Let's Talk- Lady Lightbright.

Anthony.C.Harwell_ESO

Here is a thought, after scouring through the forums and observing the state of the game specifically focusing on the most recent Campaign, I feel that as a community we should discuss some differences in perspective. And turn our eyes to the state of the game.

Upon my scouring, I stumbled upon an interesting notion that interested me in Particular: Population differences.

First off let me begin with this;

Facts: All 3 factions fought well.

Speaking specifically to the Famous Players/leaders (And yes, we must acknowledge each and everyone's own level of Re-known) Differences aside, we all fought well and struggled hard. Surely, on an individual level we can acknowledge this.

Whether we agree with it or not, AD gained the most points during the Campaign.

Speaking bluntly, I'm sure a lot of members of the opposing factions have several opinions that do carry a certain degree of truth as to why AD won.

I constantly see Ebonheart, mention population levels, Daggerfall, mentions the notion that AD guilds lag the server, and again with a degree of truth; both voice concern over the concept of PvDoor.

Now what is the Yellow Perspective? By no means do I speak for all Yellow Players, but I do consider myself one of the primary Leaders in regard to the Unaffiliated Yellow Masses (My pug groups pull members regularly from Top AD guilds even during Guild Hours, and I regularly hear someone in my group thank me for making their first time into PvP a fun adventure--- Atleast twice a week).

What's my Perspective you ask? Ignoring fickle and unsolvable things outside of the community's control; I feel that Yellow wins consistently solely off coordination. The reality of it is, I honestly don't believe that neither EP or DC as a faction works together individually, Better than AD.

And let me tell you why, I am sure if you are reading this you are aware about the FACT that EP had been in the lead the vast majority of this past campaign, and suddenly within the past 7 days, Yellow Caught their second wind, coincidentally during Oceanic hours. During those 7 days my personal Pug group #44 which has been absent for the majority of this campaign.

But during the past 7 days, AD has brought new life into a side of the AD community that has been nearly absent since the end of Wabbajack. That being mobilizing forces as a faction, not as individual guilds. Allow me to clarify, to my knowledge, there are only a handful of strong AD guilds, of those handful only a few of which are sufficient enough to consistently field regular groups. DiE fields a group daily, other them I am not aware of a unified AD guild that fields more than 20 members aside from the newly established Moonlight Guild, on a regular basis. Yet somehow AD remains on the fringes of being population locked for hours a day. What this means we have to acknowledge is, a vast majority of AD players, are not part of a pvp guild, many of them are mainly PVE players/traders. I will go on record and openly admit that AD pugs, are by far, the worst players in the game. Frankly it's more of a hindrance for us field so many inexperienced players. Let's not pretend that some of the Famous players constantly kill 8-15 players on average by them selves in an open zerg, simply becuz the deal enough AoE damage to keep Batswarm up.

But despite them being horrible, we as a faction constantly provide them with direction. Let's be frank majority of the time AD pug groups struggle to even take resources with 15man groups. However, it is undeniable that Group leadership is a strong point of AD, and has many times proved to be our saving grace. Clear example being that last two emp pushes by AD on the closing days, Blue was holding strong, until the leadership of multiple groups were tied in together.

I question, whether or not EP and DC are aware of the reality that almost every moment that an AD group is formed and active in Cyrodiil, they are talking to two or three other group leaders. And information, reports, and plans are being thrown around between 5-6 people, and roles are being assigned? The level of coordination that AD achieves despite them mainly being pug forces is nothing less than astonishing.

I once lead a group of 24 to take Drakelow, and when I arrived 2 other groups of 8 and 17 were waiting for my group to arrive, without my knowledge they moved to support me, to the point they waited for my group to begin the attack, and handed me complete control of their forces.

You can say AD won because of this and that, but I feel that as a community both other factions should strive to become the community that AD has created. And once they do, we can address on how to fix the state of the game as a whole, as a community. Once we get to that point, then I believe PvP will begin to meet the standards that we all have planned for it.

