Extra Character Slots

Joru_TheDamager

Hi. I have lots of ideas for cool characters I want to make. However having only 8 available slots is hard times. Please post your support here for additional character slots as purchasable DLC.

deathmasterl_ESO

I agree, I would love to be able to have 4 or more characters per alliance one of each class, ones to have fun on, ones to even just mess around with and try something different without having to delete a character and starting all over.

Woolenthreads

I have 15 characters (Not an Altoholic I say!), so use the other regional server to make a further 8 (though EU does have issues)

Inversus

A lot of people want it, too, you can be sure of support on this issue

Nerouyn

No support from me.

Alts are currently the game's primary method of expanding storage. So you're not just asking to be able to try out new character concepts. You're also asking to be able to buy a significant advantage in a game that has a sub.

No support from me.

deathmasterl_ESO

Nerouyn wrote: »

No support from me.

Alts are currently the game's primary method of expanding storage. So you're not just asking to be able to try out new character concepts. You're also asking to be able to buy a significant advantage in a game that has a sub.

No support from me.

So... basically what you're saying is because someone has more storage space then me they're automatically better at everything? Storage is useless besides keeping items tucked away. Storage doesn't help you in PvP, or really anything to be honest. I've had 100 Bank slots for a long time, and I've had 90 Bag Inventory for the longest time as well I make do with what I have. But I also don't keep every useless item in some vault somewhere and that's me with 4 Tradeskills maxed out. I should also mention that I have not once used an Alt for extra Storage.

Also they're adding Trophy and Pet Storage in the future here too. They're also making it easier for Provisioning crafters to better handle storage with better ingredient and recipe management.

Overall the basic point I'm trying to make is how in the world does having more Storage then someone else give them a bigger advantage???

notepad

I'll add my vote for extra character slots. Since the game is a single server, you can't play on alternate servers (yes technically you can play on the other regional megaserver, but it requires a second copy of the game client from what I've read and also it may be the middle of the night for many people when you play).

Especially if they plan to add new weapons, skill lines etc, eventually we will need more alt space. I only have one now, but I'm an altoholic. For the game to have longevity for me, eventually I'll run out of slots.

Nerouyn

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

So... basically what you're saying is because someone has more storage space then me they're automatically better at everything?

Easily the most ridiculous thing I've read today. Though the day is admittedly young...

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

Overall the basic point I'm trying to make is how in the world does having more Storage then someone else give them a bigger advantage???

You have played ESO, right?

There's a million and one crafting components to juggle, it's a good idea to save equipment for research, maybe keeping equipment for alts to use, possibly disguises and trophies if you're into that, recipes and motifs etc. etc. etc.

As I said and as anyone who has played the game would know the current primary means of expanding one's inventory is through alts. In another thread just a few days ago someone admitted to having bought a second account purely for storage.

Now I'm not into alts personally but if someone wanted to buy extra character slots to satisfy a roleplaying itch I couldn't care less - if that was all that was happening. But since every extra character means up to 180 extra storage slots you're also selling inventory space in a game where that is scarce.

Not cool. Hirelings are also potentially a bit of an issue.

And to re-iterate this is a game with a subscription. Adding a cash shop that lets players buy a significant advantage like this would upset a lot of players.

Elder_III

I want more Character Slots to be able to make more Characters to PLAY. Saying we can't spend our $$$ on that because of some hypothetical "disadvantage to other players" is ridiculous. Who cares whether someone has more storage space then you do? It doesn't make one bit of difference as to how good/skilled of a player they are. If your argument is that real $$$ shouldn't equal storage space then you must really hate the people that run multiple subs for that very reason.

tldr - ZOS, please allow us to buy more Character Slots as many other MMOs have done. Thank you.

Nerouyn

Elder_III wrote: »

I want more Character Slots to be able to make more Characters to PLAY.

I KNOW. ARE'T CAPS FUN?

Elder_III wrote: »

Saying we can't spend our $$$ on that because of some hypothetical "disadvantage to other players" is ridiculous.

Blatantly misrepresenting what people say is also ridiculous.

First, it's not a hypothetical disadvantage. It's a real one.

Second, it's not my decision to make so I'm not saying you can't have it for any reason. I've stated why I don't support it and why I'm sure many others would also oppose this.

Elder_III wrote: »

Who cares whether someone has more storage space then you do?

My... member is plenty big enough thank you very much. This is not an envy issue.

As stated previously with perfect clarity and precision, the issue is one of allowing players to buy an advantage in a game that has a subscription. That invariably meets with heavy opposition.

Change storage so that it isn't dependent on alts and maybe rethink the hireling situation and these problems disappear. Then I doubt anyone would care at all about players being able to buy extra character slots.

