When Update 5 drops......

WraithAzraiel

TL;DR: Will we be retroactively granted the experience for discoveries and other XP-granting activities that we accomplished prior to the switch from VP to XP, once said switch goes live in Update 5? Yes, no, or "Wait and See!"


I posted this in PvE Discussions, figured I'd try the Ask a Question function to see if I get any response.

Trying to get the question as specific as possible, here's all my posts from the previous thread, to which no answer was given.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

DEUTSCHE PTS-PATCHNOTIZEN v1.5
Notes de version PTS 1.5

Veteran Rank Improvements

• We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank on accounts in preparation for the Champion System. Veteran Ranks are now earned by Experience Points instead of Veteran Points. From this moment on, Veteran Points shall be banished from the land of Tamriel. When a Veteran Rank is earned, you will be rewarded with an Attribute Point and a Skill Point.
• Reduced the amount of Health, Magicka, and Stamina rewarded on a Veteran Rank gain by 35% to compensate for the new Attribute Points rewarded.
• It takes 1,432,550 Experience Points to gain a Veteran Rank. We expect this to greatly reduce the amount of time it takes to gain a Veteran Rank.

Soooooo does this mean that when Update 5 goes live, we'll be getting experience for all the wayshrines, Points of Interest and other things that gave us xp from 1-50 but not VP?

I mean to ask, has all this been backlogged and ready to drop on those of us who have put forth the effort to get all the Achieveables and points of interests and kill World Bosses and this and that, will be getting what's owed them in regards to XP they missed out on?

Or am I just wrong and we were given VP for finding Points of Interest and discovering new locations and I just hadn't noticed?

Will we be getting all that "potential" XP when Update 5 goes live? Or only when the Champion System is fully launched?

This is what I'm hoping to get clarification for from @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ or @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or someone else in the know.

For instance will I log in the day Update 5 goes live and magically be V14 or something like that due to the reduction of points needed for Vet ranks and the moving from VP to XP?

My question is - seeing as how I and I'm sure many MANY others had attained Veteran Rank shortly after launch, how long have they been tracking this XP? Exactly what kind of "XP" have they been tracking? Extra kills? New location discovery? Quest turn-ins? Wayshrine discoveries?

Take my character for instance, I got him to V2 before WildStar launched, took a break from the "All Work, No Reward" feel of the 50+ areas to go play WildStar - came back to the game a month or so later when they had tweaked rewards and whatnot and proceeded to PvP and Quest and Grind occasionally until here I am 20% away from V13.

When Update 5 goes live, will I be getting all that "backpay" for the new quest zones I discovered, new wayshrines I picked up, everything that once gave XP but does not award VP, will I see that all fall into place at once and SURPRISE I log in on day 1 of Update 5 and I'm magically V14?

How's this going to work?

I mean, I don't feel like I'm asking for something for nothing here, we discovered the points of interests, the camps and dens and caves and whatnot, we unlocked the wayshrines, you name it.

We put in the work, will we be getting the reward? If so, has a date/time been specified?

How has it been tracked? Is there a hard date/time that the tracking began? If we gained XP before this "tracking" began are we just SOL or will there be some sort of retroactive grant system based on the Achievements earned on specific characters?

IE: If I have all the Pathfinder and Explorer Acheivements for several Veteran Zones (as I understand it now, discovering new locations never granted VP) will the system read and acknowledge that I have discovered all the necessary locations for those achievements and retroactively grant adequate XP based on their completion?

Guppet

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

According to @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ our Veteran rank will not move when Update 5 goes live.

Soooo I guess all of us that missed out on getting XP credit toward our next Veteran Rank by participating in activities that did NOT award VP are just SoL.

Sooo pretty much confirmed we get screwed then

Gilvoth

i would love to know the answers to your questions also.

WraithAzraiel

Yep, waiting for answers from On High.

Gythral

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Yep, waiting for answers from On High.

Hermaeus Mora has decided to avoid this area of discussion and hopes that some less deity will step up with an answer.

Tabbycat

From what I understand it means that your character will continue to progress through the Veteran ranks the same way that you did through regular questing. You'll earn experience and you'll get a point you can put towards skills and one you can put towards attributes at each level. Eventually they will do away with Veteran ranks altogether when the Champion system is implemented.

If you already had a VR14 character, when you log in you'll find your character has been given all the attribute and skill points for you to spend that you would have gotten if you'd leveled up to VR14 through the new system.

Supposedly they are tracking your explorer XP and any other XP you've done up to the patch (whenever it goes live) so you'll get credited that XP. But I don't know exactly how that part works.

