bolt escape

kazeweaver

In Haderus, NA server, there is this one guy who can bolt escape 5+ times. This is really unfair and needs to be changed. When he's cc'd he just breaks and bolts away. When you can't fight equally like that something has to change. Most of us have had-erus enough of him

Ezareth

/sigh another one of *these* threads.

I really hope you're not talking about me. You realize with 3200 magicka and emperorship I can bolt escape an insane amount.

Blackthorn51

Well to be fair even without being emperor I've seen you and other Sorcs bolt streak as much as 20 times in a row. Short of stun locking a bolt streaker (provided you can get past the shield stacking) and hard burst DPSing him/her to death, the ability to simply spam streak is a damn near fullproof means of escaping combat with very few possible counters. Though they do exist they are rare and it takes skill to pull it off. Even NBs have to take a serious risk if they try to escape a fight via stealth/invis because it can be countered by potions, spells or just firing a ranged weapon in their general direction to prevent escape. If you can get from end to end in cyrodiil in 5 minutes flat via bolt streaking without ever dropping below 50% magic then yeah it is a balance issue that needs addressed. As the Emp, I expect you to be able to streak as much as you desire even if I think it's cowardly. As a standard mage, 15-20 streaks in a row is absurd and does need adjusted. I would not say it needs a cool down as this game does not use them, but I do feel it should at the very least have an increase to it's casting cost. Especially since you can also bolt streak out of most stuns anyway, such as talons.

Edit: Im not saying it should be nerfed as it's single handedly the most important skill for a Sorc, but it definitely should have an increased cost to use so that its less... derpy.

Cody

when I see someone BE spam like you claim the emp and whoever else does, I just shake my head in disappoint towards them and move on.

BE is fine. The only thing I myself think needs changing, is that it should not stun people, but in order to spam it 20+ times, you have to have ALOT of magicka, meaning, you have to be specifically built for it. if someone that is not built for it tries to cast it a ridiculous amount of times, their magicka will run dry. I know because I have chased down and executed sorcerers that tried that crap.


anyway, there is no point in complaining about it. its already been nerfed twice, they are not nerfing it again.

Blackthorn51

Yeah I'm not really complaining about it. If anything it's only a minor annoyance and not really anything game breaking. Honestly once the shield stacking problem is fixed I could care less if someone bolt escapes a hundred times. I'll still be right there behind them with gap closers and fear to decapitate them with my greatsword or plucking them in the ass with lethal arrows.

Ezareth

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Yeah I'm not really complaining about it. If anything it's only a minor annoyance and not really anything game breaking. Honestly once the shield stacking problem is fixed I could care less if someone bolt escapes a hundred times. I'll still be right there behind them with gap closers and fear to decapitate them with my greatsword or plucking them in the ass with lethal arrows.

The shield stacking combined with my gear is why I can bolt escape so much. I think once that is fixed, if it is fixed, the sorcs you find escaping so easily will have a much more difficult time escaping and staying alive in general.

People may view a sorc bolt escaping away as cowardly and think it should have a cooldown or something but I don't know when I've ever been able to escape with certain death with a single bolt escape, especially when good players have been known to crit charge/invasion spam me 7-10 times in a row as I keep bolting. It is just the chief gameplay mechanic of sorcs and I kill sorcs who have bolt escape all day long so they do die.

People should keep in mind I spend anywhere between 20-30K gold a *day* in potions while PvPing. My survivability is not some class cheese, it is me willingly spending vast amounts of gold, wastefully, to enjoy myself. I don't want to leave this game like I left WoW with a million gold in the bank never to return. I plan to spend every last shiny coin before I'm gone ( =

Gilvoth

all that has to be done is make it so that the only way to use bolt escape is by them having to use a target to cast it, just like we nightblades are forced to have a target to cast teleport strike, just make mages forced to have a target to use bolt escape and take away that stunn and it's good to go

Cinnamon_Spider

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Edit: Im not saying it should be nerfed as it's single handedly the most important skill for a Sorc, but it definitely should have an increased cost to use so that its less... derpy.

It does have an increased cost if you use it again within 4 seconds plus a decrease in magicka regen.

Blackthorn51

ratgoddess495 wrote: »

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Edit: Im not saying it should be nerfed as it's single handedly the most important skill for a Sorc, but it definitely should have an increased cost to use so that its less... derpy.

It does have an increased cost if you use it again within 4 seconds plus a decrease in magicka regen.

