Night Blade Class State/ Animation Cancelling

blackatronic

I am now a veteran and like every night blade I am super disappointed at the state of the class across the board it seems impossible to come up with a build that does enough damage/or can tank well as other classes or just be useful. the only way to be viable is to exploit broken game mechanics by animation cancelling. I am disappointed and will be quitting this game until night blades are fixed. Medium passives are stamina based or sneaking based and yet are just simply useless because a stamina build is useless for dw or two hand damage compared to magicka and if you want a viable sneak build you need magicka not stamina so medium armour is simply useless to a night blade why have it as an option at all. Animation cancelling makes this game glitchy and stupid and breaks immersion yet is is the only way to play. I can mange to do more aoe damage than single target damage when I am not even speced for it. I am sure everyone on this forum has heard it all before but I hope eso knows that it will start losing its customers who want to play night blade and do damage because we are just being blatantly ignored. Don't get me wrong I enjoy playing this game, but others don't enjoy playing it with me because my class is useless so all my leveling and all my work is useless.

just needed to rage

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

/hug

SoulScream

I'm currently playing a nb on the non vet pvp server and having a blast. I don't intend to go past the non vet lvls with him. I have three other alts that need some love!

blackatronic

Im not saying they are not fun to play. The tools the class uses are fun just not effective end game

Varicite

Hmm, NBs are broken because... you don't want to use animation cancelling (that every class uses) and because.. you don't like medium armor to be stealthy?

Or is it because NB class skills scale off of magicka / spell damage, just like all class skills?

I'm having trouble picking out literally anything in the OP that has anything to do w/ NBs specifically.

Gorthax

not using animation cancelling is a CHOICE. Not every one wants to look *** doing it. I tried it, yea its effective, but cant stand the way your character looks while doing it. Therefor I dont use it. Sometimes it happens in the heat of a battle.

blackatronic

Mabye your right about my post not being about Nb but just stamina builds in general and animation cancelling. I tried other builds but i want to dps with a melee weapon in medium armor as a Night blade. But this is not possible. Now this could just be how they want things and stamina builds are just not supposed to be played for dps if so then this is just not for me. Others may be happy to rock a staff and robe and that's all good for them. The animation cancelling on the other is just poor design unimmerse and clunky. Some are happy with this also but until this addressed I'm not willing to play

Varicite wrote: »

Hmm, NBs are broken because... you don't want to use animation cancelling (that every class uses) and because.. you don't like medium armor to be stealthy?

Or is it because NB class skills scale off of magicka / spell damage, just like all class skills?

I'm having trouble picking out literally anything in the OP that has anything to do w/ NBs specifically.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Gorthax wrote: »

not using animation cancelling is a CHOICE. Not every one wants to look *** doing it. I tried it, yea its effective, but cant stand the way your character looks while doing it. Therefor I dont use it. Sometimes it happens in the heat of a battle.

I don't think you can complain about a class not being viable when you refuse to use basic untended features that everyone else uses because you don't feel pretty when you do.

Not that NBs couldn't use some serious love, but this problem is of your own making.

blackatronic

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

not using animation cancelling is a CHOICE. Not every one wants to look *** doing it. I tried it, yea its effective, but cant stand the way your character looks while doing it. Therefor I dont use it. Sometimes it happens in the heat of a battle.

I don't think you can complain about a class not being viable when you refuse to use basic untended features that everyone else uses because you don't feel pretty when you do.

Not that NBs couldn't use some serious love, but this problem is of your own making.

Its a game it's supposed to be pretty if I wanted to watch numbers fly across a screen while 3d model jerks around I'd play WOW

Aeratus

The animation cancelling on the other is just poor design unimmerse and clunky. Some are happy with this also but until this addressed I'm not willing to play

Fully disagree. Animation cancelling lets me input commands to my character smoothly.

Also, animation cancelling is essential to sustained ranged dps using siphoning attacks in pvp. Without animation cancelling, NBs will be significantly weaker.

blackatronic

That's my point they shouldn't need animation cancelling in the first place to not be weak

blackatronic

Look this is just my opinion know NB can be viable with some work arounds but I have just come to the conclusion that's the mechanics are not for me and I won't be playing unless they are made smoother in some fashion.