- Sincerely Lady Lightbright
- Dictated and Written under the Influence.

WraithAzraiel

Boom.

FluffiestOne

lolwut? DC has GIVEN AD emperor the past few times. Don't humor yourself thinking you are the best faction. We realized we couldn't win with the Orange Alliance going on, so we let DiE cap the keeps and targeted EP for the most part. Note that I speak for nightly/morning times, day time I had no part of.

The only reason that DC isn't the best faction (as it should be) is a few leaders don't know the definition of tactics. If EP wasn't targeting us like a girlfriend mad at her ex. We would be squashing the bumblebee hive. For Lord Fixate.

Liquid_Time

I just kill people...

Forestd16b14_ESO

One player is not greater or weaker than another player. One faction is not greater or as you say more organized than another. Wanna hear a red perspective on what the war is? Endless ganking firebat spamming/ skill abuseing that is what the alliance warfare is right now not that the other factions aren't organized. So please stop saying you and your faction/guild are better than every one else. Now delvs please come in and shut this thread down before it gets out of hand like all the other threads that were about " how we are better than you".

Agrippa_Invisus

tl;dr version --

Our extra population doesn't matter, just our organizational skills.

Tintinabula

This is how they actually think fellow EPers! This is how AD actually views other factions. THEY have created an ambiance of wonderfulness and PVP awesome sauce that MUST be consumed by everyone else in order for the game to progress. lol @ teh lulz.

Samadhi

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

tl;dr version --

Our extra population doesn't matter, just our organizational skills.

To be fair, can agree that Yellow has great organizational skills to go with their numbers.

Fighting EP, it's a matter of fighting some skilled players, but everyone is often spread out and uncoordinated. As a single-target player, personally prefer to fight EPs because it is more exciting.
Often prefer to go hunting in Red territory, simply because it is more manageable to find decent impromptu fights on a 1v1 or 2v2 scale.

Fighting AD, catching a player alone is usually a free kill; however, at every large battle they are extremely effective at bunching up into a zergball.
DC and EP both run zergballs as well; however, AD is clearly the best at organizing them. Yellow has truly masted bunching people up to avoid taking damage.
Personally going to be rather interested to see the group tactics that AD organizes after the AoE cap is lifted. They have numbers and coordination, am hoping that it will translate to some really interesting large group fights once the stacking issue is fixed.

Playing on DC side, we don't really coordinate much as a faction. Many players seem to run wherever they feel, and then a few organized guilds handle larger affairs.

dcincali

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

tl;dr version --

Our extra population doesn't matter, just our organizational skills.

When an 8 man can wipe EG on a back flag, was it numbers or organizational skills? AD has had several very good pug wranglers step up to the plate and get things running. There is no way we could have won this last round with out these people like the OP and Moonlight.
Trust me when I say this, if ZOS offered faction change, myself and my 2 pvp guilds would not be AD any longer. Not everyone wants to be top dog. It would have been great to lose this camp, it would have done wonders for the moral of DC and EP. Does that mean we should re-roll EP/DC? No, we have spent countless hours on our char and not going to just abandon them. We are here for the fights, winning is just a perk.

Agrippa_Invisus

dcincali wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

tl;dr version --

Our extra population doesn't matter, just our organizational skills.

When an 8 man can wipe EG on a back flag, was it numbers or organizational skills? AD has had several very good pug wranglers step up to the plate and get things running. There is no way we could have won this last round with out these people like the OP and Moonlight.
Trust me when I say this, if ZOS offered faction change, myself and my 2 pvp guilds would not be AD any longer. Not everyone wants to be top dog. It would have been great to lose this camp, it would have done wonders for the moral of DC and EP. Does that mean we should re-roll EP/DC? No, we have spent countless hours on our char and not going to just abandon them. We are here for the fights, winning is just a perk.

I'm not really sure how wiping EG, aside from it being common place, is meaningful in this.

The primary issue is there are multiple points throughout the day on Thornblade (both afternoon and late evening) where AD's population on the server equals that of DC and EP combined.

