Please make weapon swap #1 priority

bosmern_ESO

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

AreoHotah

I asked this before myself.

Weapon swaping should cancel ANYTHING you are doing/casting at that time and just SWAP.

If I press the swap buttons it means I need it god damit...

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

AreoHotah wrote: »

I asked this before myself.

Weapon swaping should cancel ANYTHING you are doing/casting at that time and just SWAP..

No it shouldn't, YOU should stop the action you're doing before being able to swap, same as animation canceling, what you're asking for is simply exploitable.,

killedbyping

Like it was discussed many times, YES, the only way to make weapon swap work well is to make it Priority number 1.

I have no idia what zos tryed to do with all those changes like reducing cool down on swap and e.t.c. but it obviously yield no results what so ever.
Still slow swaping, still unable to swap in intense fights, still weapon might swap back if you keep pushing swap when weapon deny to swap..

Cogo

Um, weapon swap is now cached in your client.
Yes, there are problems with it, but it does work. They are working on it.

The past fix they did, to weapon animations, which was HIGHLY wanted, was done and needs to be calibrated. Do you not want them to fix that?

Weapon swap is important for everyone, thank you very much.

Just like you say, sometimes I press, nothing happens. press again and I swap twice and back. In Vet dungeons, I die...and the group wipes.

Yes....But a lot of other things works which didn't before. Balancing is outstanding. Cant even compare today to 1 month ago.

Zenimax is improving the game, making it work as intended.
They do not give exploits to people who think they should get them.

Weapon swap was MEANT to have a 2 second delay! For balance purposes.
This was changed, when Zenimax saw that weapon swap is not making any unbalance issues, but it a good tool for those who manage it.

Let them work. Report BUGS.

Weapon swap is cached in YOUR computer
Right now there is a bug connected to the new animations they are working on. And some lag issues. THAT's the weapon swap problem.

It just don't reach the server as it should, YET.

staxjax

Stop queuing up spamming your abilities

spoqster

I agree this should be number one prio. It's messing up my game left and right.

My biggest problem though is that my key presses don't seem to be queued. I can live with the lag as long as when I press [weapon swap] and [skill key] these actions are performed as soon as my character is ready.

What happens instead is that if the system is not ready to accept my key press, this signal just gets lost. So instead of weapon swap > healing skill, my character ignores the weapon swap and interprets the [skill key] on the current bar. So instead of healing myself I waste the resources on an offensive skill that I don't need.

• I don't heal
• I waste resources
• I waste time

In a competitive setting where every click, every bit of resource needs to be used exactly right, the above combination is an irrevocable death sentence.

Sunrock

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

Way this happens is because you have a ground AOE aim "loaded" you can't switch weapons while this aim of the AOE is out. So be sure you don't over spam skills like this as if you do the game tend to cast 1 extra after you stoped casting it.

The problem is not the weapon swap mechanic but that the game stores 1 skill in memory if you spam your skills too fast.

AreoHotah

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

I asked this before myself.

Weapon swaping should cancel ANYTHING you are doing/casting at that time and just SWAP..

No it shouldn't, YOU should stop the action you're doing before being able to swap, same as animation canceling, what you're asking for is simply exploitable.,

I didnt said cancel animation, I said cancel effect and all. Why do forum ppl only understand why they want?

Tonnopesce

I think almost evryone suffers from different tipe of lag:
the weapon swapping works good evrywere for me except in bankorai (non vet i'm a dc) and in cyro but only when i'm in the middle of a keep conquer when evrybody is on the flag spamming aoe.
Sometimes it tells me "cannot swap now" and sometimes i press and nothing appen and then it swap 3 or 4 times in a row.
Not a big deal for me... in pve i dont really need to swap and in pvp since i know were it have problems i simply avoid the flags (few ap points lost for a certain death....)

bosmern_ESO

Sunrock wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

Way this happens is because you have a ground AOE aim "loaded" you can't switch weapons while this aim of the AOE is out. So be sure you don't over spam skills like this as if you do the game tend to cast 1 extra after you stoped casting it.