Evergnar

I'm definitely pro more character slots simply because I can see it is going to be a problem down the road if I stick with this game. Not too keen on the thought of having to delete a character that took a long time to level just so I can try something different in an effort to keep things interesting.

Valen_Byte

Nerouyn wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

I want more Character Slots to be able to make more Characters to PLAY.

I KNOW. ARE'T CAPS FUN?

Elder_III wrote: »

Saying we can't spend our $$$ on that because of some hypothetical "disadvantage to other players" is ridiculous.

Blatantly misrepresenting what people say is also ridiculous.

First, it's not a hypothetical disadvantage. It's a real one.

Second, it's not my decision to make so I'm not saying you can't have it for any reason. I've stated why I don't support it and why I'm sure many others would also oppose this.

Elder_III wrote: »

Who cares whether someone has more storage space then you do?

My... member is plenty big enough thank you very much. This is not an envy issue.

As stated previously with perfect clarity and precision, the issue is one of allowing players to buy an advantage in a game that has a subscription. That invariably meets with heavy opposition.

Change storage so that it isn't dependent on alts and maybe rethink the hireling situation and these problems disappear. Then I doubt anyone would care at all about players being able to buy extra character slots.

Ok first off, you're rude. Now, I have read the questions and your responses to them and you have yet to answer the question.

How does having more storage give someone an advantage. I'm sure in your evolved mind you believe you have stated your response so that everyone should understand. However you have simply danced around the question and repeated yourself without actually giving a coherent response.
So could you dumb it down for us simpletons and explain step by step how more storage gives an advantage? Or are your thoughts just simply to advanced for us mouth breathers to understand?

Forgot to mention that I am for more character slots. In my opinion, we should be able to make one of each class in each faction giving us a minimum of 12 slots.

Nerouyn

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok first off, you're rude. Now, I have read the questions and your responses to them and you have yet to answer the question.

Not even remotely. I've merely been direct.

If I had actually been rude you could of course report the posts and see them moderated. But I haven't, have I?

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

How does having more storage give someone an advantage. I'm sure in your evolved mind you believe you have stated your response so that everyone should understand. However you have simply danced around the question and repeated yourself without actually giving a coherent response.

This is a clear example of rudeness. You've attempted to personalise the argument. Perhaps it's worth your taking a look at the forum rules.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

So could you dumb it down for us simpletons and explain step by step how more storage gives an advantage? Or are your thoughts just simply to advanced for us mouth breathers to understand?

What you ask is impossible. Since it has already been stated with perfect clarity and simplicity, no I can't dumb it down any further.

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

Forgot to mention that I am for more character slots. In my opinion, we should be able to make one of each class in each faction giving us a minimum of 12 slots.

I agree. As a new player trying to figure out which class and faction I want to play but only have 8 slots + character deletion cooldown + needing to use alts as storage has been a grand cluserBLEEP.

Joru_TheDamager

Evergnar wrote: »

I'm definitely pro more character slots simply because I can see it is going to be a problem down the road if I stick with this game. Not too keen on the thought of having to delete a character that took a long time to level just so I can try something different in an effort to keep things interesting.

I totally agree man.

Skizer78

I like the idea of having more character slots for the ability to create classes that I have yet to enjoy and because as some people have mentioned space is limited and I have three mules right now and have trouble going through all my storage to figure out what to throw away so I can delete a mule to get another alt rolling.
It is possible that having more storage space than another player gives that person an advantage, although I don't see it as an advantage in PvP as much as it would be in a trade type capacity. Though if you are talking about storage advatages you should consider all the players that have their own personal guild banks of 500 slots which would be great if I could get the mimimuim number of people available in a guild to get the bank option. But many people are using the guild banks for extra stoage space even though the guild is not truely a functional guild. If you are so worried about storage space, tackle the issues that are already present and not those that are just ideas.

Valen_Byte

@Nerouyn My comment was admittedly snarky at best. I wont report anyone, but I will call you out on it.

There is no advantage to having more or less storage, more or less character slots. It is nothing more than a convenience issue. The only thing in this game that will give you an advantage over another player is the gear you are wearing and your skill as a player. Thats it.

Oolou

I like the idea of more character slots as yes, I am an altoholic. But I'm not interested in purchasing them as something in addition to the subscription. So I cannot support the proposal.

Vyle_Byte

More character slots, yes definitely. I am however on the fence with having to purchase them. Not because of any 'advantage' or 'disadvantage', simply since we already have a subscription along with the cost of the game itself. It would have to be a serious number for me to be willingly pay for it. Like. Double. lol

But, yes to more slots, please!! My creativity is being stifled with such limited spots!

Nerouyn

ez2k.stoobzzub17_ESO wrote: »

There is no advantage to having more or less storage, more or less character slots. It is nothing more than a convenience issue. The only thing in this game that will give you an advantage over another player is the gear you are wearing and your skill as a player. Thats it.