That is something I did not know. Thank you for the input.

Blackthorn51

@ezareth_ESO‌

Yeah dude I get what you're saying there. And even though I think it's cowardly, this is coming from a stealth build so its kinda the pot calling the kettle black. Yeah I think once they get the shield stacking figured out, the problem will most likely work itself out. Bolt Escape is the Sorc version of Invisibility and I think I speak for most nightblades when I say that at the end of the day we're really just jealous that yours works and ours doesn't lmfaooo, if im being totally honest.

Yusuf

Every class has something it excels with and you should learn to play after this game has been out for over 6 months now.

You know what i'm doing on my nightblade? I activate a shadow image before engaging a group, kill 2-3 people and once their angry group attacks me i teleport into safety and sometimes even back to the keepwall i came from.

Jacques Berge

I honestly don't have an issue with BE, it's a bit annoying, yes, but dark cloak can be just as annoyingly effective. I feel like the game as a whole is fantastically close to class balance. Shield stacking and block/attack spamming are really the only things in this game that irk me. DKs and Templars may not have an escape skills, but NB or sorcs don't have massive self heals. Every class shouldn't be equal in every aspect of the game. As long as the strengths and short comings result in equally powetfull classes.

Blackthorn51

@Jacques Berge‌

+1 to everything you just said.

Spangla

I think the issue is that it was nerfed but then accidentally buffed/reinstated to what it was before the nerf accidentally when they raised the magic soft cap.

Chesimac

@Jacques Berge keep in mind dark cloak usually is bugged and doesn't work that frequently lol.

Jacques Berge

%100 of the time... No, you're right, it doesn't... but cloak works for me 9/10 times... granted... I'm not trying to cloak through a zerg of impulse spammers or over caltrops... It works fine for me... Maybe you should't be putting yourself in such crappy situations. I cloaked away from 4 people yesterday, one a teleporter with magelight... they still didn't get me. I just watched them spam their aoes and run around like idiot... 100m from where I actually was... Then whispered them telling them what giant pieces of crap they were..........
Cue evil laughter.

Armitas

Is this true? 20x in a row non current emp? I had heard a sorc admit to 10 so I assumed that was the benchmark.

Also I notice that some sorcs are able to bolt escape faster than others. Is it possible to animation cancel it?

Vizier

If they remove or alter the stun associated with Streak Morph to only proc every 10 to 20 seconds and make it so CC'd mages had to use stamina to break before BE would work it would be fixed put it on a more even field while still allowing it to be the get out of jail card it is. It would just become much less of an offensive ability. A change I would totally support.

Asgari

@ezareth_ESO‌ Unfortunately for us we will always have these threads on a weekly basis.

kazeweaver

Every class has something it excels with and you should learn to play after this game has been out for over 6 months now.

Typical ignorant response, logging on just to repeatedly press 1 button is not playing nor is it skillful

Cody

Jacques Berge wrote: »

%100 of the time... No, you're right, it doesn't... but cloak works for me 9/10 times... granted... I'm not trying to cloak through a zerg of impulse spammers or over caltrops... It works fine for me... Maybe you should't be putting yourself in such crappy situations. I cloaked away from 4 people yesterday, one a teleporter with magelight... they still didn't get me. I just watched them spam their aoes and run around like idiot... 100m from where I actually was... Then whispered them telling them what giant pieces of crap they were..........
Cue evil laughter.

the ability is bugged.

Crescent

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

Well to be fair even without being emperor I've seen you and other Sorcs bolt streak as much as 20 times in a row. Short of stun locking a bolt streaker (provided you can get past the shield stacking) and hard burst DPSing him/her to death, the ability to simply spam streak is a damn near fullproof means of escaping combat with very few possible counters. Though they do exist they are rare and it takes skill to pull it off. Even NBs have to take a serious risk if they try to escape a fight via stealth/invis because it can be countered by potions, spells or just firing a ranged weapon in their general direction to prevent escape. If you can get from end to end in cyrodiil in 5 minutes flat via bolt streaking without ever dropping below 50% magic then yeah it is a balance issue that needs addressed. As the Emp, I expect you to be able to streak as much as you desire even if I think it's cowardly. As a standard mage, 15-20 streaks in a row is absurd and does need adjusted. I would not say it needs a cool down as this game does not use them, but I do feel it should at the very least have an increase to it's casting cost. Especially since you can also bolt streak out of most stuns anyway, such as talons.

