others while other classes have magicka sustain they don't need to rely on others for. With magicka harness out the window and spell symm very dangerous (along with needing other healers) we have pretty poor management.

Heard a decent idea about having repentance give magicka back, another idea I've been tossing around is changing how channeled focus works. Nobody uses this ability except SOME templar tanks in pvp. I think they should change it so it is like a self buff (armor if you will) that has a duration that restores magicka as well as having the same affects. Maybe nerf the armor/spell resists it gives with this switch so its balanced.

I think that would be a possiblity to also make that useless ability, useful. Anywho +1 for sure on this thread... for realz yo

Lfehova

I'm rerolling Templar then

Nox_Aeterna

Zen already admited this issue , they never done anything to fix it lols.

CoolsHisHands

With the latest huge nerf to Healing Springs, I get the feeling the devs just don't care and consider this "normal".

Zintair

Lfehova wrote: »

I'm rerolling Templar then

Pro tip!!!

If it has Blazing in it's name use it.... lol

Zintair

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Zen already admited this issue , they never done anything to fix it lols.

Yeah back with the Restoring Spirit nerf. Funny too because it really encouraged Stam build Templars and then the nerf and back to magicka but with no returns just ways to reduce cost.

Braidas

Manoekin wrote: »

All I use is resto staff and 2 reduction glyphs.

Although hopefully I log in later to a mail with some seducer pvp gear. I think people don't heavy attack enough, or spam too much. Also standing in friendly negates helps tremendously. Wish we had something more to help out though, yes.

This is more for you healers than anything. I, personally, am able to pretty much sustain w/ all dat shee listed (1 reduction glyph get at me), but the class literally gives nothing to help out magicka and that is a problem

Negates are indeed awesome and we give back to our sorcs w/ clutch repentances lol

Braidas

Huntler wrote: »

Yeah I mentioned this in other threads and mano lists some good ways of upping our magicka as templars, but they all tend to make us rely on others while other classes have magicka sustain they don't need to rely on others for. With magicka harness out the window and spell symm very dangerous (along with needing other healers) we have pretty poor management.

Heard a decent idea about having repentance give magicka back, another idea I've been tossing around is changing how channeled focus works. Nobody uses this ability except SOME templar tanks in pvp. I think they should change it so it is like a self buff (armor if you will) that has a duration that restores magicka as well as having the same affects. Maybe nerf the armor/spell resists it gives with this switch so its balanced.

I think that would be a possiblity to also make that useless ability, useful. Anywho +1 for sure on this thread... for realz yo

I tried to make channeled focus for awhile, but it was only ever useful when oiling in a cubby/corner, and even then just barely a noticeable difference.
I'd prefer them just give restoring spirit back.

Zintair wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

I'm rerolling Templar then

Pro tip!!!

If it has Blazing in it's name use it.... lol

Def pro tip.

Skwor

This is not new, Temps have been begging for this since beta and ZEN has actually said they will do something, they have not. Yes we need it and yes we are being ignored.

2 biggest fixes needed are majicka regen and shield charge needs the self stun removed.

I have no hope either will happen at this stage given how long they both have existed.

Tankqull

atleast revert the magica cost increasement done in beta to balance the later nerfed into oblivion restoring spirit.

Skwor

Tankqull wrote: »

atleast revert the magica cost increasement done in beta to balance the later nerfed into oblivion restoring spirit.

Again this was also begged for, they increased the cost of nearly all templar skills because of restoring spirit then nerfed restoring spirit and kept the costs in place.

There was no justification to keep our skills so expensive and most everyone who follows the game knows this, devs for some reason have a blind eye towards templars.

Manoekin

Zintair wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

I'm rerolling Templar then

Pro tip!!!

If it has Blazing in it's name use it.... lol

Should be Tip of the Day on front page.

Braidas wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

All I use is resto staff and 2 reduction glyphs.

Although hopefully I log in later to a mail with some seducer pvp gear. I think people don't heavy attack enough, or spam too much. Also standing in friendly negates helps tremendously. Wish we had something more to help out though, yes.

