What do you guys think about the public guild traders?

yuffira

They've been around for a month or so. What's your opinion on them?

I personally think they're okay but it would be a lot more enjoyable if they were all united in a single place.
Having to visit so many places if you want to buy some gear is just a hassle. One trading house for each alliance where you can visit all the guild traders without having to walk around, like an Auction House really.

I don't mind the competition between guilds to get a trader though.

EQBallzz

It's better than nothing but still pretty lacking IMO and doesn't serve small guilds or solo players. Unless you have a large guild that can support the high cost you are pretty much left out of the system as a seller. IMO that is not an equitable system.

I don't mind if there are perks associated with size but it shouldn't be an all or nothing type system. Small guilds or solo players should have a viable way to sell to the greater public even if there are some sort of restrictions.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I like them tbh. I don't want the market to be too exposed. I hate AHs as it is, but it would be utterly wretched on a megaserver.

This is one of the things I think ZOS did right.

ers101284b14_ESO

I like them I also like the update to make it easier to search through them

Nestor

I like them. I have not tried the new search feature yet. That was the biggest issue I had was searching different Traders for something specific.

SirAndy

The current system does favor large trading guilds. My smaller guild was without a trader for two weeks because we didn't have the funds to bid high enough.

Not sure for how long we can keep our current trader. Not every guild has millions of gold to sink into a trader.

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like them tbh. I don't want the market to be too exposed. I hate AHs as it is, but it would be utterly wretched on a megaserver.

This is one of the things I think ZOS did right.

This one agree's...

jelliedsoup

Waste of time for me. I use the guilds I'm a member of to buy stuff.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like them tbh. I don't want the market to be too exposed. I hate AHs as it is, but it would be utterly wretched on a megaserver.

This is one of the things I think ZOS did right.

This one agree's...

we almost always agree ^_^

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

SirAndy wrote: »

The current system does favor large trading guilds. My smaller guild was without a trader for two weeks because we didn't have the funds to bid high enough.

Not sure for how long we can keep our current trader. Not every guild has millions of gold to sink into a trader.

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

Here's the thing, that's working as intended. I don't want to visit a trader that has nothing to sell, so I want the big trading guilds to get the traders, not small ones.

firstdecan

They're kind of useless. Outside of trying to collect pieces for specific dropped sets, who would actually use them? They're only useful for guilds who farm trials, and maybe dragonstar now. Anything else is fairly easy to come by, or not worth the time to craft until you have a buyer lined up.

Nestor

SirAndy wrote: »

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

If they offered a Lottery system for smaller guilds that did not require a bid. Put some limits on it such as max number of members, a limited number of Kiosks for the lottery, one week at a time that kind of thing then the joy could be spread around a little more equitably.

Besides, I have seen at least 3 Guild Trade Kiosks that have no Guild Trader assigned, much less any reaction when clicking on them. Why shouldn't a smaller guild be given the opportunity to run it?

radiostar

Good addition to buying and selling without making ESO feel like a gold-profit game, like with a AH where players have big dollar signs on the eyeballs!

Just that Z needs to continue improving the search features for listings and the delivery of items. Usually have to wayshrine to get mail or relog, delivery time is sometimes a wait.

Traveling around maintains the feel of the game. But I've seen many empty trading booths with no trader there when I shop for stuff. It still needs tweaking, they're not done with it all.

Chuggernaut

Yeah, I've been asking for a regional kiosk that searches all items in the region for sale. This kiosk would be in the capital (or major city) of the region you're currently in. This would still make it worth while to bid on guild vendors, but would actually make it convenient for players to get what they want.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

If they offered a Lottery system for smaller guilds that did not require a bid. Put some limits on it such as max number of members, a limited number of Kiosks for the lottery, one week at a time that kind of thing then the joy could be spread around a little more equitably.

Besides, I have seen at least 3 Guild Trade Kiosks that have no Guild Trader assigned, much less any reaction when clicking on them. Why shouldn't a smaller guild be given the opportunity to run it?

They can, actually. for 200gp after bidding is over.

Nothing stops them but the effort to find the trader.

Either way, I get irked when I get to a guild trader with a crap selection or nothing to sell.

radiostar

SirAndy wrote: »

The current system does favor large trading guilds. My smaller guild was without a trader for two weeks because we didn't have the funds to bid high enough.

Maybe it's new for the Guild purchase page or I just never noticed it before, but it shows how much a bid on a trader was by the Gm. Sometimes less than one would think. But for smaller guilds it will probably have to be searching for the 100g hires.

Z has made it so the guilds have to shop around just like the buyers.

Kalann_Pander

yuffira wrote: »

I personally think they're okay but it would be a lot more enjoyable if they were all united in a single place.
Having to visit so many places if you want to buy some gear is just a hassle. One trading house for each alliance where you can visit all the guild traders without having to walk around, like an Auction House really.