Rodario

I assume we'll be back-credited with XP, yes. At least that's how I read it.

Maotti

From the little i've been on the PTS then yes, you will get XP when discovering things even after reaching VR14.

At least FTC says so.

WraithAzraiel

Outstanding but what I want to know is if we'll be retroactively granted all the XP for stuff we've already discovered prior to the switch from VP to XP.

I'm hoping someone at ZOS catches wind and can give us a definitive yes or a definitive "Wait and see!"

ShirleyShine

I'm months away from your levels, [V3] but am curious about this too.
I read about it, and wondered just what they'd do.
It just doesn't seem right that those who reached hard won high level Vet ranks [like you guys] don't get the rewards for it.
I have one or two 'big boy vet' friends with multiple V14 characters, and think they should all get rewarded.

Syntse

If you are under VR14 nothing is tracked for you and you will not suddenly get more exp or gain levels when VP is transformed to XP. It even says in the notes that "We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank"

So only those who has reached the max rank will get exp past their rank which later on will turn into champion points.

Below max rank all what happens is your VP is turned into XP and you continue as you were until champion comes and you lose your VR and gain champion points based on the exp you have.

Lord_Draevan

I hope Update 5 drops soon... it currently takes over 5 million Vet Points to get from V12 to V13, so if it will become 1.4 million instead, it'll be a lot faster indeed.

Heishi

This update concerns me a bit looking forward.

"When a Veteran Rank is earned, you will be rewarded with an Attribute Point and a Skill Point."

They noted that they will reduce all 3 stat gains by 35% per vet rank which is fine. I get it.

My concern is when they introduce the Champion system, are they just going to take those attribute points away? The Champ system's not supposed to have a cap really, will we get an indefinite number of attributes for each level in that. Are they going to just leave these attributes and cut it off for others?

Possibly most important is why are they reinventing the wheel on the vet system when they are going to replace it anyway.

WraithAzraiel

Syntse wrote: »

If you are under VR14 nothing is tracked for you and you will not suddenly get more exp or gain levels when VP is transformed to XP. It even says in the notes that "We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank"

So only those who has reached the max rank will get exp past their rank which later on will turn into champion points.

Below max rank all what happens is your VP is turned into XP and you continue as you were until champion comes and you lose your VR and gain champion points based on the exp you have.

I understand how the Champion system and it's roll out will work, it's great, awesome but the question still remains, what about those of us who aren't max but are still Vet ranks? Do we get kicked to the wayside and offered a "Better luck next time!" for our troubles? Or will we see reward for the work we put in?

Should I continue through Cadwell's Gold and discover more locations, open more wayshrines and other things that grant no VP and hope it will be retroactively translated into adequate XP or should I just put that on hold until Update 5 drops?

If there is no system in place to safeguard the expenditure of our game time, then that sucks.

If this is the case then we're getting shafted out of a rather large amount of XP. Max levels included. Which would kinda suck for everybody. Max levels included.

Unless there is a retroactive system that will be enacted to read our achievements (Master Explorer, Pathfinder etc specifically) and grant XP based on locations we've discovered since becoming a Veteran and losing out on the XP we would've gained had Veteran Points never existed in the first place.

Regardless, I'm holding out hope for an answer from someone at ZOS.

Kartalin

So if I'm currently vr 9, with the 1.5 patch do I instantly become vr 14? Because I think I have enough vet points for that (assuming a 1 to 1 conversion of vet points to exp points).

Edit: Nevermind, finished reading the thread.

WraithAzraiel

milthalas wrote: »

So if I'm currently vr 9, with the 1.5 patch do I instantly become vr 14? Because I think I have enough vet points for that (assuming a 1 to 1 conversion of vet points to exp points).

No idea, trying to figure that out.

As it stands I don't think you'll just POOF be V14 but I think we should at least have our current VP translated and the things for which we would have gotten XP translated as well.

We'll see, either when 5 drops or when a ZOS employee decides to answer our question.

Syntse

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Regardless, I'm holding out hope for an answer from someone at ZOS.

Ok fair enough. Hopefully we'll get official answer. But my understanding is that nothing is recorded from below v14, only exp of those that have gathered beyond v14.

I've been in impression that place discoveries etc do also give VP but maybe I'll need to check that in game to be sure. Personally I don't think I've lost so much if it turns out not to be the case.

EDIT: tested and indeed you do not get exploration VP but that has been always then I think.