That the score was as close as it is speaks volumes.

FluffiestOne

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

tl;dr version --

Our extra population doesn't matter, just our organizational skills.

When an 8 man can wipe EG on a back flag, was it numbers or organizational skills? AD has had several very good pug wranglers step up to the plate and get things running. There is no way we could have won this last round with out these people like the OP and Moonlight.
Trust me when I say this, if ZOS offered faction change, myself and my 2 pvp guilds would not be AD any longer. Not everyone wants to be top dog. It would have been great to lose this camp, it would have done wonders for the moral of DC and EP. Does that mean we should re-roll EP/DC? No, we have spent countless hours on our char and not going to just abandon them. We are here for the fights, winning is just a perk.

I'm not really sure how wiping EG, aside from it being common place, is meaningful in this.

The primary issue is there are multiple points throughout the day on Thornblade (both afternoon and late evening) where AD's population on the server equals that of DC and EP combined.

That the score was as close as it is speaks volumes.

It's just AD's population. EG and LoM teamed up today and dominated even with a bar to two less, so much for being the best faction.

Anthony.C.Harwell_ESO

Here's a thought, Red would have won point blank had not Yellow decided to be organized for the past week. Does anyone honestly disagree that this last week was not the deciding factor? Frankly Blue at a certain point during this past week you became a non factor, despite your superiority during daytime hours. You can win as many fights as you want, you can push us to the back gates, re cap your scrolls daily, and it wouldn't make a difference, just because yellow has an objective focus on winning the Campaign.

Yellow guilds did a lot to win this Campaign, and true they Carry the Vast Majority of the Faction. But make no mistake that in truth, 85% of Yellow Pug Players, were more effective than Red/Blue pugs outright, despite them sucking severely more on an individual scale. Yellow players that have never pvped before, were more often in the right place, doing the right thing, not because they knew what to do, and not because of the zerg/sheep mentality, but because they were told where to be, why they should be there, and what to do when they did get there.

This is an Alliance warfare, game, the community needs to realize the standard concepts of Elistism, mainly in the guild aspect, is different here. You want this to be a massive scale PvP game then get the rest of your faction involved in these battles, make this map more Dynamic.

As a faction yellow, public knowledge is there, argue whatever you wish about the other various points to be made, whether they are valid or not. The concepts of 50/50ing a keep, a ram rush, corner stacking, and proper siege placement. Are well known and implemented by people that don't even play more than once a week, to the point where many times players running solo perform these actions on there own.

I'm not here to say that Yellow, is King, and that my faction is better than all of yours, (Granted I do believe that) but for the most part, some of you here are community/ guild leaders, Agrippa, I've had players that play red toons, mention that they take your word as law. "Agrippa, doesn't want us to do."

You as leaders do have a responsibility and just like anyone and everyone who plays this game, you all have a stake in the direction the state of this game will take. If you are content in standing idly by, and letting Zenimax make their own decisions without a strong unified community providing it's take then this game will die in a quarter of the time that it took WoW to stop being fun.

-Lady Lightbright

Agrippa_Invisus

Anthony.C.Harwell_ESO wrote: »

I'm not here to say that Yellow, is King, and that my faction is better than all of yours, (Granted I do believe that) but for the most part, some of you here are community/ guild leaders, Agrippa, I've had players that play red toons, mention that they take your word as law. "Agrippa, doesn't want us to do."

I can honestly say I've never heard anyone say this concerning me before.

TBH, it feels like most of the time no one's listening to me.

I don't run EP, far from it. I'm one dude, who through happenstance, is leader of a guild.

The DC PuGs on Bloodthorn were fairly well organized, too. For PuGs. They won that campaign handily.

And the biggest contributing factor was sheer numbers. I've seen it before, and it will remain the same. In mass scale combat, numerical superiority breeds true.

