Why is Ebonheart Pact the least popular?

Reivax

You are mistaken.

I played through Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim all with my Axe-swinging Nord alter-ego, Reivax. It was only natural that I play him here in ESO as well.

MADshadowman

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ViciousWayz wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

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PVP based

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AD and DC have many cheaters and exploiters (no offense), so everyone who likes an easy game just joins them.

I've done a lot of pvp and one thing i could see from the beginning is that EP seems to have the fairest players. EP tries to play a normal AvA play style focused on getiing keeps and having an emperor.

What i see AD and DC doing is zerging and farming.

We apparently play two different games. I have characters in all 3 alliances and while yes the AD will team up WITH EACH OTHER (guilds with guilds, etc.. like a network), EP and DC will more often than any other combo --- team up together against AD. Yeah fair play, normal AvA LOL

+1 LOL for you

LOL you right back.

KingRebz

You are mistaken.

last time i checked the alliance war, EB had the most users

david271749

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/133399/which-alliance-do-you-fight-for/p1

GnatB

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PlagueMonk wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Has to do with the desired races. With the preorder pack you can make any race on any faction, however it's clear that the other factions have better racials than EP does. Which was one of the many reasons why factions were a dumb idea in this game.

Some will try to argue that the racials really don't matter but we all know that's not true, it's quite clear that certain races are much better for certain classes and playstyles and the racials make quite a difference.

Then you got the ones that will flock to the dominant pvp side, no matter what.
Even though cyrodiil is a fraction of the population, it does skew the numbers somewhat.

Another thing that drove people away from ebonheart? we had the most bugged quests early on, especially quests to get in to veteran content. So people flocked to other factions because they couldn't keep playing their characters and most never went back because it took them a long time to fix the end game for ebonheart at the time.

THIS is the correct answer.

I have a pre-account so I can create a race on any faction but we are becoming a rare lot considering those who stopped playing vs those who started.

When I hear people talking about play Class X, they choose the race with the best racial for their class and inevitably it means one of the AD races.

IMHO the Argonian's are the coolest race but have the worst racials because NONE of them synergize with a class. They really need to give Argonians passives to sneak/invisibility and all around thievery and you would see EP Arg NB brigades out in PvP.

I have to give some credence to that as well, though not particularly due to the racials. My favorite ES classes have always been Khajit, Bosmer, and Altmer (in that order) since Arena. Not surprisingly, I have several AD characters.

JoffyToffy69

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It's because most EP players are console gamers, looking for 'Skyrim'. They are usually the worst to group and play with too. Most wanting to be 'solo players'. Also, most console gamers hate sub fees so they most likely left the game shortly after their first month or so.

And I bet most of them picked Nords hahaha

babylon

It's because of their stinky cuisine.

Forestd16b14_ESO

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Well from what i understand is that Pact has the longest and hardest start island you know the place you go to after you escape Coldharbor. Plus what I seen when you do Cadwells stuff it's true with Covenant and Dominion all you gotta do is 2 quest that's it. To Pacts island were you have to rescue a entire town by doing a side quest for them which is like 8 or 9 quest on top of escorting the town afterwards to safety. So the reason we seem so under populated is cause we have a real starter island. Every one in the Covenant and Dominion wanted to just rush through the islands to get to the main story hence why they have more population cause no one wanted to slow down and enjoy the game and the story of said starter island. But that's what i heard. But still i am proud to be a nord of the pact cause even with us still being "under populated" as you stated it still takes a zerg group of 30+ atleast 15 to 20 mins to take a keep from us. Just wish there were more nords, dunmmers , and argonians ... kinda a mood killer seeing some khajiits or bosmers or orcs fighting for the dragon banner .....

Morrighan_Ravenborn

I chose AD in the hopes I'd run into Legolas

Messy1

You are mistaken.

This is an interesting thread. Things have definitely changed since the game launched. DC used to be the underdog followed by AD with EP at the top. Good to know things have shifted and that things will probably continue to ebb and flow.

Knootewoot

You are mistaken.

I don't think they are the least popular. All my friends joined EP whilst i was the only one who went DC. Same as my bro's. Although they all no longer play i don't think EP was the least popular.

Khami

Hurbster wrote: »

Blame the devs for not giving Ebonheart a bank. I wonder why Skywatch does ?

Anyway playing EP teaches you that the other factions are straight up ***.

EP has two starter isles and both have a bank. AD only gets Khenarthi's Roost and it only has one bank

Kikazaru

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They need to take care of their rat problems.

Draxys

I dunno, maybe because the EP king guy sounds like he has a steroid problem and an IQ of about 12?

kewl

Argonians and Nords were made into caricatures. The faction leader is that killer, Gaear Grimsrud, from Fargo, "Where is pancakes house, we stop at pancakes house." Dark elves are about the only interesting thing in EP. Sorry bro, your faction is trash.

