Upper Craglorn Scorpion Grind

Fenris

Am I the only one making a big deal out of the upper craglorn scorpion grind? It drives me nuts that people dont consider it an exploit to gain xp this way (using the rock to insta spawn the boss), so I started killing the adds. *** move on my part, clearly (after realizing how much of a *** I was being though some insightful words of another person, I wandered off to do something else). But still, does the general community support or dislike this behavior?

WldKarde

Really dont care.

If Zos has a problem with it...then they will stop it.
Otherwise...

These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along

Csub

I really try not to grind/farm in games for faster leveling (I did a bit long ago while Templar and Stamina builds were much weaker and I am a templar with stamina build) but I can't really care if others do it. They don't really ruin my gameplay unless they are instakilling my questmobs but this is not the case.
I do think, however, that exploiting instant respawn should be fixed but the users shouldn't be punished. I won't have sleepless nights if they don't fix it though, but I think such things should not be possible.

Qyrk

Really dont care.

You can see what some of the community feels through these two topic:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1308971#Comment_1308971
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1308412#Comment_1308412


EDIT:As per moderator

ZOS_TristanKadmin
7:23AMStaff Post
Hey, all. We're actively looking into a solution now. As we have all of the necessary information we need about this issue, we are closing this thread. Thank you for your reports and your understanding.

Nestor

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

I am surprised that no one is bothered by the bigger issue. The millions upon millions of Exp points needed to gain ranks after VR10. All for armor that is about 1% better per rank. No character increases, no skill points, no increases in attributes.

Leave the Scorpions in.

david271749

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

I can understand if they want to nerf the loot, but I hope they leave the xp. If they completely nerf it, peolple will just go grind the next best thing or find something better. This game has huge problems with exploitable bugs, especially in pvp. I don't see why so many people are worried about this scorpion.

It's open to anyone. Nobody gets excluded as long as the group has space. I could see how this would affect the champ system, but we don't even know how that will work yet. I know devs have stated that points will be gained on an average of one per hour. That's about the same speed as this grind, so what's the problem?

Not everybody has the time for a questing career in Tamriel. Some people just want to max to be more viable for pvp, trials, or arena. Some people want to play alts, but don't want to run though all the quests again. That tells me it's not the grinding that needs to be fixed. These quests are the problem. They need to grant a lot more xp, or be a hell of a lot more interesting for people to actually consider them worth the play time they're paying for.

Ourorboros

It is an exploit, but not a big deal

Don't know why anyone would get their panties in a wad over how other people play. Play how you want to play, let others do the same, I say.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

I am surprised that no one is bothered by the bigger issue. The millions upon millions of Exp points needed to gain ranks after VR10. All for armor that is about 1% better per rank. No character increases, no skill points, no increases in attributes.

Leave the Scorpions in.

Oh boy. You get 3 million exp per hour with the shadow grind, or another 3 million per hour with the Upper Craglorn grind. It takes 5-6 hours tops to go from VR10 to VR14.

I really don't understand people these days. 5-6 hours is absolutely nothing. What other MMO lets you get to endgame so quickly? Seriously. This is a GIFT. Compare this to a game like Runescape. You can grind in that game for 8 hours a day for 3 months to max out a single skill (no joke), and then you have 20 more skills to go! Being able to max out your character in 5 hours is actually giving players time. Time they can spend doing other things in the game. Enjoy it.

Also,
VR14 gear is better. That 4 extra spell damage from your set bonuses or the extra 8 magica recovery is very noticeable.

tordr86b16_ESO

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

as ive stated in the previous thread, this way of gaining exp is fine for now, but it is something they have to have fixed when the champion system goes live.

Nox_Aeterna

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

Considering how zen didnt spend the time to actually add different kinds of content and thus allow people to get to VR14 in a resonable time manner outside playing PvE group content , not only i say leave it alone , i also support the people that want to do this instead of wasting their time.

If people prefer to grind the exp than to do the content that alone already speaks about the devs *** calls.

Psychobunni

Really dont care.

I haven't done that one myself but if they didn't want people grinding the easiest ways to get xp...then they should have thought about that before repeatedly raising level cap with limited options on how to achieve it.

Soulshine

Qyrk wrote: »

You can see what some of the community feels through these two topic:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1308971#Comment_1308971
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1308412#Comment_1308412


EDIT:As per moderator

ZOS_TristanKadmin
7:23AMStaff Post
Hey, all. We're actively looking into a solution now. As we have all of the necessary information we need about this issue, we are closing this thread. Thank you for your reports and your understanding.

THIS^^^^ Already been stated by ZoS it's being looked at.

timidobserver

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

ZOS just pushed a hotfix for Cyrodil. If this was a big deal, a patch would have been included for boss respawning manipulation. The reality of the situation is that the Scorpion grind is mostly the same type of deal as the Shadow and Atronach grinds. Just manipulating boss respawns. Scorpion just happens to be more effective than the others.

Surfinginhawaii

Really dont care.