As a historical example in DAoC, which also had a three way system of combat, the faction of Albion (Camelot's kingdom) had a mild population balance skew in their direction. Most servers were split 40% Albion, 30% Hibernia, and 30% Midgard. A few, like my own, were 37% Albion, 33% Midgard, and 30% Hibernia. Yes, Hibs and Mids often had great battlefield success, yes they were strong opponents and the population disparity bred some excellent players on their side of the field.

Numbers still win mass combat games. Albion, consistently, held the most keeps, the most relics, and took the most victories home. Perhaps fewer than they could have due to the more 'zergish' nature of their faction, but they won at such a clip that Mythic Entertainment (the publisher) stepped in and started offering carrots to Albs to reroll to Hib / Mid. Free levels, free gear, free xp, etc.

This wasn't a 'guess' that Albion was winning more. This was Mythic pulling spreadsheets and admitting it happened. Why? Numerical superiority.

Back to ESO --

Yes, there are some amazing guilds AD side. DiE, imo, stands out as one of the best PVP guilds in the game as an example. There is no denying their skill and capability on the battlefield.

At the same time there is a point where, mathematically, you cannot survive an assault. No shield stacking, no healing, nothing will get you through it. Enough people hit you at once and your toon just falls over dead. This is the power of the zerg. Guaranteed defeat.

Those parts of the day, usually midafternoon and late evening, when AD population is equal to both over factions combined are rough. I mean really rough to deal with. When AD focuses one of the other two factions, there's little to no chance we can stop it. It's not a matter of winning, it's a matter of holding them off (often at Arrius or BRK) until prime time hits and the populations even out.

Though, to be honest, these are the periods of the day EP is most likely to lose BRK. When there's a flood of AD pouring into the breaches and there's just nothing we can do to stop it due to sheer numbers.

MiyaTheUnbroken

I think a factor to AD success is also our solo players. We don't just have groups of noobs, we also have a LOT of solo players, like me. Honestly, I'm not very strong player. I know my limits. I have very slow reflexes and my coordination is the pits, so one on one I'm not much of a threat. But thanks to our leaders, or random people, who ever it is giving commands in /zone, I'm almost always in the right place at the right time. Thanks to directions in chat, I'm constantly burning your camps and your siege weapons, I'm following behind your riders tracking movement, I'm repairing weak spots at the keeps, I'm teaming up with a couple other solo players to take your resources to distract and confuse you. Directions like these are constant in our chat which allows solo players to really contribute on a higher level than we'd otherwise be able to do.

On a side note, not once in my experience has any command ever been to stand on top of each other or make a "zergball." I don't know what they do in groups or guilds or when I'm not on, but no one has ever told me to do that.

Anthony.C.Harwell_ESO

I don't argue that numbers are not a problem, but how can anyone address a population imbalance? I mean there are some things we can do as a community to push towards a more level playing field, but in reality, Zenimax is going to have the most pull moving forward. But frankly, I don't have much faith in Zenimax stabilizing the PvP popluations anytime in the near future, and I think anyone who is worth their salt as a serious MMO player, realizes that there is a large percent of both sides of the playerbase that are on the verge of walking away from this game at any given time. EP/DC pvpers that don't roll face every day, that log on and see that the larger guilds are playing well but not ensuring that their faction wins must feel disheartened. I mean AD has superior numbers, organization, and Strong Leadership. And this is still true to a large portion of them, they feel disgruntled when they log on and see half of our home keeps being shared by Red/Blue, not one or the other. AD pugs get rolled by the Dozen by individuals powerhouses.

The reality of it is, this game will not die slow, but the quality of the game, specifically PvP is subject to becoming worthless over the course of a campaign. Mainly because a lot of shenanigans that *** people off can happen in 30 days, especially when you force your entire PvP community into one location, due to lack of action to be found anywhere else. I'm sure a lot of you remember the first few days of Thornblade, where the fights were incredible, but as far as accomplishing anything on the map, when all 3 factions fielded their core units; taking an outpost became an impossible task. It was the complete opposite of the spectrum. If the Campaign had stayed on the level that the first few days of Thornblade showed, we wouldn't be complaining about Nightcapping/PvDoor, we would be talking about how static the map would be, even during oceanic time for those first few days nothing could be changed on the map.