FOR BECKINSALE!

jelliedsoup

I'm ad as I like the bosmer, but not the other two. I would never choose either of the other two.

starkerealm

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kewl wrote: »

Argonians and Nords were made into caricatures. The faction leader sounds like that killer, Gaear Grimsrud, from Fargo, "Where is pancakes house, we stop at pancakes house." Dark elves are about the only interesting thing in EP. Sorry bro, your faction is trash.

FOR BECKINSALE!

That might be because King Jorunn is voiced by Peter Stormare. You might know him better as Grimsrud from Fargo.

Hurbster

You are mistaken.

Khami wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Blame the devs for not giving Ebonheart a bank. I wonder why Skywatch does ?

Anyway playing EP teaches you that the other factions are straight up ***.

EP has two starter isles and both have a bank. AD only gets Khenarthi's Roost and it only has one bank

AD has one starter island, DC and EP have theirs split in two. Oh, and the one on Bleakrock gets to be pretty much inaccessible as the story progresses.

Redlag

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Hmm I see plenty of different people using different skills in the game. I see three different skills from the people I am talking about.

My death window is usually a mix of stuff from different classes. Suspiciously, when I fight EP, it is usually just the three aforementioned abilities, oh and sometimes oil.

I have to agree. Plus it's really sad to see one of them lost and trying to pulsar down a group of mine ally. As they are spamming ring of fire solo I can't help but wonder if they think they must be bugged because we're not instantly dying.

Poor EP monkeys.

AshySamurai

Dont know why you think that EP most unpopular. Which Alliance Do You Fight For?

Lorgend

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MADshadowman wrote: »

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PVP based

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AD and DC have many cheaters and exploiters (no offense), so everyone who likes an easy game just joins them.

I've done a lot of pvp and one thing i could see from the beginning is that EP seems to have the fairest players. EP tries to play a normal AvA play style focused on getiing keeps and having an emperor.

What i see AD and DC doing is zerging and farming.

DC got pretty strong in pvp, although they're sometimes using questionable methods.

AD is not very good, but gains some strength, cause DC is sometimes helping them out. I don't know why that is, but AD players seem to adapt this pretentious behavior we all know from the aldmeri and thalmor.

EP, like i said, seems to be the most honest faction to me. Sure there are some exploiters lately, but after 6 months of playing i've only seen a handful of them. AD and DC on the other hand seem to enjoy the unfair play style a little more.

I hope i didn't offend anyone here, i just wanted to tell you what i've been experiencing over the last 6 months.

what exactly do you mean by saying exploiters?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

kewl wrote: »

Argonians and Nords were made into caricatures. The faction leader sounds like that killer, Gaear Grimsrud, from Fargo, "Where is pancakes house, we stop at pancakes house." Dark elves are about the only interesting thing in EP. Sorry bro, your faction is trash.

FOR BECKINSALE!

That might be because King Jorunn is voiced by Peter Stormare. You might know him better as Grimsrud from Fargo.

Fargo was such a good movie, one of my favorites. I loved the psychopath in that. This makes me like Jorunn a little more. I will just imagine him feeding a leg into a chipper shredder.

Kreetar

I, too, think it is the least popular.

I always thought it was maybe a bit less popular, but I could be mistaken.

Samwell Slayer

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samwell Slayer wrote: »

Fact is EP owned Chillrend by cheating (putting up troll camps over and over and over) and DC and AD got tired of it and wiped them out. Now EP is butt hurt cuz they do not own a server.

-everyone- has people that put up troll camps on their side.

Someone from DC was doing it to us in AD, and before that, it was actually a disgruntled AD player.

I'm fairly certain there are AD people that do it to DC and EP and so on and so forth.

Every battle against EP involved a troll camp, while I can count on one hand the number of troll camps during a fight with DC. If it were simply a disgruntled AD player this sort of obvious assymmetry would not occur.

Samwell Slayer

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Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Well from what i understand is that Pact has the longest and hardest start island you know the place you go to after you escape Coldharbor. Plus what I seen when you do Cadwells stuff it's true with Covenant and Dominion all you gotta do is 2 quest that's it. To Pacts island were you have to rescue a entire town by doing a side quest for them which is like 8 or 9 quest on top of escorting the town afterwards to safety. So the reason we seem so under populated is cause we have a real starter island. Every one in the Covenant and Dominion wanted to just rush through the islands to get to the main story hence why they have more population cause no one wanted to slow down and enjoy the game and the story of said starter island. But that's what i heard. But still i am proud to be a nord of the pact cause even with us still being "under populated" as you stated it still takes a zerg group of 30+ atleast 15 to 20 mins to take a keep from us. Just wish there were more nords, dunmmers , and argonians ... kinda a mood killer seeing some khajiits or bosmers or orcs fighting for the dragon banner .....

Really?

DC has two starter islands

AD's starter island is twice the size of EP's (didn't count the number of quests thouugh).

Elvent

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I only joined EP to see what Skyrim was like, then went back to DC.

People are saying something to do with PvP are the reasons or something, I wouldn't know since I don't PvP and never will, I still have no clue what Cyrodiil looks like...oh well.