At this point 23% of the voters think people who did this should be punished, this is surprising, at least to me.

Soulshine

Surfinginhawaii wrote: »

At this point 23% of the voters think people who did this should be punished, this is surprising, at least to me.

True, but I suspect it may have to do with a bit of sour grapes. What I mean by that is that there are a lot of people expressing everything ranging from disappointment to outright anger over the content in Craglorn, even if they aren't even high enough level to be out there yet... they don't like the idea that people can just "easy time it to level cap" in a couple hours, get tons of loot and gold, etc. Especially if they don't see themselves doing this, they do not want others to do it. Just the way people are sometimes....

Personally, I can't quite get my head around ZoS's way of handling this other than to say ever since Craglorn launched, this type of stuff has been happening from day one and despite knowing this full well they have ignored it. The only "fix" was a minor nerf to anomalies and that is pretty much it. If ZoS were to fix this too, I think they would essentially be throwing the baby out with the bathwater since they would have to cop to the facts about the zone, which are that there have been and continue to be way more people grinding Tower, Thief, Bural, Hircine's, Shadow, Scorpion, etc. than actually running the darned quests.

My own view is that I don't care if ppl do this and don't see that they should be punished for something that is so blantantly been allowed to exist in the game, but it is definitely not my personal play-style by a long shot.

Leeric

It is an exploit, but not a big deal

Its an exploit, its not working as intended, those who say its not are wrong. Shadow also an exploit. It is also still there. ZOS doesn't seem to care to much. their excuse being they can't determine "intent" so they leave it alone for the most part. Why they don't just fix it? No idea....

Kcttocs

Really dont care.

Who cares! People that do this are not getting any skill points for doing cadwells gold and are not getting any skyshards while completing cadwells gold. So when they go from vr1-vr14 they are going to be lacking a bunch of skill points and will thus have a hard time leveling new skills, it's a double edge sword for those that grind like this. I've been slowly leveling doing quests and I get bored of them sometimes, I grind for a bit and get bored even faster, I do vet dungeons for the actual fun....As far as I know there is not a quest attached to it. Some of the other grinds actually interfere with folks questing, those should be the ones you should be complaining about IMO. But I say leave them be.

tordr86b16_ESO

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

Leeric wrote: »

Its an exploit, its not working as intended, those who say its not are wrong. Shadow also an exploit. It is also still there. ZOS doesn't seem to care to much. their excuse being they can't determine "intent" so they leave it alone for the most part. Why they don't just fix it? No idea....

because craglorn progression is broken that's why.

Nox_Aeterna

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

Its an exploit, its not working as intended, those who say its not are wrong. Shadow also an exploit. It is also still there. ZOS doesn't seem to care to much. their excuse being they can't determine "intent" so they leave it alone for the most part. Why they don't just fix it? No idea....

because craglorn progression is broken that's why.

More like because they know tons of players just want the exp out of craglorn and nothing else.

Better have players griding exp than dont have players at all.

dgoss11b14_ESO

It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.

If people don't have enough common sense to know when they are doing something "wrong", then they deserve whatever punishment comes their way, if any.

PlagueMonk

It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.

The problem isn't the exp, because you can gain similar exp grinding the mob circuits..the problem is, it is 100% safe (ZERO chance of dying), just killing the boss insta spawns the boss again (which is not normal), and each kill nets the player a full soul gem and other loot every, what 15-20 secs? Soul Gems alone are extremely sellable.

So the players are unfairly culling gold out of the system whereas doing the grind nets you all of 4g a kill and maybe, MAYBE an item and every 10 mins a blue/purp item.

Just so you know, the bosses in the small dungeons used to do similar things. They no longer do and this should be treated no differently.

AshySamurai

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

Really? Another poll? Why you so care about how other players play game? Play as you like and let others play as they like.

TehMagnus

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

Gonna be hotfixed. If ZOS bans people for this, then they have a looooonnnng list of people to ban before they do.

dodgehopper_ESO

I think the problem is the continually moving level cap, not the content. At some point I think people just want to stop leveling, and just get into playing.

TehMagnus

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I think the problem is the continually moving level cap, not the content. At some point I think people just want to stop leveling, and just get into playing.

Leveling is playing. If you don't enjoy leveling, grind and be done with it. Level cap is meaningless.

Rodario

It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.

How about "fix it, but don't punish people, as it's never been officially aknowledged"?

starkerealm

It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.

Fenris wrote: »

Am I the only one making a big deal out of the upper craglorn scorpion grind?

No, ZOS has already said they're looking into fixing it.

eserras7b16_ESO

It is an exploit, but not a big deal

My opinion is that it is an exploit and that the players farming points this way are idiots but, let them play the way they want. I'll never stick to these kind of players.

LF DK Tank (¿?) LFM VR14 Trial Link achievement (?¿) Why aren't those people playing World of Warcraft? Our comunity would be better without them but again, it's more money for Zenimax so... let them be!

KenjiJU

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

My opinion is that it is an exploit and that the players farming points this way are idiots but, let them play the way they want. I'll never stick to these kind of players.