The problem is not the weapon swap mechanic but that the game stores 1 skill in memory if you spam your skills too fast.

I don't have a single AoE ability on my bar, In fact the last time it happened to me I was blocking and not even using abilities because i was trying to conserve magicka to burst heal myself.

Tatuaje

Screw the damn weapon swapping. Just allow us the skills on the screen like any other reasonable game. I am so sick of smashing the ~ to swap for nothing happen. A reasonable count of 35+ skills we could potentially use, and we have to try some broken mechanic to get to a whole 5 more skills. Rage quit to play L4D2 last night after going down 3 times to a Gargoyle.... That mob has no mercy and allows for no sloppy coding by the Devs of a insane devised mechanic as "skill swap".

How some aspects of this game can be so good and others be such abject fails amazes me.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Tatuaje wrote: »

Screw the damn weapon swapping. Just allow us the skills on the screen like any other reasonable game. I am so sick of smashing the ~ to swap for nothing happen. A reasonable count of 35+ skills we could potentially use, and we have to try some broken mechanic to get to a whole 5 more skills. Rage quit to play L4D2 last night after going down 3 times to a Gargoyle.... That mob has no mercy and allows for no sloppy coding by the Devs of a insane devised mechanic as "skill swap".

How some aspects of this game can be so good and others be such abject fails amazes me.

I use L4D2 for honing my shooting skills after playing games like this for too long. It's great for that the guns stay hot the whole time.

Spent nearly 35 minutes killing Gargoyles in the VR Rivenspire finale because I missed the hint in the corner of my screen. They will come forever if you don't fulfill the conditions.

It was fun for a while. Got tedious after the 8th or 9th one.

I swap all the time and I'd beat on it with woven Fire Staff and Crushing Shock till I had 20% then switch to my execution bar for Mages Fury to finish. They kite rather easily once you get their movement down. You can always run past them when they chase you if you kinda duck under their armpit and run past them, never took a hit like that. Backing away, the long range attack, needs to be blocked or it will root you for a few seconds.

Was tired when I finally saw the hint but I know quite a bit about them now. No, I did not die to it. I seldom do in Cadwell's Gold.

Dont Shoot

I get my butt kicked in PVP but that's cause I'm slow and dont move around well enough. If you get killed in combat don't blame the bars and the swaps. The other players have the same disadvantage

WoW implimented a Global Cooldown for a good reason.

There's a pause when switch weapons for a reason.

stuff gets nerfed for a reason.

there's Übermensch out there that can take loose game mechanics and break the game with it.

Soloeus

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

This is an L2P issue, and the system shouldn't be fixed because of your flawed behavior. You aren't good at Weapon Swaping so you want the game changed. I am much better at ESO now that I have mastery over Weapon Swap!

Protip: L2P = Learn To Play. Once you are good at Weapon Swap you won't have any more issues.

Protip 2: Just practice. You will get better. You can do anything you put your mind to, someone once said. Its on the internet somewhere.

khele23eb17_ESO

Wasnt it actually like this for a while? And then they broke it...

Armitas

This is how I would like it to work.

1)Allow skill queuing to 1 queued skill. If one skill is animating, 1 skill is queued for next, and a 2nd action is requested make it replace the prior queued skill.

2) Make weapon swap empty out all queued skills. Lets say I am spamming impulse, and I take a big hit, but my heal is on bar 2. I don't want to have to finish animating, then run my queued impulse, then switch and animate my heal. I want to activate my heal as soon as my current skill is done animating even though my heal is on another bar and I already have a skill queued on my current bar. Make the hotswap empty out all queued skills.

3) Allow weapon swap during animation. Same example. I get hit hard while animating an impulse. I want to be able to swap weapons while the current animation is going off so that I can queue my heal on a different bar for the next action. I don't want to wait to finish my current animation before I can get to my skill on the other bar to queue it. I want to be able to queue up the next skill for immediate use even though it is on the other bar.