This is more for you healers than anything. I, personally, am able to pretty much sustain w/ all dat shee listed (1 reduction glyph get at me), but the class literally gives nothing to help out magicka and that is a problem

Negates are indeed awesome and we give back to our sorcs w/ clutch repentances lol

Whoa. Sexy.

cazlonb16_ESO

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Manoekin

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Braidas

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Should be the same 200 cost as a banner imo when they remove that.

Manoekin

Braidas wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Should be the same 200 cost as a banner imo when they remove that.

Should be less. Would trade it for banner even right now.

Clearly they'll have to make the synergy better otherwise one morph is completely useless, or the slow effect on the other morph will need to be changed to work like an oil catapult otherwise it is completely worthless. Without being a non-aoe cap spell it's completely useless.

Braidas

Manoekin wrote: »

Braidas wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Should be the same 200 cost as a banner imo when they remove that.

Should be less. Would trade it for banner even right now.

I would too....but id rather it not be super cheap....should drop it down to 200 and increase the damage or something.

wayfarerb14_ESO

I use a glyph on my weapons that returns magicka. It's worked pretty well so far. I rarely ever have to use magicka pots in pve, even when I'm running heals in a group dungeon.

Huntler

Braidas wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Should be the same 200 cost as a banner imo when they remove that.

Agreed, as mano said we have gotten pretty good at calling it out in PvP and we have someone synergize that badboy immediately. It wrecks, but without it now its just a really stupidly expensive, slightly lower damage standard with no heal debuff..... O.o. I think 200 MIGHT be a little too cheap however as still hitting 6people for 1k crits on synergy is strong, so maybe just slightly more expensive than standard. Maybe 220 or 230.

Rooty

The Aedric Spear ultimate is moderately worthless too. You have to be close to lick the other people in the armpit for it to hit them.
I don't have access to my computer right now, but it's only a 5 meter radius, ja?

Huntler

Rooty wrote: »

The Aedric Spear ultimate is moderately worthless too. You have to be close to lick the other people in the armpit for it to hit them.
I don't have access to my computer right now, but it's only a 5 meter radius, ja?

Yeah, its 5 meter, you basically have to be inside somebody to hit them and for it to have a decent benefit it has to hit 4+ people... (lol) even with noobs stacking up the radius is so small that you need a big clump.

Thechemicals

No they dont. spells are cheap as dirt and better magicka will just make infinite heal spam and shield spam.

Braidas

Manoekin wrote: »

Braidas wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Should be the same 200 cost as a banner imo when they remove that.

Should be less. Would trade it for banner even right now.

Clearly they'll have to make the synergy better otherwise one morph is completely useless, or the slow effect on the other morph will need to be changed to work like an oil catapult otherwise it is completely worthless. Without being a non-aoe cap spell it's completely useless.

The snare workin like an oil cat for a 200 cost nova could be pretty nice in breaches and such.

Braidas

Huntler wrote: »

Rooty wrote: »

The Aedric Spear ultimate is moderately worthless too. You have to be close to lick the other people in the armpit for it to hit them.
I don't have access to my computer right now, but it's only a 5 meter radius, ja?

Yeah, its 5 meter, you basically have to be inside somebody to hit them and for it to have a decent benefit it has to hit 4+ people... (lol) even with noobs stacking up the radius is so small that you need a big clump.

Def need to increase the radius lol...maybe If they did that and change the armor/spell resist buff to a dmg shield or just straight up mitigation...and add a low health crit or just more dmg so u can use it as an executioner. Could be interesting.

cazlonb16_ESO

Manoekin wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't mind some slightly improved ultimate generation or somewhat decreased cost of certain ultimates either. Nova isn't bad, but Veil of Blades and Standard are even better and I can use them substantially more often on my NB and DK respectively.

This is another big hindrance in getting Templar DPS up to at least reasonable levels.

Nova is amazing until next patch when they nerf it. Currently the synergy has no aoe cap, and people in my group regularly get x15 1k crits using it. They're going to have to lower it if they're bringing it in line with other ultimates since that is the only thing it has going for it right now.

Yea I was talking about the version on PTS. Right now it's worth the cost, but we all knew it's not working as intended and would be fixed sooner rather than later.