Leveling too slow

Jitterbug

Hi,

I have recently returned from a break from the game and am enjoying my time in Tamriel, but I have just gone from the normal leveling zones to the veteran content, and since the first veteran zone I have finished all the quests but am still only half way through the level.
Right now, for example, I have finished the vr3 zone but have 40% to go before I'm vr4.
Is there something I am missing? It was the same in both the vr1 and the vr2 zone.
I have PvP'ed a little, but I like doing that for fun and not because I need 40% of a vet level.

Tabbycat

Jitterbug wrote: »

Hi,

I have recently returned from a break from the game and am enjoying my time in Tamriel, but I have just gone from the normal leveling zones to the veteran content, and since the first veteran zone I have finished all the quests but am still only half way through the level.
Right now, for example, I have finished the vr3 zone but have 40% to go before I'm vr4.
Is there something I am missing? It was the same in both the vr1 and the vr2 zone.
I have PvP'ed a little, but I like doing that for fun and not because I need 40% of a vet level.

This will change (for the better) once the patch on the PTS hits live.

Veteran Rank Improvements

We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank on accounts in preparation for the Champion System. Veteran Ranks are now earned by Experience Points instead of Veteran Points. From this moment on, Veteran Points shall be banished from the land of Tamriel. When a Veteran Rank is earned, you will be rewarded with an Attribute Point and a Skill Point.
Reduced the amount of Health, Magicka, and Stamina rewarded on a Veteran Rank gain by 35% to compensate for the new Attribute Points rewarded.
It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to greatly reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/135688/pts-patch-notes-v1-5/p1

Syntse

Did you also do the starting island(s) on the veteran?

freespirit

Also make sure you do all 3 Dolmens, all 6 Delves and all 6 World Bosses in each area as these give high xp in Veteran areas.

My latest VR character is in the VR4 area about half way through and is about to hit VR5......

Also I walk everywhere and kill everything, doing the Group and Public Dungeons really helps too.

Nestor

If you do just the quests for Caldwell, then you will get 60% to 80% of the exp needed for each zone to level a VR Rank. The rest can be made up with Bosses and some side quests.

Basically, if you get the Adventurer Achv for the Zone (the one for doing a certain number of quests) and kill some Bosses you will get a VR Rank per zone.

It's really bad if your starting Caldwell while your character is in the high 40's as that will take some grinding to catch up.

Jitterbug

First, thank you all for your informative and polite responses.
To clarify I have done all quests I have been able to find, of course including the Caldwell ones. I have skipped group dungeons, dolmens, and world bosses so thanks for that tip.
I started on the starter islands for the new faction after turning vr1 in Coldharbour.
Thanks again for your help, I'll go see if I can rustle up a group for the harder zone content. :-)

Rune_Relic

Know what you mean....had to do the whole of glenumbra to jump 1 VR level. Looks like I have to do the whole of stormhaven to get another level.

That's vastly different to the 5 levels or more per zone in the 1-50 stuff. I too was shocked at the difference in the levelling experience. Juts feels like you are treading water going nowhere.

Unknown_poster

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Rosveen

Jitterbug wrote: »

First, thank you all for your informative and polite responses.
I have skipped group dungeons, dolmens, and world bosses so thanks for that tip.

Bad decision. One of my characters reached VR3 doing nothing but this content + public dungeons (no quests at all) and she still has two Silver zones left. It isn't enough to keep her at the zone-appropriate level, but it is clearly a substantial amount of veteran points.

Nestor

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Know what you mean....had to do the whole of glenumbra to jump 1 VR level. Looks like I have to do the whole of stormhaven to get another level.

That is kind of how it's designed, one VR Rank per Zone, 5 Zones for each Alliance, 10 Zones, 10 VR Ranks.

You don't have to complete the zones, you just have to do most of them. It also depends on how much you spend grinding public and group dungeons to for those achievements, that can go a long way to gaining the points needed.

For example, I was more than 25% of the way through VR2 in Grahtwood just doing the quests along the Southern Road between Vulkhel Guard and Southpoint (Northpoint? what ever is at the Western end of that road)

Jitterbug

Rosveen wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

First, thank you all for your informative and polite responses.
I have skipped group dungeons, dolmens, and world bosses so thanks for that tip.

Bad decision.

maybe so, but I find it hard to solo that content.

elowan

To the OP: This is exactly as intended.

As a previous poster noted, the system is very simple. Cadwell's Silver = 5 zones, each one VR rank up from the other (VR1-VR5, as you go through the zones). Cadwell's Gold is another 5 zones, each one VR rank up from the other (VR5-VR10). You should expect to be able to gain one VR per zone.

I've done it a few times now, and in my experience, the XP is tuned fairly tightly. If you don't do any group dungeons, but you do an adventurer-achievement-level of quests, plus the 3x dolmen, plus the 6x WBs, plus the 6x delves, you should make slightly over 1 VR rank per zone. (e.g. one of my characters did 100% of everything in Silver/Gold, but zero group dungeons / pvp in that time - he ended up at VR 10.9, essentially over-leveling by ~4M VR points across 10 major zones). You can stay at parity (one VR/zone) by doing a bit less than an obsessive-compulsive quantity of quest/dolmen/delves.

Obviously, the more PVP / Group dungeons / other content that gives VR points you do while you're doing Cadwell's Silver/Gold, the less completionist you have to be in order to stay at zone/level parity.