MercutioElessar

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i would love to know the answers to your questions also.

dito on that

BCBasher

I was just listening to the guild summit audio on the cp system and they were talking about limit ting how much xp past vr14 they'll convert to cp. Is there any word on what that limit is going to be? I'm by no means a 20 hour a day no lifer but I've been putting in a dedicated effort to bank xp with the help of some rapid respawning craglorn bosses. As far as I'm concerned I'm entitled to benifit from this strategy and not get penolized for them not just fixing the exploitable bosses.

Kartalin

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

No idea, trying to figure that out.

As it stands I don't think you'll just POOF be V14 but I think we should at least have our current VP translated and the things for which we would have gotten XP translated as well.

We'll see, either when 5 drops or when a ZOS employee decides to answer our question.

At this point I have 70% of the vet points earned towards vr 10. I think I might go ahead and get to 10 before the 1.5 update just in case they do something crazy like leaving us at the same vet rank but resetting us to the beginning of that rank for xp purposes. Because I can totally see that happening.

Nihil

BCBasher wrote: »

I was just listening to the guild summit audio on the cp system and they were talking about limit ting how much xp past vr14 they'll convert to cp. Is there any word on what that limit is going to be? I'm by no means a 20 hour a day no lifer but I've been putting in a dedicated effort to bank xp with the help of some rapid respawning craglorn bosses. As far as I'm concerned I'm entitled to benifit from this strategy and not get penolized for them not just fixing the exploitable bosses.

Keep in mind Vet points are not always equivalent to xp. If leveling skills is any indicator of xp gain, then some parts of craglorn give a large amount less exp then the vp equivalent (burial mounds the little I have done gave little xp to the skills on my skill bar when we completed it). Honestly they have gave temp bans before for people exploiting before so I don't see that reasoning as the safest fyi XD.

milthalas wrote: »

So if I'm currently vr 9, with the 1.5 patch do I instantly become vr 14? Because I think I have enough vet points for that (assuming a 1 to 1 conversion of vet points to exp points).

Edit: Nevermind, finished reading the thread.

Pretty sure VP will not be a 1:1 equivalent, as right now enemies that normally give reduced xp also are giving normal vet points (swarms / skeevers)

WraithAzraiel

Nihil wrote: »

BCBasher wrote: »

I was just listening to the guild summit audio on the cp system and they were talking about limit ting how much xp past vr14 they'll convert to cp. Is there any word on what that limit is going to be? I'm by no means a 20 hour a day no lifer but I've been putting in a dedicated effort to bank xp with the help of some rapid respawning craglorn bosses. As far as I'm concerned I'm entitled to benifit from this strategy and not get penolized for them not just fixing the exploitable bosses.

Keep in mind Vet points are not always equivalent to xp. If leveling skills is any indicator of xp gain, then some parts of craglorn give a large amount less exp then the vp equivalent (burial mounds the little I have done gave little xp to the skills on my skill bar when we completed it). Honestly they have gave temp bans before for people exploiting before so I don't see that reasoning as the safest fyi XD.

milthalas wrote: »

So if I'm currently vr 9, with the 1.5 patch do I instantly become vr 14? Because I think I have enough vet points for that (assuming a 1 to 1 conversion of vet points to exp points).

Edit: Nevermind, finished reading the thread.

Pretty sure VP will not be a 1:1 equivalent, as right now enemies that normally give reduced xp also are giving normal vet points (swarms / skeevers)

All well and good.

Not the question I'm asking though.

What I want to know is if we'll be granted the XP for things that we USED to get XP for, before reaching Vet levels?

Like discovering mundus stones, finding points of interest, unlocking wayshrines, etc etc

Nihil

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

BCBasher wrote: »

I was just listening to the guild summit audio on the cp system and they were talking about limit ting how much xp past vr14 they'll convert to cp. Is there any word on what that limit is going to be? I'm by no means a 20 hour a day no lifer but I've been putting in a dedicated effort to bank xp with the help of some rapid respawning craglorn bosses. As far as I'm concerned I'm entitled to benifit from this strategy and not get penolized for them not just fixing the exploitable bosses.

Keep in mind Vet points are not always equivalent to xp. If leveling skills is any indicator of xp gain, then some parts of craglorn give a large amount less exp then the vp equivalent (burial mounds the little I have done gave little xp to the skills on my skill bar when we completed it). Honestly they have gave temp bans before for people exploiting before so I don't see that reasoning as the safest fyi XD.

milthalas wrote: »

So if I'm currently vr 9, with the 1.5 patch do I instantly become vr 14? Because I think I have enough vet points for that (assuming a 1 to 1 conversion of vet points to exp points).

Edit: Nevermind, finished reading the thread.

Pretty sure VP will not be a 1:1 equivalent, as right now enemies that normally give reduced xp also are giving normal vet points (swarms / skeevers)

All well and good.