So not everybody that chooses factions choose because of the PvP :P

Luvsfuzzybunnies

MADshadowman wrote: »

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PVP based

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AD and DC have many cheaters and exploiters (no offense), so everyone who likes an easy game just joins them.

I've done a lot of pvp and one thing i could see from the beginning is that EP seems to have the fairest players. EP tries to play a normal AvA play style focused on getiing keeps and having an emperor.

What i see AD and DC doing is zerging and farming.

DC got pretty strong in pvp, although they're sometimes using questionable methods.

AD is not very good, but gains some strength, cause DC is sometimes helping them out. I don't know why that is, but AD players seem to adapt this pretentious behavior we all know from the aldmeri and thalmor.

EP, like i said, seems to be the most honest faction to me. Sure there are some exploiters lately, but after 6 months of playing i've only seen a handful of them. AD and DC on the other hand seem to enjoy the unfair play style a little more.

I hope i didn't offend anyone here, i just wanted to tell you what i've been experiencing over the last 6 months.

Not offended just wanted to point out that the largest group of exploiting/cheating I can think of right now belongs to the ebonheart pact. Just for the record it involves vampirism in case it doesn't ring any bells for ya just yet.

Troll92

I, too, think it is the least popular.

Here's how i see things. I see this as a mostly pvp based statement. And i think this has to do a lot with HOW pvp is played. If we're speaking of numbers EP outpupolates the other two, but in other regards this is how i see it:
Organization:
EP usually just groups up and follows the map (to some extent). Wherever there's trouble they go and fight. Sometimes on multiple fronts as i've seen in most campaigns as AD and DC seem to bash EP together every chance they get, with varying success. But they are mostly dosorganised, don't follow "orders" very well and are only effective when lead by someone. EP doesn't know tactics very much, they just overwhelm by numbers when possible, and that's not wrong. Battles are won by numbers but if the battle lasts too long, it becomes chaos.
DC is more strategic. They know they don't have the numbers so they need to play more based on strategy. Throw in the odd ballgroup farmers here and there and that's basically it.
AD on the other hand, in any campaign i've played (except below 50) are mostly comprised of ballgroups. The "cheating" that is mentioned in many posts here is just referring to exploiting. Exploting the server instability caused by the ballgroup. The extra server lag in the area caused by them that basically renders your spells/abilities useless. Use a spell or ability on them? Either ot doesn't register, your ability casts way long after it was supposed to hit anything, or the target has already dodged an apparent hit. That is the major problem i see here. Everyone hates AD because all they ever do in PVP is form ballgroups and come to any conflict area to make it unplayable or attack the odd empty keep. I enjoy fighting DC. They have strategy you have to counter, they come in large numbers and make Cyrodiil feel alive and like a real conflict area. When you fight AD it's just a bunch of players running around in small unstoppable mostly unkillable groups that cause lag and make everything unplayable. Rarely have i fought AD in an army posture, with sieges and all that. Cyrodiil is meant to be played as a giant 3 way pvp arena. When one faction just runs around and hits the other two with ults while suffering nothing, it takes away from the experience.

Tandor

Wow, some necro from 2014.

Bucky_13

You are mistaken.

Troll92 wrote: »

Here's how i see things. I see this as a mostly pvp based statement. And i think this has to do a lot with HOW pvp is played. If we're speaking of numbers EP outpupolates the other two, but in other regards this is how i see it:
Organization:
EP usually just groups up and follows the map (to some extent). Wherever there's trouble they go and fight. Sometimes on multiple fronts as i've seen in most campaigns as AD and DC seem to bash EP together every chance they get, with varying success. But they are mostly dosorganised, don't follow "orders" very well and are only effective when lead by someone. EP doesn't know tactics very much, they just overwhelm by numbers when possible, and that's not wrong. Battles are won by numbers but if the battle lasts too long, it becomes chaos.
DC is more strategic. They know they don't have the numbers so they need to play more based on strategy. Throw in the odd ballgroup farmers here and there and that's basically it.
AD on the other hand, in any campaign i've played (except below 50) are mostly comprised of ballgroups. The "cheating" that is mentioned in many posts here is just referring to exploiting. Exploting the server instability caused by the ballgroup. The extra server lag in the area caused by them that basically renders your spells/abilities useless. Use a spell or ability on them? Either ot doesn't register, your ability casts way long after it was supposed to hit anything, or the target has already dodged an apparent hit. That is the major problem i see here. Everyone hates AD because all they ever do in PVP is form ballgroups and come to any conflict area to make it unplayable or attack the odd empty keep. I enjoy fighting DC. They have strategy you have to counter, they come in large numbers and make Cyrodiil feel alive and like a real conflict area. When you fight AD it's just a bunch of players running around in small unstoppable mostly unkillable groups that cause lag and make everything unplayable. Rarely have i fought AD in an army posture, with sieges and all that. Cyrodiil is meant to be played as a giant 3 way pvp arena. When one faction just runs around and hits the other two with ults while suffering nothing, it takes away from the experience.

So I assume you're a necromancer, raising 7 year old threads from the dead and all, how is it to play that class on DC side?