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GL thieves in Justice system.....you will need it.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭There are different flavours of dk.jelliedsoup wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »With the overpowered ridiculousness of DK DPS/Tank hybrid builds. I get to go from fighting 1vs6-10 players in Cyrodil to destroying anyone who isnt a DK 1v1 in the Justice System as a guard.
BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT THIS NEW PVP. BALANCE YOUR CLASSES.
Apparently anyone who says that dks are op need to l2p by changing their play style to counter the dk.
I have been told this by dks, so dks are not op.
I suppose the question to ask is:
How many flavors of DK are there. I mean is it just one DK build that is owning or do DK's have the flexibility to play multiple roles? I think it's clear DK's have a great deal of flexibility. As such I have to ask, how is it then reasonable for other classes to become so limited by focusing a build vs DKs, and thus have far fewer viable builds than they?
That is not "balance" and I think that is the main problem with DK's. Just because there is a "way" doesn't mean it's reasonable to expect play styles to move in that direction without comment or complaint.
I mean. Things are what they are and if currently changing up and stretching your play style a bit to be competitive is what you have to do in the moment, then it is what it is and you have to do it. By no means does that mean people shouldn't petition for better balance or variety of viable playing styles.
Talons, invasion, dragon blood, flame whip reflect are the staple of dks.
Don't say there are other dk skills?
I must admit I will laugh my arse off when dks are brought in line, and all those rats desert that ship.Edited by jelliedsoup on October 13, 2014 6:13AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO43 -
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Time served != skill.ExiledKhallisi wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »That's a pretty legit concern. But, let them roll out new features and see how they work before worrying too much about it. It may not be as much of an issue as you think. Plus, class balance is an ongoing thing that will probably never be perfect - they can't hold off on adding new content just because the balance isn't perfect.
The player base have suggested plenty of changes that would fix most issues. ZOS needs to get off their high horse and listen to their players. Listening to a "Select" few at guild summit who never seem to ask the right questions is not enough. They need to get off 3rd party websites and talk to us here. Their whole customer service model is shady.
Or players need to realize that developers can't flick a magic balance switch and implement every single terrible idea that a bunch of amateurs floated in an online forum. Every action the development team has taken up to this point has showed that they listen to players (to a fault, some would argue). But unlike developers in Narnia, developers in the real world have to take the time to actually figure out which ideas are going to work in their game.
Also, I'm glad that you're really good at PvP. Most people aren't hardcore players, so I'd wager that the Justice System isn't going to be as imbalanced as you think.
Amateurs? I've (and many others*) played games longer than most of this games Dev's have been alive.
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Sublime✭✭✭✭Just a Little hint:
No game is ever going to be 100% balanced even MOBA's which are far more easier to balance than ESO are not balanced, even though they are focussed on competetive play, whereas ESO is not.
My recommendation:
Take a disadvantage as a challenge and wait for better times.EU | For those who want to improve their behaviour: the science behind shaping player bahaviour (presentation)2 -
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✭Just a Little hint:
No game is ever going to be 100% balanced even MOBA's which are far more easier to balance than ESO are not balanced, even though they are focussed on competetive play, whereas ESO is not.
My recommendation:
Take a disadvantage as a challenge and wait for better times.
There is a difference between 85% balance and 5% balanced lol.
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<=>Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »There is a difference between 85% balance and 5% balanced lol.
That's why I said ESO is no MOBA.No game is ever going to be 100% balanced even MOBA's which are far more easier to balance than ESO are not balanced, even though they are focussed on competetive play, whereas ESO is not.
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<=>Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »There is a difference between 85% balance and 5% balanced lol.
That why I said ESO is no MOBA.No game is ever going to be 100% balanced even MOBA's which are far more easier to balance than ESO are not balanced, even though they are focussed on competetive play, whereas ESO is not.
Yea and I was saying that this sentence "No game is ever going to be 100% balanced" is a bit of a cop out. The game balance is so bad that its on the other end of the scale of 100% thus the balance is "5%".
Its so so bad. Even for mmo standard. There is a reason why pvp has crumbled to a one or two campaigns that in off peak barely have combat... Because its terrible and mmo players who want "good" pvp dont stay in eso...
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æxæ✭✭✭As a sorc I think i will be slotting bolt escape again and turn thief since the "op" DK have so many ranged attacks. Does anyone consider this escape skill to be "op"? Anyways, good hunting to all you immovable dks.0 -
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✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »With the overpowered ridiculousness of DK DPS/Tank hybrid builds. I get to go from fighting 1vs6-10 players in Cyrodil to destroying anyone who isnt a DK 1v1 in the Justice System as a guard.
BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT THIS NEW PVP. BALANCE YOUR CLASSES.
Yeah cuz no DK will be a thief?
sup when 10 DKs decide to go on a rampage in a town or when 1 DK ganks an unsuspected guard (since I remind you wearing your guard uniform makes you a free target for thieves whereas you as a guard will only be able to attack thieves who already have a bounty).
Gl being a guard against my mighty DK, you'll need it.4 -
Sublime✭✭✭✭If you want 1v1 join a duelling guild, there are very good ones on both servers. Apart from that I've seen Videos of all classes owning in Cyrodiil, which is a open world PvP area so everybody is free to do anything to you.EU | For those who want to improve their behaviour: the science behind shaping player bahaviour (presentation)2
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✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Good for you, good luck even finding me once I see you; to catch me.
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✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Or, and here's a novel idea, you could bring that DK of yours to some duels and once you get your ass handed to you by Sorcs and NBs that know how to play their class, you might reconsider the validity of your statements, hhm?
But, I'll suspect you'll just talk the talk here on the forums instead of walking the walk in Cyrodiil.EU | PC | AD2 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Or, and here's a novel idea, you could bring that DK of yours to some duels and once you get your ass handed to you by Sorcs and NBs that know how to play their class, you might reconsider the validity of your statements, hhm?
But, I'll suspect you'll just talk the talk here on the forums instead of walking the walk in Cyrodiil.
Pointless. No one here is bragging. This is about balance. I play all the other classes to.CapuchinSeven wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Good for you, good luck even finding me once I see you; to catch me.
I'm a thief, why would I fight you anyway?
You assume you wont be caught. Funny. Humans are not the same as crappy Skyrim artificial intelligence.ExiledKhallisi wrote: »With the overpowered ridiculousness of DK DPS/Tank hybrid builds. I get to go from fighting 1vs6-10 players in Cyrodil to destroying anyone who isnt a DK 1v1 in the Justice System as a guard.
BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT THIS NEW PVP. BALANCE YOUR CLASSES.
Yeah cuz no DK will be a thief? sup when 10 DKs decide to go on a rampage in a town or when 1 DK ganks an unsuspected guard (since I remind you wearing your guard uniform makes you a free target for thieves whereas you as a guard will only be able to attack thieves who already have a bounty).
Gl being a guard against my mighty DK, you'll need it.
If you actually read the thread lol..... you would see this was already addressed. Of course it will work both ways. It was a general statement. About one class being severely unbalanced in small scale pvp. The DK is far superior to all classes in small encounters. This is a problem for the Justice System.>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Or, and here's a novel idea, you could bring that DK of yours to some duels and once you get your ass handed to you by Sorcs and NBs that know how to play their class, you might reconsider the validity of your statements, hhm?
But, I'll suspect you'll just talk the talk here on the forums instead of walking the walk in Cyrodiil.
Pointless. No one here is bragging. This is about balance. I play all the other classes to.
No it's not about balance, it's about your agenda. You based your argument around your opinion that you can't lose against a non-DK. I told you to go to some duels and find if that's fact or fiction.
You can't base your argument on fiction and then when someone points to the obvious you reply by "no one is bragging". What kind of response is that? It's not about bragging, it's about your statement being completely false.Edited by Maulkin on October 13, 2014 6:52PMEU | PC | AD1 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »ExiledKhallisi wrote: »On my DK 1v1 Unless the other player is also a DK. I cant die.
Or, and here's a novel idea, you could bring that DK of yours to some duels and once you get your ass handed to you by Sorcs and NBs that know how to play their class, you might reconsider the validity of your statements, hhm?
But, I'll suspect you'll just talk the talk here on the forums instead of walking the walk in Cyrodiil.
Pointless. No one here is bragging. This is about balance. I play all the other classes to.
No it's not about balance, it's about your agenda. You based your argument around your opinion that you can't lose against a non-DK. I told you to go to some duels and find if that's fact or fiction.
You can't base your argument on fiction and then when someone points to the obvious you reply by "no one is bragging". What kind of response is that? It's not about bragging, it's about your statement being completely false.
Most of the people on this forum and reddit believe DK's to be OP. is the majority wrong and the bias right? Of course SOME people can beat a good DK 1v1. Sadly the majority cant. That's the problem..>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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MikeBob✭✭✭ExiledKhallisi wrote: »
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Humans are not the same as crappy Skyrim artificial intelligence.
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(I dunno - that 'crappy' Skyrim AI was pretty good at catching up to me a time or two.)
Edited by MikeBob on October 13, 2014 8:24PM0