Fact is there's alot for us to do as a community if we want to fix these problems. Each faction has similar concerns, but are too busy with their egos to address them. I do enjoy the fact AD has numbers, but don't act like you don't enjoy rolling over 50 pugs with 8 DC/EP players. The equivalent of that for AD for most players is simply surviving while you slowly die in a 1v12 fight. How many of you on DC/EP would consider that to be winning?

Poxheart

dcincali wrote: »

No, we have spent countless hours on our char and not going to just abandon them.

Here's a hint for you: /played.

Gaettusk

Anthony.C.Harwell_ESO wrote: »

You as leaders do have a responsibility and just like anyone and everyone who plays this game, you all have a stake in the direction the state of this game will take. If you are content in standing idly by, and letting Zenimax make their own decisions without a strong unified community providing it's take then this game will die in a quarter of the time that it took WoW to stop being fun.

Lady Lightbright,other AD who care about balance, and @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌:

Yes, I've heard that tired argument since Wabba 1.0. Let us,DC and EP players, magically conjure up 70+ Oceanic players each and have them reroll on both EP and DC sides. There are limits to what player communities can do, and getting that many people to play this soon-to-be-dead game-- that's utterly implausible. AD was 3rd for a reason(Oceanic AD didn't want to kill the server population, so they didn't night cap as much as they could until the end of the campaign). AD can easily win any campaign, if they get the Oceanic AD to heavily nightcap(like they did at the end of Wabba 1.0). Yet for some unknown reason,multiple leaders on both EP and DC sides are ignored by Devs when they bring up the population balance issues; they didn't get invited to the guild summit, which consisted of mostly AD guilds, and they don't have anywhere close to the same size of a community that AD benefits from(thanks bandwagon Angry Joe followers, etc).

Rough graph of ppt/scoring--notice the high points acquisition for AD during Oceanic primetime
esostats.com/30-30_Day_small_Thornblade_small


As for AD having better organization than DC and/or EP... truly LOL

AD gets the majority of their points during Oceanic playtime, which is when DC and EP have 2 bars of population,at most,and AD can lock pop it. Aside from that, if the few good AD guilds aren't online/are off farming AP, then AD just falls apart. It's not like DC, who can hold their own with 1 bar of population. It's not like EP, who can survive getting 2v1'd(with locked pops) on a consistent basis thanks to some EP trying to be 'diplomatic', or certain EP talking major trash(and being serious about it) to the other factions in whispers *cough* WCFC *cough*.

Screenshot of aforementioned population issue(it's from TB 1.0):


For either DC or EP to be "the community AD has created" as you've stated, we'd have to get ~70 Oceanic players for DC and EP each. It's a population issue, pure and simple. It has been an issue since the first cycle of campaigns, and it has been ignored by the Devs since day 1. Any amount of logical discourse about Oceanic night-capping is met with the usual 'herp derp, people don't have to play during NA primetime on a NA server', which is either trolling or a strawman, anyway. As it is, Oceanic AD claims to want competition, but they are forced into playing on a NA server;it only causes more problems because ZoS was too cheap or lazy to have an Oceanic server at release.

For populations to be relatively balanced 24/7, NA DC and/or EP have to get a population equal to Oceanic AD from ~2 a.m. - 9 a.m. EDT weekdays, or Oceanic AD has to log on at about 9 -10 a.m. ACST weekdays to play during NA primetime. Neither of those are going to happen, so it's up to ZoS to fix their mistake.

-Toosk Shield-Gnawer


TL,DR: Everyone needs to just have fun and get AP. Who cares if Oceanic AD PvDoors a campaign to win it for their faction. We've voiced our discontent enough that ZoS would fix their mess if they truly cared. If AD cares about winning so much that they come to play ball while the only competition is asleep, then let them have their hollow victory. /AP farm on,everyone

Davadin

I've said it once, I'll say it again: EP has no faction teamwork whatsoever.