Not the question I'm asking though.

What I want to know is if we'll be granted the XP for things that we USED to get XP for, before reaching Vet levels?

Like discovering mundus stones, finding points of interest, unlocking wayshrines, etc etc

Sadly I didn't have an answer to your question so I was just bringing up thoughts I saw on other peoples posts. I wish I had an answer but I have no way of figuring it out. Best of luck with getting an answer ^.^

coryevans_3b14_ESO

I'll answer this. Zeni will mess things up so bad with this patch and the xp conversion that it will cause serious problems for at least a month. There you go .

rokas.juodeikisb16_ESO

You will still get VR ranks, up to VR14, but instead of getting old type VR points (Which are only awarded for certain type of monster and quests (VP=~0.1*EXP)) you will get VR points which act exactly as EXP does (all monsters, quests, exploration VP=EXP). This basically means you will level much, much faster.

Raapnaap

Hey folks,

I recently re-subbed because I like the direction the game is going with the champion system/VR removal, justice system, and updated delves, etc. (And also because I'm incredibly bored but that's another subject entirely).

I am currently VR10 as that's mostly where I left my character one month post-launch, so I have also been wondering the exact same thing people have mentioned in this thread; What will happen to all the exploration/discovery stuff and anything else that is being changed to regular full experience gain? Will we retroactively receive the missing experience and are therefore all clear to keep playing, or will we get nothing and is it better to stop playing entirely until Update 5 rolls out?

I read that apparently VR14 players will receive some form of retroactive experience gain in preparation for the champion system, but since I can't attain the last 4 veteran ranks before Update 5 hits, the question is essentially am I screwed or not?

Hopefully ZOS can answer this soon.

Merlin13KAGL

You have earned XP's from Day 1.

Every discovery, every chest opened, every enemy slain (within 5 levels) have granted XP's. They simply cease to be visible after Vet 1.

Equally, they have indicated they have been keeping track of XP's earned even after level cap.

So, yes, you will get credit, in whatever converted form they decide for all you have done along the way.

WraithAzraiel

rokas.juodeikisb16_ESO wrote: »

You will still get VR ranks, up to VR14, but instead of getting old type VR points (Which are only awarded for certain type of monster and quests (VP=~0.1*EXP)) you will get VR points which act exactly as EXP does (all monsters, quests, exploration VP=EXP). This basically means you will level much, much faster.

Incorrect. If you read the portion of the patch notes that I quoted, it clearly states Veteran Points are being done away with and we're going back to the same experience points that were used from lvl 1- 50. Which to me, means you will be getting experience for everything in the Veteran zones that you got experience for in the pre-veteran zones.

Such as: discovering points of interest (Pathfinder achievements), discovering Mundus stones in the zone, unlocking wayshrines and anything else that doesn't give you VP but gave you EXP.

As it stands right now, the only thing you get VP for is killing critters and handing in quests. That's it. Which makes exploration and map completion a waste of time unless you're after all the achievements, even the achievements don't give you anything besides dyes.

What is the point of the achievement points?

WraithAzraiel

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You have earned XP's from Day 1.

Every discovery, every chest opened, every enemy slain (within 5 levels) have granted XP's. They simply cease to be visible after Vet 1.

Equally, they have indicated they have been keeping track of XP's earned even after level cap.

So, yes, you will get credit, in whatever converted form they decide for all you have done along the way.

I'm hoping this is the case. I hate doing something for nothing. Not enough reward for the amount of work I put in is why my wife and I took a break from the game in May.

Either road, I and the rest of us would very much like a definitive answer from the Powers that Be.

Natjur

The way I read all the patch notes, I thought eveyone had two counts
EXP (keeps building up, but not displayed once at L50)
Vet EXP (does not build up once maxed)

Once you get to L50, your exp still counts up but you can't see it and your vet levels is based on Vet exp instead.

When patch 1.5 comes out, you will see how much exp you have build up past L50 and this will be converted into Champion System points. You will still have vet ranks with V14 being the cap but vet exp will no longer exist, if your not max level, normal exp will be used to level vet levels instead.

When patch 1.6 comes out, all your Vet Exp (that you have stored as V1 to V14) will also get converted also into Champion System point and now max level will be 50 (or L60 will be max and only V10 To V14 gets converted to Champion System point, they still working out what will be max level)

killedbyping

Does this change means that i will finaly be able to reach VR14 by solo grinding my lovely zombies in coldharbor ?

kongkim

Do not hope they just boost our level. i like to see the other areas and do the questing and till gain my levels on the way.