Aoife32001

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

not using animation cancelling is a CHOICE. Not every one wants to look *** doing it. I tried it, yea its effective, but cant stand the way your character looks while doing it. Therefor I dont use it. Sometimes it happens in the heat of a battle.

I don't think you can complain about a class not being viable when you refuse to use basic untended features that everyone else uses because you don't feel pretty when you do.

Not that NBs couldn't use some serious love, but this problem is of your own making.

Not everyone uses animation canceling... I don't use it, not simply because it looks ***, but because I consider it a lame exploit. Fortunately for me, I'm not a competitive gamer, so I couldn't care less if I can't do trials/etc because some high-strung, hyper-competitive gamer needs to be the "best". If the OP does, though, I agree with him that it is unfortunate he is being forced to in order to be "competitive".

While I understand the OP's complaints, unfortunately, the way ESO seems to work, I doubt you'll be able to play how you want for at least a few major updates. If you do quit, please do come back in a few months though and see if anything is better for stamina builds. It is an issue that ZoS is aware of, and hopefully will fix over the long run.

Varicite

blackatronic wrote: »

That's my point they shouldn't need animation cancelling in the first place to not be weak

Every class uses animation cancelling to "not be weak".

If nobody used animation cancelling, NBs would still be fine. If NBs do use animation cancelling currently, they are fine.

Stamina builds in general are below magicka builds in DPS, but as far as stamina builds go, NB is currently parsing amongst all of the highest DPS stam builds.

Still not seeing any NB issues. : P

Prabooo

blackatronic wrote: »

Mabye your right about my post not being about Nb but just stamina builds in general and animation cancelling. I tried other builds but i want to dps with a melee weapon in medium armor as a Night blade. But this is not possible. Now this could just be how they want things and stamina builds are just not supposed to be played for dps if so then this is just not for me. Others may be happy to rock a staff and robe and that's all good for them. The animation cancelling on the other is just poor design unimmerse and clunky. Some are happy with this also but until this addressed I'm not willing to play

AC is possible with melee weapons and with staffs and bows, all kinds of weapon/skill weavings.

And as it was previously stated, it is a choice. You don't need to be competitive in PvP in order to roleplay or enjoy the beauty of the game.

mr1sho

Lol the necro is real

dodgehopper_ESO

blackatronic wrote: »

Mabye your right about my post not being about Nb but just stamina builds in general and animation cancelling. I tried other builds but i want to dps with a melee weapon in medium armor as a Night blade. But this is not possible. Now this could just be how they want things and stamina builds are just not supposed to be played for dps if so then this is just not for me. Others may be happy to rock a staff and robe and that's all good for them. The animation cancelling on the other is just poor design unimmerse and clunky. Some are happy with this also but until this addressed I'm not willing to play

Varicite wrote: »

Hmm, NBs are broken because... you don't want to use animation cancelling (that every class uses) and because.. you don't like medium armor to be stealthy?

Or is it because NB class skills scale off of magicka / spell damage, just like all class skills?

I'm having trouble picking out literally anything in the OP that has anything to do w/ NBs specifically.

At least nb is fairly easy to animation cancel.

NovaShadow

If you don't like ani cancel, don't use it.

I personally don't and fair just fine.

Yusuf

This thread is from... like.. when the game was still subscribtion-based and no class had any stamina-morphs

Alucardo

Surprise Attack and Ambush is all you need bro.



I'm running 6 impen and still getting hit with 6k+ insta cast bollocks. WTB igneous shield buff

Alucardo

Oh, right. Old thread. WHO KEEPS SUMMONING THESE FORSAKEN POSTS

Emma_Overload

LOL, I wonder what happened to the OP since 2014? Does he even know Stamblades are OP as **** in 2016?

Alucardo

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

LOL, I wonder what happened to the OP since 2014? Does he even know Stamblades are OP as **** in 2016?

I thought something was off when he said he had no damage