For shame.

A bunch of guilds, a bunch of PUGs, and no one can coordinate.


Oh well, like the above said, I just want AP... (and the thrill of blowing someone up with Wrecking Blow from stealth lolz)

Cody

wow.... an entire post dedicated to glorifying an alliance..... what a freaking read....

im going to be honest, I stopped halfway thru, as this thread disgusts me.

with the current state of PvP, no faction is better than the other 2, its all a matter of population and zerg balling.

Devs, please close this thread. Its a waste of time and is just going to flare up a pointless 5 page long argument.

Cody

you do realize that if you people stop talking about it, people wont be butthurt over it anymore right? just let it go everyone. a new round of lagging, crashing and impulse blobing... err... I mean thornblade(:)) has started. stop sobbing over the past and look to the present/the future.

Malveria

As an AD player, and an AD guild leader, there was no point for this thread.

The reason AD won is because we have a higher pop for longer, and organised groups that can capitalise on the other factions downtimes.

End of story.

WraithAzraiel

FluffiestOne wrote: »

lolwut? DC has GIVEN AD emperor the past few times. Don't humor yourself thinking you are the best faction. We realized we couldn't win with the Orange Alliance going on, so we let DiE cap the keeps and targeted EP for the most part. Note that I speak for nightly/morning times, day time I had no part of.

The only reason that DC isn't the best faction (as it should be) is a few leaders don't know the definition of tactics. If EP wasn't targeting us like a girlfriend mad at her ex. We would be squashing the bumblebee hive. For Lord Fixate.

First time I've EVER heard of this Orange Alliance. I love it.

DC blames Orange Alliance
AD Blames Purple.
EP blames Green.

3 way warfare and it's perceptions are hysterical. If we're not the best faction, how come we've won so many campaigns?

Isn't that how "the best" is determined?

Is it because you "allow" us by bailing on trying because of Orange?

If there was some collusion going on to allow for an Orange alliance, wouldn't we let Red have a few wins under their belt?

/sarcasm off

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Cody wrote: »

wow.... an entire post dedicated to glorifying an alliance..... what a freaking read....

im going to be honest, I stopped halfway thru, as this thread disgusts me.

with the current state of PvP, no faction is better than the other 2, its all a matter of population and zerg balling.

Devs, please close this thread. Its a waste of time and is just going to flare up a pointless 5 page long argument.

I stopped reading it as well.
I then got to your post and realized you nailed the response I was going to type out.

Close this pointless semi boast thread please, pvp is a joke and the population balance is a joke...

Sincerely
Someone who has given up on pvp and now only plays to finish every achievement...

Yes.. please kill me when I get up to doing the alliance achievements. The class and pop balance is rubbish bad.

Agrippa_Invisus

Malveria wrote: »

As an AD player, and an AD guild leader, there was no point for this thread.

The reason AD won is because we have a higher pop for longer, and organised groups that can capitalise on the other factions downtimes.

End of story.

Right here, this.

For the sake of the game, more AD need to reroll to EP or DC or this is going to be a very sad upcoming 3-6 months for ESO.

FluffiestOne

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

lolwut? DC has GIVEN AD emperor the past few times. Don't humor yourself thinking you are the best faction. We realized we couldn't win with the Orange Alliance going on, so we let DiE cap the keeps and targeted EP for the most part. Note that I speak for nightly/morning times, day time I had no part of.

The only reason that DC isn't the best faction (as it should be) is a few leaders don't know the definition of tactics. If EP wasn't targeting us like a girlfriend mad at her ex. We would be squashing the bumblebee hive. For Lord Fixate.

First time I've EVER heard of this Orange Alliance. I love it.

DC blames Orange Alliance
AD Blames Purple.
EP blames Green.

3 way warfare and it's perceptions are hysterical. If we're not the best faction, how come we've won so many campaigns?