Well that might be the problem - you're taking a narrow definition of advantage that is admittedly understandable given the content. I was speaking English rather than MMO-speak. My bad.

You've fallen prey to money-grubbing cash shop PR spin monsters who go to desperate lengths to draw a distinction between convenience and advantage. According to them convenience is when you pay to be spared some deliberately horrible aspect of the game's design.... like ESO's inventory management. And advantage is an I-win button for PvP. When trying to sell the former they want you to focus on the fact it's not the latter they're selling.... rather than the fact they deliberately designed the inconvenience in the first place.

Is that what we're bumping up against here.?

Just to grab a dictionary definition from google: "a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position." Having more storage does precisely that - unless you maybe choose not to craft at all and just routinely sell everything you're not currently wearing.

However you want to define it my position remains unchanged. So long as additional storage is achieved via alts I - and I suspect many others - won't support the developers selling additional character slots.

pirate3

No, I am against. It's not in my interest as a player to encourage the developers to monetize inconvenience any further. More slots would be welcome but as standard, not as 'purchasable DLC'.

Kalann_Pander

This thread was the previous incarnation of this dead horse - often beaten, but still dead.

Quoting myself :

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

More slots = more bag space = devalues gold sinks
More slots = more hirelings = devalues crafting

These are probably some of the things ZoS is mulling, thinking about this.
It's also exactly how I'd use any new slots, given a reasonable price.

Since fully explaining seems to be in fashion here, I'll spell it out :

1/ Buying bag and bank space is the main gold sink in ESO. Most players will spend nearly all of their early money in storage :
- Upgrading your bank all the way costs 768,500 gold
- Upgrading your bag all the way costs 38,500 gold
- Upgrading a draft horse all the way costs 54,950 gold
For a whole account : 1 Bank + 8 characters + 8 horses :
768,500 + (38,500 x 8) + (54,950 x 8) = 1,516,100 gold pieces.

** Source **

Because the last bank slots are the most expensive, adding 1 character slot, with 60 bag slots, means that you get the same total storage for 435,000 cheaper. That is significant, and thus devalues storage capacity.

2/ Each character can have a hireling for each crafting skill, except alchemy. These hirelings send you stuff daily, and over time allow you to have access to all necessary ingredients for your crafting. To my knowledge, only Nirnhoned trait stones are not sent by Hirelings, and some ingredients seem to be only (or at least mainly) provided by them (for example, tomatoes).

More character slots = more hirelings = more materials for crafting = all crafting activities are easier, rare stuff is less rare, etc ...
Each additional character slot potentially provides you with 1/8, or 12.5% more crafting.
This too is significant, and thus devalues crafting.

You might not find these issues all that important. However, I do, quite a few other players do, and most importantly, I'm pretty sure ZoS does (not counting any other issues that we might have overlooked).

Because what you're suggesting is additional character slots as purchasable DLC, and because there are significant issues, some could (rightly so) construe it as a form of Pay to Win. Which, in a subscription-based game, is simply unacceptable, and the whole problem of your suggestion.

That being said, I have absolutely nothing against adding 4 slots to everybody.
I've already stated what I'd use them for, I'm sure everybody else would find a good use too

deathmasterl_ESO

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

This thread was the previous incarnation of this dead horse - often beaten, but still dead.

Quoting myself :

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

More slots = more bag space = devalues gold sinks
More slots = more hirelings = devalues crafting

These are probably some of the things ZoS is mulling, thinking about this.
It's also exactly how I'd use any new slots, given a reasonable price.

Since fully explaining seems to be in fashion here, I'll spell it out :

1/ Buying bag and bank space is the main gold sink in ESO. Most players will spend nearly all of their early money in storage :
- Upgrading your bank all the way costs 768,500 gold
- Upgrading your bag all the way costs 38,500 gold
- Upgrading a draft horse all the way costs 54,950 gold
For a whole account : 1 Bank + 8 characters + 8 horses :
768,500 + (38,500 x 8) + (54,950 x 8) = 1,516,100 gold pieces.

** Source **

Because the last bank slots are the most expensive, adding 1 character slot, with 60 bag slots, means that you get the same total storage for 435,000 cheaper. That is significant, and thus devalues storage capacity.

2/ Each character can have a hireling for each crafting skill, except alchemy. These hirelings send you stuff daily, and over time allow you to have access to all necessary ingredients for your crafting. To my knowledge, only Nirnhoned trait stones are not sent by Hirelings, and some ingredients seem to be only (or at least mainly) provided by them (for example, tomatoes).

