How to easy counter DK scales or DDP/group/gngbng with Psycho S Mantis

Metalxead

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

If you dont have SA, just listen what *pro* TIPS!

1) Use siege.
2) Call friends.
3) If first and second didnt work, just run away! (C)

neiljwd

Did he die'd?

james_vestbergb16_ESO

Ghostbusters?

Rylana

Looks like some kinda DBZ thing going on in this thread.

Cody

*all of a sudden, a barrage of venom arrows hits and stuns all of you*


if im on my VR12, which only has a bow, I just run away when a DK uses scales.

on the char I am currently using, I get out my battle axe and charge them:D

Xeniph

If you happen to be flushed with or are speced for stamina, Silver Bolts and all it's morphs completely ignore dragon scales. Ie...none of it is reflected.

msawwan2ub17_ESO

Xeniph wrote: »

If you happen to be flushed with or are speced for stamina, Silver Bolts and all it's morphs completely ignore dragon scales. Ie...none of it is reflected.

some vamp DK reported that silverbolts proc can be reflected. so if that 5% proc on that vamp dk while his wings are up, say good bye to your health. lol

not sure if its true though


@op, awesome pic. lol

Isbilen

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

some vamp DK reported that silverbolts proc can be reflected. so if that 5% proc on that vamp dk while his wings are up, say good bye to your health. lol

not sure if its true though

This is false. It will proc on the target even if he has scales up.

Soulac

Psycho probably only lost his shields against the triple Soulstrike

Maulkin

Soulac wrote: »

Psycho probably only lost his shields against the triple Soulstrike

He probably lost his life, never mind the shields.

themdogesbite

Or you know, try and understand game mechanics! Scales is a L2P issue. I'll give you a hint; templars is a reflecting DK's worst nightmare. What skill to use i will let you figure out on your own.

Soulac

Oh maybe u mean this reflect bubble.. That breakable skill.
Rly useful against Dks who using arena set.
If you mean an another good skill, well what are NB and Sorcs supposed to do?
Conter with S&B reflect? Haha forget it, it cost way to much to kill a Dk.
Heavy resto attack? Crushing shock + dmg way too low
Melee? Suicide.

As a NB I don't have problems against Dks, but I think Dks are the perfect allrounder and if they play well nearly unkillable. Same for group fights.
My duels with on of the best Dks on the EU megaserver lasts for around 20-30 minutes.

Metalxead

S&B + DK skills synergies just too god, this is main Issue here.

DK as class, lack of long range skills, gap closer, and execute, beside this DK got any skill for almost any situation in the game.

ADD here S&B, you got gap closer, insane tankiness with shield, pay something? None.. just pure upgrade and must have here.

ADD here destro staff - resto staff + scales = uninterruptable from range heavy/force shock spam. Someone try to fight melee vs DK? go S&B and spam roots+flame lash from block, no one can outdps this no even need ash cloud here.

Just nerf S&B (reduce outcome DMG 50-75% while S&B equiped), so DK will pay price almost not doin DMG from S&B, or they pick 2h make dmg, but same time pay their tankiness. Simple!

p.s. and whole permablock meta goes away.

yamadas

Cool *pro* TIPS!

Next time you should try to have more SA

kingmalice

Im not a vampire so silver bolts tickles me these guys are so bad they have to result to this

Maulkin

Metalxead wrote: »

DK as class, lack of long range skills, gap closer, and execute, beside this DK got any skill for almost any situation in the game.

I agree with some parts of your post but this sentence I find funny. So the DK does not have half the stuff, but it has almost everything?

It has:
- Good instant melee damage skills
- Good heals and damage mititgation (via scales)
- Good PBAoEs
- Good CC

It doesn't have:
- Executes
- Any ranged spells
- Any escapes, you forgot escapes


However I agree with you, block casting is very strong in this game and makes S&B builds optimal for 3/4 classes.

ZOS said they are already looking at making changes to combat so there is balance between being defensive and being offensive so you can't do both equally well at the same time.

When those changes happen we can take stock again and see where the game's at.

aclarkob14_ESO

james_vestbergb16_ESO wrote: »

Ghostbusters?

Just remember never to cross the streams!

Night-claw

guh i hate this as a Dk xD i remeber getting a negate magic just for me that templar bubble thing and sa from 3 different directions like the pic not even my shields or dragon blood could save me. good show guys! we need more tactic's like this

and not qq on thee from most of the time.

Soris

look at all the money he have

Xeniph

I can assure you, properly stamina speced, silver bolts does not simply "tickle" anyone. my base damage for silver bolts in my current spec is 415. Seeing as I can spam it around 10 times, I have killed non-vamp, wing spamming, DK's with it numerous times.
It is one of the best options for a stamina based range spec toon. For most bow users, it's nearly as effective as poison arrow spam, with reflect down.
And certain classes can tie it with an ability to make it a crit, every cast.

But hey, it was just a tip fitting the OP's topic, take it as you will

Tankqull

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

Maulkin

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

Also, considering the DoT from a single Soul Assault is ~800DPS, 3x800 = 2.4k. You'll take that as initial damage and then you'll purge but the 3rd DoT (unremoved) will hit you before you get to cast purge twice.

So even if you've got purge on your main bar and react instantly you'll still take 3.2k dmg, which will probably kill you. Never seen anyone survive a triple soul assault.

Soris

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

ritual removes 5 negative effects at rank 4

Lfehova

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

Also, considering the DoT from a single Soul Assault is ~800DPS, 3x800 = 2.4k. You'll take that as initial damage and then you'll purge but the 3rd DoT (unremoved) will hit you before you get to cast purge twice.