Isn't that how "the best" is determined?

Is it because you "allow" us by bailing on trying because of Orange?

If there was some collusion going on to allow for an Orange alliance, wouldn't we let Red have a few wins under their belt?

/sarcasm off

I'm DC... I know we have given them emperor considering I was there when we did it and helped decided to do it. Filthy casual.

dcincali

Poxheart wrote: »

dcincali wrote: »

No, we have spent countless hours on our char and not going to just abandon them.

Here's a hint for you: /played.

hue hue put your hand over your head so next time something flies over you can catch it. k thanks.

Forestd16b14_ESO

@Cody‌ Words as true as the sky. But no one's gonna listen cause half to nearly all of the players in pvp are elitest who are gonna say and do what ever they can to make every one else think there the best even if it means completly bashing the other factions. Oh btw Zeni isn't this thread alone violating you no nameing/shameing policy ? Cause i think it is alot of people saying how the daggerfall covenant and ebonheart pact players are un-organized pugs and are never gonna win. So it's wrong to say a single player is a jerk like said players on this thread but it completly alright for them to bash 2 entire factions of players? So Zeni as stated many times close this thread and stop people like these from opening another thread saying how there better than every one be Dominon, Covenant, or Pact.It is cause of palyers like these that is slowing down if not stoping the growth of ESO.

Rylana

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Malveria wrote: »

As an AD player, and an AD guild leader, there was no point for this thread.

The reason AD won is because we have a higher pop for longer, and organised groups that can capitalise on the other factions downtimes.

End of story.

Right here, this.

For the sake of the game, more AD need to reroll to EP or DC or this is going to be a very sad upcoming 3-6 months for ESO.

Been there, done that, too much work really. Leveling up/gearing a toon is a PITA and you know it

I did it though, but hey the nice "warm" reception I got on Azuras felt... weird. Some greeted, some told me to get lost, and some just lold, but that might just be cause its me.

>_>

There are a lot, and I mean a LOT of factional purists, guilds will kick you out for being cross faction in some cases.

Cody

To be honest with you, your faction is not as good as you think it is. Are there great guilds/players in your faction? yes. however, I have seen what the AD is like without nightcapping and zerg balling up into your huge impulse blobs. you people fall apart.

I remember a time in wabbajack, where we defended BRK from the AD during primetime, when pops were equal. we defended it for 3 hours. We never lost it. AD zerg after AD zerg rushed the walls and we slaughtered them relentlessly.(whats funny, is many of the ADs "elite players" were part of those zergs) this was not the only time this happened.

To me, this thread is a disguised and clever way of you talking crap to the DC and the EP. im not saying the EP is perfect(if you read my sig you will know I am EP) nor am I saying DC is perfect. But the AD sure as heck is not the perfect community you think it is.

During the first 3 months of Hopesfire, the AD were total (snip) to EP and DC. they nightcapped the map, and when we attacked something, their emperor and about 40+ of his minions would storm us and camp us at the gate until we all left the server. In fact, the guild that did it, is still around today(unfortunately, due to the name and shame policy, I cannot name them) This is one of many examples disproving your statement that the AD has created such an awesome gaming community.

I just cant seem to understand why you made this thread in the first place. Why did you make it? To talk trash to the EP and the DC? to try to feed your possibly arrogant ego? to make your faction seem "elite" when, in reality, it suffers from the crap that EP and DC also suffers from? Or did you make I, because you really do believe what you just typed out?

Open your eyes. Get on thornblade during Primetime, when AD is not busy nightcapping everything. Watch your "perfect alliance" fall apart when they are in an actual fight. You will see which parts of your alliance are TRULEY elite then.

Alright, my rant is done. im off to bigger and better things.

Malveria

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Right here, this.

For the sake of the game, more AD need to reroll to EP or DC or this is going to be a very sad upcoming 3-6 months for ESO.

WTB paid faction change. Will pack my whole guild up and shift to another faction without hesitation.

heng14rwb17_ESO

We win cos we r AD !