4)Not a big priority but it should be added because it should now be possible. Let us weave any weapon type with any non weapon skill regardless of the bar it's on. For example. Let me start a heavy attack on bar 1 and weave it with a non weapon skill on bar 2. For a precise example let me start a heavy destro staff attack, switch weapons after the charge begins while still holding down the charge and then weave a non weapon skill like unstable flame. The actual weapon swap animation should occur after the weave is completed. Because you can now switch bars while under an animation this could now be possible.

I have died a lot due to the slow response of having to wait for the current animation to finish, then the queued animation to finish, then the hotswap switch, then the activation of my heal. I need that heal to begin as soon as my current animation finishes not after my queued skill ends.

Cogo

Tatuaje wrote: »

Screw the damn weapon swapping. Just allow us the skills on the screen like any other reasonable game. I am so sick of smashing the ~ to swap for nothing happen. A reasonable count of 35+ skills we could potentially use, and we have to try some broken mechanic to get to a whole 5 more skills. Rage quit to play L4D2 last night after going down 3 times to a Gargoyle.... That mob has no mercy and allows for no sloppy coding by the Devs of a insane devised mechanic as "skill swap".

How some aspects of this game can be so good and others be such abject fails amazes me.

Because skill comes from your choice of skills. To be able to use all skills you have, not only makes ESO to a WoW dumb game, but will be unbalanced to hell...when 2 guild skill lines, champion system, spell crafting. Werewolf skills, new global skills from the new PvE solo zone hits...

And thats just what we know of.....

Imperial city MAY bring PvP skills, which must be intergrated in all players somehow.

The skill bar is the reason why we can get more skills without unbalance the game. And zenimax can tweak...instead of not releasing.

As well, as it force everyone to THINK, what to do...how they want to play, who they are as a player. You can choose anything! Just not at the same time ;-)

Personal skill, something Zenimax been saying since 2011....will have a bigger impact on everyones gameplay then most fearures.

Cogo

Why are some of you "Good" pvpers keep asking for things that would make anyone be "good"? Are not pvp way more about being really good, fast and ....good!

I dont get it. Some people here ASKS for exploits?!?!

spoqster

Armitas wrote: »

This is how I would like it to work.

1)Allow skill queuing to 1 queued skill. If one skill is animating, 1 skill is queued for next, and a 2nd action is requested make it replace the prior queued skill.

2) Make weapon swap empty out all queued skills. Lets say I am spamming impulse, and I take a big hit, but my heal is on bar 2. I don't want to have to finish animating, then run my queued impulse, then switch and animate my heal. I want to activate my heal as soon as my current skill is done animating even though my heal is on another bar and I already have a skill queued on my current bar. Make the hotswap empty out all queued skills.

3) Allow weapon swap during animation. Same example. I get hit hard while animating an impulse. I want to be able to swap weapons while the current animation is going off so that I can queue my heal on a different bar for the next action. I don't want to wait to finish my current animation before I can get to my skill on the other bar to queue it. I want to be able to queue up the next skill for immediate use even though it is on the other bar.

4)Not a big priority but it should be added because it should now be possible. Let us weave any weapon type with any non weapon skill regardless of the bar it's on. For example. Let me start a heavy attack on bar 1 and weave it with a non weapon skill on bar 2. For a precise example let me start a heavy destro staff attack, switch weapons after the charge begins while still holding down the charge and then weave a non weapon skill like unstable flame. The actual weapon swap animation should occur after the weave is completed. Because you can now switch bars while under an animation this could now be possible.

I have died a lot due to the slow response of having to wait for the current animation to finish, then the queued animation to finish, then the hotswap switch, then the activation of my heal. I need that heal to begin as soon as my current animation finishes not after my queued skill ends.

After a lot of opinionated back and forth this is finally a concrete and good proposal. Can someone from ZOS like @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ comment on this proposal? Has this type of mechanic been considered? Are there good reasons against it? Maybe this hasn't been considered. It wouldn't be the end of the world. Game developers overlook better solutions sometimes. No one blames you.