Edit: Im not saying it should be nerfed as it's single handedly the most important skill for a Sorc, but it definitely should have an increased cost to use so that its less... derpy.

Yeah, great, so melee sorcerers can't use it more than once I guess.

I hate these idiotic threads, because instead of asking to nerf magicka cost reduction traits with robes they go asking cost increases for skills that are costly to anyone that isn't wearing a robe.

Jacques Berge

Cody wrote: »

the ability is bugged.

I was thinking of some witty response to you, then I remembered, we're on the same team. I also remembered that though the skill is far less buggy than it was, it is still bugged (and it's unacceptable). I still find cloak to be incredibly useful... But I fight in 1v1-1v2 sceneries, where I have developed incredible flexibility if cloak doesn't work properly. In large group stuff it bugging out can get you killed.

So... in short... Yes it's bugged!!! And the magnitude of said bugginess is irrelevant. :-)

Ezareth

Blackthorn51 wrote: »

@ezareth_ESO‌

Yeah dude I get what you're saying there. And even though I think it's cowardly, this is coming from a stealth build so its kinda the pot calling the kettle black. Yeah I think once they get the shield stacking figured out, the problem will most likely work itself out. Bolt Escape is the Sorc version of Invisibility and I think I speak for most nightblades when I say that at the end of the day we're really just jealous that yours works and ours doesn't lmfaooo, if im being totally honest.

I appreciate the honesty there. I agree as well. NBs and Sorcs are flip sides of the same coin.

Armitas wrote: »

Is this true? 20x in a row non current emp? I had heard a sorc admit to 10 so I assumed that was the benchmark.

Also I notice that some sorcs are able to bolt escape faster than others. Is it possible to animation cancel it?

No sorc can bolt escape more than me in the game and I can cast 9-10 times depending on the delay between casts (it is choppy at times). This takes me to pretty much zero magicka from 100% magicka. I can get another 2 casts out using a tri-stat potion and another 2 or 3 if my shields are fully breeched and I had front loaded them and waited for my magicka regen before I go in.

20 casts would take waiting for 4 seconds between casts.

There is no animation with bolt escape, it is an instant cast and is subject to the same global cooldown exhibited by all abilities. I *have* seen sorcs who macro a shield cast animation cancel into a bolt escape but I don't use them or animation cancel of any kind as it isn't really necessary.

Mendoze

Oh man, and yet another of these threads full of Nightblades crying nerfs to sorcerers as usually. Why don't you just roll a sorcerer and pwn everybody with your leet skills? I'm sure all you Nightblades are the best players in the server, it's just that your class sucks. With sorcerer you could kill everybody and never die no matter what your opponents do. Join us and live your dream.

eventide03b14a_ESO

kazeweaver wrote: »

In Haderus, NA server, there is this one guy who can bolt escape 5+ times. This is really unfair and needs to be changed. When he's cc'd he just breaks and bolts away. When you can't fight equally like that something has to change. Most of us have had-erus enough of him

I saw "bolt escape" and I couldn't resist clicking the thread. OP, seriously man, let it go.

GoatKnuckle

They really need to add a single "Teardrop" next to "LOL" option in these forums. Would save me a lot of time. Can we get that, Zenimax? Make cats killable first and then get to working on that.

Thanks.

SRIBES

My opinion is if someone gets away let them run.

OtarTheMad

lol... one of these threads again? Holy crap man the skill has been nerfed like 4 times... move on. I, during battles, typically do not spam it like others. I will use it once or twice to move away from danger and reestablish some distance between myself and the enemy... that's usually it. I know others don't do that and spam it like it's the only skill a Sorc has but oh well... it has an "AoE cap" now anyway so people who use it to stun a zerg usually end up dead in seconds anyway.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

all that has to be done is make it so that the only way to use bolt escape is by them having to use a target to cast it, just like we nightblades are forced to have a target to cast teleport strike, just make mages forced to have a target to use bolt escape and take away that stunn and it's good to go

So "fix" what you don't like by making it the opposite. That is silly. Its not a gap closer it works differently. If yo took away stun too you just teleport to someone and do nothing, are you kidding me. Try playing a sorc, I main Templar and feel so flimsy with my sorc i need to utalize streak, specially after the contrast of how boss templars survivability can be.

Crescent

LOL nightblade saying sorc should lose a stun on streak, as if ambush didn't have a stun and hit significantly harder than streak, or powered up the incoming surprise attack.