As for whether this is too slow.. I hate to open up the Veteran solo content debate again, as it's been discussed ad nauseum. I love quest content, and it was a decent time for me.. the first time all the way through. I've been less pleased with it subsequent times (on alts). Some people skip it altogether, as noted above, and just grind it out. There are significant changes on the horizon for post L50, some of which should make the whole process less painful. If running the Cadwell gauntlet is driving you nuts, or just making you hate the game, I suggest trying something new (alt / crafting / exploring / whatever) until the changes drop.

eserras7b16_ESO

To level fast:

-Main Quest
-World Bosses
-Dolmens
-Dungeons

That's it if a normal quest gives you 2k points, then a Dolmen gives you 22k.

Jitterbug

Thanks to the newest posts, and I can see how the "too slow" headline might confuse - I don't mean to complain that it's "too slow", merely I ask how it can be that I'm not getting a level per zone, and it has been answered - so thank you :-)

TehMagnus

Just Grind It

Jitterbug

I don't mind grinding per se, but I must admit I'm much more of a fan of questing. And I actually like the whole Cadwell thing, although it's not the strongest idea story-wise I find it really fun to visit the other factions and I would be hard pressed to mention one single quest I thought was bad. The vast majority of them are well done, well written and fun to play. They really put the ES in ESO in my opinion.

Furthermore I'm not a very skilled player, so I need all the practice I can get. And what better practice than silly mobs :-P

Right now I'm working on following the excellent advice from this thread and getting groups together for the content that's too hard for me to solo (read: I'm not skilled enough to do solo). I can't solo group delves, dolmens, or most world bosses. It might be a build thing of course, and I don't really mind seeing as it's designed to be for groups or at least good players.

I play a melee, stamina-heavy sorc, and that's fun for me - it might not be min-max but I like the way my build plays, and what's the point of gaming if it's not fun?
That being said I am of course open to advice on build or playstyle aswell.
I'm playing with two daggers, focused on crit for heals (surge) and popping lightning shield as often as possible (as to not die and proc c-frags). The two dw skills are the healing bleed and flying dagger. I'm 7/7 medium with 49 points in health and all enchants stamina.
I usually average around 400 dps in fights but can peak at a little under 800 when everything crits and procs. Oh, and I'm vr3.
The other weapon is a utility bar (purge and stuff) where I have a resto staff equipped. I use it on some boss fights with streak.
Thoughts?

spryler

I also stop and do those little mini events that drop randomly around the zones.
-The ones where 3 Daedra drop from the sky in a blue circle, you kill those, then 2 more (one elite) drops.
-The summoners you find that have a portal half open and Daedra spawn when you approach.

Nestor

Jitterbug wrote: »

I play a melee, stamina-heavy sorc, and that's fun for me - it might not be min-max but I like the way my build plays, and what's the point of gaming if it's not fun?

Thoughts?

A Sorcerer with Stamina? Hmm....

If you like that build style, my I suggest you get a second set of armor and weapons that is all Magic Glyphs. Then swap out as needed for a dungeon or situation. I think there is even an addon that makes this quite easy and fast to do.

Also, a Medium Armor DW should be getting some serious burst damage, taking out single non boss mobs in one hit, or getting a 1/3 to 1/2 a boss' health in the first strike. Are you leveraging Sneak Criticals? From Behind the Mob?

Have you done anything to give you more Critical Strike? My NB ha 67% Crit Chance with no Buffs (other than some PvP buff that I have) on DW and 52% Spell Critical. There are crafted sets, mundus stones and weapon traits that will increase your criticals. Crits may not be as important in PvP, but they are essential in PvE.

If you need someone to make you a set of Hundings Rage/Night Mother for max Crits, PM me and we can work something out.

Also, on my NB, I split my skill bar to put magic based skills on one side, and stamina based skills on the other. I use up one side of the bar until depleted, then use the other side while the first regens. I can pretty much keep using skills for the entire fight and not use any potions.

Speaking of which, do you need Stamina Potions? I have scads of them for sale at one of the guild stores. PM me in the game and I will tell you which one (Its in Riften or Daggerfall).

Jitterbug

Thanks a bunch man :-)
In currently strapped for cash but I will hit you up when I have some gold!

Merlin13KAGL

Dailies in Cyrodill give you about 20k VP's each, as I recall, and there are plenty to be had.

On Dolmens, get someone to help you - you can do it with two. One takes a bit more specifics. Remember, there are other people there that need it too and those that need the Generals. Announce the opening in zone chat, and someone will usually assist.

Good VP's on Dolmens, esp if a General is summoned. Same with world bosses.

Group Dungeons, if you can find a good group to run with are repeatable and the VP return is huge.

I won't mention how far overleveled I am with Silver, mostly from doing Vet Group Dungeons. I've barely set foot in Craglorn (just to look around) and I'm just now starting the third Vet Zone on Silver.

I was able to go from Vet 1 - Vet 4 in about a week doing nothing but dungeon runs. You get quest credit, a skillpoint, great experience, and your Undaunted Line goes up. You won't solo them, but they are worth the time to run with a group.

If you've done the normal group dungeons, they're a big step up (don't assume a Vet 1 zone Group Dungeon = Vet 1 content), but you'll have a basis to start from.

If you haven't done the normals, take the time to do that now, before 1.5 hits and scaling is implemented. You get quest credit and Skillpoints from each.