Concerning weapon swapping during cast animations: I just realised that I have never considered that this might have been a conscious choice. I have always assumed that this is a bug. It didn't even occur to me that this choice might have been made consciously. Does anyone here have a good idea what a possible reason might be to disallow weapon swapping during cast animations?

For clarification: I don't mind that the swap happens after the animation runs out. My biggest issue is that the client ignores the weapon swap key press during a cast animation. But since there is a delay to weapon swap you as a player don't know if the swap is delayed or ignored. This absence of information takes control away from the player, and that to me is a questionable design choice. They could have added at least an auditive or visual feedback that differentiates the two actions.

Tyr

Cogo wrote: »

Um, weapon swap is now cached in your client.
Yes, there are problems with it, but it does work. They are working on it.

The past fix they did, to weapon animations, which was HIGHLY wanted, was done and needs to be calibrated. Do you not want them to fix that?

Weapon swap is important for everyone, thank you very much.

Just like you say, sometimes I press, nothing happens. press again and I swap twice and back. In Vet dungeons, I die...and the group wipes.

Yes....But a lot of other things works which didn't before. Balancing is outstanding. Cant even compare today to 1 month ago.

Zenimax is improving the game, making it work as intended.
They do not give exploits to people who think they should get them.

Weapon swap was MEANT to have a 2 second delay! For balance purposes.
This was changed, when Zenimax saw that weapon swap is not making any unbalance issues, but it a good tool for those who manage it.

Let them work. Report BUGS.

Weapon swap is cached in YOUR computer
Right now there is a bug connected to the new animations they are working on. And some lag issues. THAT's the weapon swap problem.

It just don't reach the server as it should, YET.

Yep this is correct.
Weapon swap is number 1 priority but it is bugged so not working as intended.

MADshadowman

Soloeus wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

This is an L2P issue, and the system shouldn't be fixed because of your flawed behavior. You aren't good at Weapon Swaping so you want the game changed. I am much better at ESO now that I have mastery over Weapon Swap!

Protip: L2P = Learn To Play. Once you are good at Weapon Swap you won't have any more issues.

Protip 2: Just practice. You will get better. You can do anything you put your mind to, someone once said. Its on the internet somewhere.

This is total bullpoop. sometimes weapon swap refuses to work, this has nothing to do with L2P. i know when i need to swap weapons, but if i need to hit the key like 7 times, this has nothing to do with me but with the game not accepting my input. sometimes the swap is just delayed by 2 seconds. doesn't make it better.

Under optimal circumstances i can see how it's supposed to be working.

swap, fire, swap, fire, swap, fire. no problem.

Weapon swap needs to be number one priority.

Vahrokh

I agree with the above.
Weapon swap is not a L2P issue, else it should happen constantly and repeatably.

It doesnt. It works 90% of the time but then all you hear is "BURZ!" and nothing happens. Now, other games clearly let understand when lack of responsiveness is due to a temporary lag spike and when it's not. But ESO does not, so you are left wondering what the hell is going on when you swap weapons and nothing happens but "BURZ!".

Soloeus

MADshadowman wrote: »

This is total bullpoop. sometimes weapon swap refuses to work, this has nothing to do with L2P. i know when i need to swap weapons, but if i need to hit the key like 7 times, this has nothing to do with me but with the game not accepting my input. sometimes the swap is just delayed by 2 seconds. doesn't make it better.

Under optimal circumstances i can see how it's supposed to be working.

swap, fire, swap, fire, swap, fire. no problem.

Weapon swap needs to be number one priority.

Then you have an issue with your connection, according to above posts, it seems like the "error" happens on your side with the action cached to your computer.

So fix your computer and stop blaming others for your failures.

heyguyslol

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Whenever im battling in PvP, My main source of death is when I need to swap weapons so I can use a defensive bar and my person sits there doing nothing.