More character slots = more hirelings = more materials for crafting = all crafting activities are easier, rare stuff is less rare, etc ...
Each additional character slot potentially provides you with 1/8, or 12.5% more crafting.
This too is significant, and thus devalues crafting.

You might not find these issues all that important. However, I do, quite a few other players do, and most importantly, I'm pretty sure ZoS does (not counting any other issues that we might have overlooked).

Because what you're suggesting is additional character slots as purchasable DLC, and because there are significant issues, some could (rightly so) construe it as a form of Pay to Win. Which, in a subscription-based game, is simply unacceptable, and the whole problem of your suggestion.

That being said, I have absolutely nothing against adding 4 slots to everybody.
I've already stated what I'd use them for, I'm sure everybody else would find a good use too

First I would have to say thank you for a detailed and in depth explanation as to why this would be a bad idea.

That said hopefully ZoS can figure out a way that will allow people to have more alts done the road without all of the issues that you pointed out included in them. Personally I think once they start really thinking into player housing and how storage in it will work we wouldn't have to worry the extra bank or inventory storage, etc problem. But as you pointed out the the Hireling issue would be the number one problem.

Still I wish we weren't as limited as we currently are now for Character Slots I have so many ideas and different builds I'd like to play and try, but can't since I already have my 8 Original Characters already created with their specific roles.

Joru_TheDamager

I just would like to point out that my suggestion for extra character slots to be a DLC, is merely a suggestion. The bottom line is I want more character slots so I can make more characters. I really don't care about anything else on this point.

Valen_Byte

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

This thread was the previous incarnation of this dead horse - often beaten, but still dead.

Quoting myself :

Kalann_Pander wrote: »

More slots = more bag space = devalues gold sinks
More slots = more hirelings = devalues crafting

These are probably some of the things ZoS is mulling, thinking about this.
It's also exactly how I'd use any new slots, given a reasonable price.

Since fully explaining seems to be in fashion here, I'll spell it out :

1/ Buying bag and bank space is the main gold sink in ESO. Most players will spend nearly all of their early money in storage :
- Upgrading your bank all the way costs 768,500 gold
- Upgrading your bag all the way costs 38,500 gold
- Upgrading a draft horse all the way costs 54,950 gold
For a whole account : 1 Bank + 8 characters + 8 horses :
768,500 + (38,500 x 8) + (54,950 x 8) = 1,516,100 gold pieces.

** Source **

Because the last bank slots are the most expensive, adding 1 character slot, with 60 bag slots, means that you get the same total storage for 435,000 cheaper. That is significant, and thus devalues storage capacity.

2/ Each character can have a hireling for each crafting skill, except alchemy. These hirelings send you stuff daily, and over time allow you to have access to all necessary ingredients for your crafting. To my knowledge, only Nirnhoned trait stones are not sent by Hirelings, and some ingredients seem to be only (or at least mainly) provided by them (for example, tomatoes).

More character slots = more hirelings = more materials for crafting = all crafting activities are easier, rare stuff is less rare, etc ...
Each additional character slot potentially provides you with 1/8, or 12.5% more crafting.
This too is significant, and thus devalues crafting.

You might not find these issues all that important. However, I do, quite a few other players do, and most importantly, I'm pretty sure ZoS does (not counting any other issues that we might have overlooked).

Because what you're suggesting is additional character slots as purchasable DLC, and because there are significant issues, some could (rightly so) construe it as a form of Pay to Win. Which, in a subscription-based game, is simply unacceptable, and the whole problem of your suggestion.

That being said, I have absolutely nothing against adding 4 slots to everybody.
I've already stated what I'd use them for, I'm sure everybody else would find a good use too

Great job explaining in detail!

I can see from your stand point, or a marketeers standpoint how this could make a difference.

I am simply not that kind of player so I could not for the life of me see how more characters would matter.

I don't belong to a guild. I don't use mules. I don't PVP. I have 8 characters that I actively play based on who I am playing with (solo, with my wife, or with one of my kids, or with all of us) I don't keep every little thing. I found early on that this was not going to work for me. I do have an armor/enchanter/blacksmith. I keep all my crafting gear on this character and rarely play with it any more. In my bank I have trait stones, some armor I want to keep and that's about it. I breakdown and sell just about everything ells. So for me storage really is a non issue. I just want more slots so I can make more characters to play.

For the record I don't support paying for more slots. I have to admit though that if they offered say, 8 slots for $20 bucks, I would probably buy it. That's just me. I wouldn't like it but I'm the kind of player that will buy every DLC weather I think I'll use it or not. For example...Hearthfire or whatever it was called for Skyrim. lol

Evergnar

Just to add I am also not in favor of having to purchase extra character slots (it would be better than nothing though). I would however be ok with these character slots being unlocked after level 50 or something. One extra slot per character that completes level 50.