LF DK Tank (¿?) LFM VR14 Trial Link achievement (?¿) Why aren't those people playing World of Warcraft? Our comunity would be better without them but again, it's more money for Zenimax so... let them be!

How will you know you've grouped up with one down the road? You could end up becoming best friends or you might marry each other not knowing. After you have four kids together.. you ask, 'Hey, did you ever do that Scorpion grind exploit in Craglorn?' She goes: "Yea! LOL!" You should get rid of any dangerous objects you have, just in case that moment arises.

onlinegamer1

It is not an exploit, gain XP in any way you want!

I am a humanoid creature (Bosmer, Khajhit, whatever).
I can climb rocks.
Scorpions cannot.
I want to kill some scorpions, but there are too many to fight at once.
I climb a rock.
I use a magical ability to "pull" them onto my rock 1 by 1 and kill them with my party.

Regardless of how much experience you have at MMORPGs, there is nothing wrong with the above gameplay. No one can be banned or reprimanded for it. I don't care what your opinion is, because its just that - your opinion. You may like playing a certain way, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

Some people like strategy and tactics, not just button mashing. To "perch" in video games (MMO or otherwise) is not only common, but an absolute staple tactic. There is nothing illegal, unethical, or wrong with perching. Period. Perching is a 100% valid tactic in all video games. Perching is MEANT to give you an advantage. The entire idea of perching is "I am in a high, unreachable position and I can use ranged attacks to slaughter melee-limited opponents with no chance of repercussion whatsoever." Again, 100% legal, viable, common tactic used in all video game genres.

So:
1. There is nothing wrong with getting on the rock. That's perching.
2. There is nothing wrong with using either ranged attacks or DK Chain to pull something onto the rock. Perfectly valid play.
3. The only issue is that the boss respawns right after you kill it if its small scorpions are still alive.

The thing is, that would happen whether you use the rock, kill the boss and then die to the little scorpions, kill the boss and then disconnect from the server due to client crash, kill the boss and then run away, or any other way of killing the boss and not the adds. It has 0 to do with the rock, and 100% to do with the boss respawn code.

No player can know if this is intended or not. Well, wait a sec... we CAN know if its intended or not.... by looking.... here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131866/known-issues-for-update-4#latest

Hmm, nothing there that says this is a bug. Fantastic! I did my due diligence as a player. I found something that looked odd, not knowing if it was a bug or intended. I then checked the OFFICIAL place that I would check to see if its some exploit or bug. Nothing was there.

BAM. It is now OFFICIALLY allowed. Right up until ZoS changes it so that the boss will go on a normal respawn timer even if his adds remain alive (which I presume will be the "fix").

lathbury

It is an exploit! ZoS should fix it asap and punish those that were involved.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

I am a humanoid creature (Bosmer, Khajhit, whatever).
I can climb rocks.
Scorpions cannot.
I want to kill some scorpions, but there are too many to fight at once.
I climb a rock.
I use a magical ability to "pull" them onto my rock 1 by 1 and kill them with my party.

Regardless of how much experience you have at MMORPGs, there is nothing wrong with the above gameplay. No one can be banned or reprimanded for it. I don't care what your opinion is, because its just that - your opinion. You may like playing a certain way, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

Some people like strategy and tactics, not just button mashing. To "perch" in video games (MMO or otherwise) is not only common, but an absolute staple tactic. There is nothing illegal, unethical, or wrong with perching. Period. Perching is a 100% valid tactic in all video games. Perching is MEANT to give you an advantage. The entire idea of perching is "I am in a high, unreachable position and I can use ranged attacks to slaughter melee-limited opponents with no chance of repercussion whatsoever." Again, 100% legal, viable, common tactic used in all video game genres.

So:
1. There is nothing wrong with getting on the rock. That's perching.
2. There is nothing wrong with using either ranged attacks or DK Chain to pull something onto the rock. Perfectly valid play.
3. The only issue is that the boss respawns right after you kill it if its small scorpions are still alive.

The thing is, that would happen whether you use the rock, kill the boss and then die to the little scorpions, kill the boss and then disconnect from the server due to client crash, kill the boss and then run away, or any other way of killing the boss and not the adds. It has 0 to do with the rock, and 100% to do with the boss respawn code.

No player can know if this is intended or not. Well, wait a sec... we CAN know if its intended or not.... by looking.... here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131866/known-issues-for-update-4#latest

Hmm, nothing there that says this is a bug. Fantastic! I did my due diligence as a player. I found something that looked odd, not knowing if it was a bug or intended. I then checked the OFFICIAL place that I would check to see if its some exploit or bug. Nothing was there.

BAM. It is now OFFICIALLY allowed. Right up until ZoS changes it so that the boss will go on a normal respawn timer even if his adds remain alive (which I presume will be the "fix").

Except that you know they are going to fix it this must mean it's currently broken. You know it's the respawn timer that's broken, you know that's what they will fix. So by doing this you are exploiting and should be punished according to the tos.