Please make weapon swapping #1 priority, there is no lag and I shouldn't have to press weapon swap key 7 times for my person to finally do it.

This wont happen because its not effecting PVE. Zos would rather fix facial animations with your $15 a month sub. This company really knows how to prioritize the games needs, best I've seen from any developer actually, lol.

Oh wait they are different departments, wow I'm so dumb.

Valen_Byte

Maybe if you put this post in the correct area on the forums they would see it.

MADshadowman

Soloeus wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

This is total bullpoop. sometimes weapon swap refuses to work, this has nothing to do with L2P. i know when i need to swap weapons, but if i need to hit the key like 7 times, this has nothing to do with me but with the game not accepting my input. sometimes the swap is just delayed by 2 seconds. doesn't make it better.

Under optimal circumstances i can see how it's supposed to be working.

swap, fire, swap, fire, swap, fire. no problem.

Weapon swap needs to be number one priority.

Then you have an issue with your connection, according to above posts, it seems like the "error" happens on your side with the action cached to your computer.

So fix your computer and stop blaming others for your failures.

My computer is just fine and my connection is awesome, you on the other hand... not so much.

You seem to know things better, so please share your wisdom with everyone.

Soloeus

MADshadowman wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

This is total bullpoop. sometimes weapon swap refuses to work, this has nothing to do with L2P. i know when i need to swap weapons, but if i need to hit the key like 7 times, this has nothing to do with me but with the game not accepting my input. sometimes the swap is just delayed by 2 seconds. doesn't make it better.

Under optimal circumstances i can see how it's supposed to be working.

swap, fire, swap, fire, swap, fire. no problem.

Weapon swap needs to be number one priority.

Then you have an issue with your connection, according to above posts, it seems like the "error" happens on your side with the action cached to your computer.

So fix your computer and stop blaming others for your failures.

My computer is just fine and my connection is awesome, you on the other hand... not so much.

You seem to know things better, so please share your wisdom with everyone.

You can't even follow basic instructions. You receive well documented instructions for multiple machines and operating systems. This is because they used a holistic approach to help you instead of assuming you were on a specific machine.

You failed to comprehend the instructions so you came here and yelled at Zenimax, like a little boy who dropped the ice cream cone.

spoqster

Why do most of these forum threads always turn into bashing exercises? @Armitas‌ made some good and thought through suggestions and instead of commenting on these or offering additions or even their own suggestions, people just complain and insult each other.

Jaxsun

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Wasnt it actually like this for a while? And then they broke it...

Yes, it was #1 for a while and they changed/broke it.

MADshadowman

Soloeus wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

This is total bullpoop. sometimes weapon swap refuses to work, this has nothing to do with L2P. i know when i need to swap weapons, but if i need to hit the key like 7 times, this has nothing to do with me but with the game not accepting my input. sometimes the swap is just delayed by 2 seconds. doesn't make it better.

Under optimal circumstances i can see how it's supposed to be working.

swap, fire, swap, fire, swap, fire. no problem.

Weapon swap needs to be number one priority.

Then you have an issue with your connection, according to above posts, it seems like the "error" happens on your side with the action cached to your computer.

So fix your computer and stop blaming others for your failures.

My computer is just fine and my connection is awesome, you on the other hand... not so much.

You seem to know things better, so please share your wisdom with everyone.

You can't even follow basic instructions. You receive well documented instructions for multiple machines and operating systems. This is because they used a holistic approach to help you instead of assuming you were on a specific machine.

You failed to comprehend the instructions so you came here and yelled at Zenimax, like a little boy who dropped the ice cream cone.

Buddy, you might wanna read this whole post again.

I did not receive any instructions, because i did not contact the support over that issue.

I also didn't yell at Zenimax and i'm pretty sure nobody in this thread did.

But you obviously like to attack people with nonsense you just made up.

In case you missed it: i asked you to share your wisdom with everyone, cause you seem to know everything better.

So please do so, this is your time, this is your chance.