So even if you've got purge on your main bar and react instantly you'll still take 3.2k dmg, which will probably kill you. Never seen anyone survive a triple soul assault.

Challenge accepted.

Maulkin

Lfehova wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

Also, considering the DoT from a single Soul Assault is ~800DPS, 3x800 = 2.4k. You'll take that as initial damage and then you'll purge but the 3rd DoT (unremoved) will hit you before you get to cast purge twice.

So even if you've got purge on your main bar and react instantly you'll still take 3.2k dmg, which will probably kill you. Never seen anyone survive a triple soul assault.

Challenge accepted.

Cool I'm keen to see that.

Maulkin

faernaa wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

ritual removes 5 negative effects at rank 4

Good point, not a Templar myself, so I excuse myself for this mistake :P

Lfehova

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK must pay a price!
Just remember, when you use SA on any DK, world become's little bit better.

and "one purge to rule dem all"

No, both efficient purge and purifying ritual remove up to 2 effects from you. The 3rd will still hit for an extra sec until you purge twice.

Also, considering the DoT from a single Soul Assault is ~800DPS, 3x800 = 2.4k. You'll take that as initial damage and then you'll purge but the 3rd DoT (unremoved) will hit you before you get to cast purge twice.

So even if you've got purge on your main bar and react instantly you'll still take 3.2k dmg, which will probably kill you. Never seen anyone survive a triple soul assault.

Challenge accepted.

Cool I'm keen to see that.

I need to find 3 people to soul assault me.

Anyone want to soul assault me for educational purposes?

Must be non-DC because I'm DC.

Valymer

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK as class, lack of long range skills, gap closer, and execute, beside this DK got any skill for almost any situation in the game.

I agree with some parts of your post but this sentence I find funny. So the DK does not have half the stuff, but it has almost everything?

It has:
- Good instant melee damage skills
- Good heals and damage mititgation (via scales)
- Good PBAoEs
- Good CC

It doesn't have:
- Executes
- Any ranged spells
- Any escapes, you forgot escapes


However I agree with you, block casting is very strong in this game and makes S&B builds optimal for 3/4 classes.

ZOS said they are already looking at making changes to combat so there is balance between being defensive and being offensive so you can't do both equally well at the same time.

When those changes happen we can take stock again and see where the game's at.

I think what he is saying is that DKs don't get that stuff from their class abilities, but when you combine their class abilities with the ones that they can pick up from the weapon trees then all of a sudden they have seemingly everything with not really any disadvantages.

Telel

Next time a humble khajiit sees you clearing the walls in a siege they shall be happy to do as you request, oh leader of The Hovafriends.

They shall also endeavour to test out their trap skill to see how it fares. Purely for your entertainment of course as they would never be so rude as to wish to eradicate you for annoying them repeatedly. Never.

Maulkin

Valymer wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Metalxead wrote: »

DK as class, lack of long range skills, gap closer, and execute, beside this DK got any skill for almost any situation in the game.

I agree with some parts of your post but this sentence I find funny. So the DK does not have half the stuff, but it has almost everything?

It has:
- Good instant melee damage skills
- Good heals and damage mititgation (via scales)
- Good PBAoEs
- Good CC

It doesn't have:
- Executes
- Any ranged spells
- Any escapes, you forgot escapes


However I agree with you, block casting is very strong in this game and makes S&B builds optimal for 3/4 classes.

ZOS said they are already looking at making changes to combat so there is balance between being defensive and being offensive so you can't do both equally well at the same time.

When those changes happen we can take stock again and see where the game's at.

I think what he is saying is that DKs don't get that stuff from their class abilities, but when you combine their class abilities with the ones that they can pick up from the weapon trees then all of a sudden they have seemingly everything with not really any disadvantages.

Not really though. Some stuff you can't get from weapon lines, like escapes. Other stuff you can get but it'll affect your existing abilities.

For example to get an execute you'd have to use Reverse Slash. For Reverse Slash to do any decent damage even at execute range (more than my 500dmg Flame Whips at least), I'd have to spec for Stamina and weapon power which pretty much removes the sustainability of my awesome, class-based, defensive skills. So it's a trade off and a bad one.

The only thing you could get is a ranged skill with crushing shock, yet again there is a bit of a compromise there, because:
a) you have to spec yourself for weapon damage to be effective when all your other skills scale with spell damage and
b) you have to actually have a destro staff equipped.

What you're describing is akin to NBs saying "oh but I don't have Scales or Green Dragon Blood" and me replying "Well, go get Defensive Posture and Healing Ward then".

They're alternatives, but nowhere near as efficient and we both know it. You can't compare Reverse Slash to Impale or Mage's Fury and you can't compare Crushing Shock to Crystal Frags and Swallow Soul. It's how it is.

Lfehova

Ralhir wrote: »

Next time a humble khajiit sees you clearing the walls in a siege they shall be happy to do as you request, oh leader of The Hovafriends.

They shall also endeavour to test out their trap skill to see how it fares. Purely for your entertainment of course as they would never be so rude as to wish to eradicate you for annoying them repeatedly. Never.

Lol Hovafriends. Is that what people call us?

Also, why not gather like 10 friends and I'll meet you in Cyrodiil and you can take turns 3-6 striking me with soul assault. Most I've been hit with at once in Cyrodiil has been two and I've survived easy enough. I'd love to try 3 or more at one time