This one doesn't want an AH, therefore this one likes them spread out as they are now.

EQBallzz

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

If they offered a Lottery system for smaller guilds that did not require a bid. Put some limits on it such as max number of members, a limited number of Kiosks for the lottery, one week at a time that kind of thing then the joy could be spread around a little more equitably.

Besides, I have seen at least 3 Guild Trade Kiosks that have no Guild Trader assigned, much less any reaction when clicking on them. Why shouldn't a smaller guild be given the opportunity to run it?

They can, actually. for 200gp after bidding is over.

Nothing stops them but the effort to find the trader.

Either way, I get irked when I get to a guild trader with a crap selection or nothing to sell.

Did you ever think that maybe the guild trader didn't have a crap selection to start with so it sold out before you got to it or before it could be replenished? That's the problem with this system. It severely limits who can offer things for sale which severely limits your options for buying.

They should implement some limited trader options for small guilds or individuals so there are more options for both buyers and sellers. They could keep the trader system for the larger guilds but why not add a bulletin board in major cities that individuals could post items for sale in a limited fashion (or something similar)?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

EQBallzz wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

If they offered a Lottery system for smaller guilds that did not require a bid. Put some limits on it such as max number of members, a limited number of Kiosks for the lottery, one week at a time that kind of thing then the joy could be spread around a little more equitably.

Besides, I have seen at least 3 Guild Trade Kiosks that have no Guild Trader assigned, much less any reaction when clicking on them. Why shouldn't a smaller guild be given the opportunity to run it?

They can, actually. for 200gp after bidding is over.

Nothing stops them but the effort to find the trader.

Either way, I get irked when I get to a guild trader with a crap selection or nothing to sell.

Did you ever think that maybe the guild trader didn't have a crap selection to start with so it sold out before you got to it or before it could be replenished? That's the problem with this system. It severely limits who can offer things for sale which severely limits your options for buying.

They should implement some limited trader options for small guilds or individuals so there are more options for both buyers and sellers. They could keep the trader system for the larger guilds but why not add a bulletin board in major cities that individuals could post items for sale in a limited fashion (or something similar)?

except I was addressing a complaint by a person in a small trader guild. So that's irrelevant.

Probitas

They don't buy anything, so are effectively useless, because unless they have something to sell I want/need, I waste my time with them. It's a one sided economic model that is about as smart as having extra holes in your head.

Zorrashi

Public Guild Vendors? I find them a very good addition. Even getting one of the kiosks with least amount of traffic brings in a considerable amount of gold in comparison to when we don't have one. You just have to know which kiosk to pay attention to if you are a guild master.

For the most part I find what I want, but only because I don't expect to find that VR5 legendary sword at every kiosk. I can find my mats, style materials and even gear that I want to decon/upgrade/research I want easily enough. just be sure to be reasonable on the price, it can't go as cheap as you want sometimes. If I know I likely won't find the item again, I buy it. If I know I can find it somewhere else (i.e. mats) then I can spare the time to look elsewhere.

Still think they should improve the search options a bit though. In fact, any system is subject to improvement imo.

Nhines

Don't really use them that often. Occasionally might look for standard mats and don't have an issue as the prices seem fairly stable. If I'm looking for a specific set piece, I often get to choose between being gouged or dealing with a time sink traveling between areas, which is fun.

indigoblades

the ones i checked had outrages prices .... i dont still dont understand why AH are bad ... but this is my first mmo too. I dont think the current system works very well.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

It baffles me why people sell thing for 100g

i mean the time it took you to go there and list it, you could have killed a mob and sold the junk....and made much more lol

SirAndy

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's the thing, that's working as intended. I don't want to visit a trader that has nothing to sell, so I want the big trading guilds to get the traders, not small ones.

@smeeprocketnub19_ESO
The problem with that is that all the trade guild stores i have been visiting seems to concentrate on the big money items, since that is obviously where the money is they need to put in a large bid again next week.

Fun fact about running a smaller store, a LOT of the items we currently sell are *not* top of the line end-game items that cost 100k+ to buy.
What sells like hotcakes is the lower level stuff, like level 1/2/3 recipes and lower level crafting and provisioning mats.

Just because a guild has 1 million gold to sink into a trader bid doesn't mean they have a meaningful selection of items to sell.
My "small" guild has several 100s of items in our store and we're selling well.

What we don't have is millions of gold to keep bidding on a severely limited number of traders.

TehMagnus

I love them!

Stop with these posts about Auction House, not gonna happen. In any case the better guilds are in most populated places.

Sindala

Over priced and full of junk.
Just people trying to scam those not in guilds (of which their are many) by claiming stuff like a stack of 100 plants is worth 10k gold, ect.

I call this Zeni endorsed scamming as it's legal and encouraged by the Devs.

TehMagnus

Sindala wrote: »

Over priced and full of junk.
Just people trying to scam those not in guilds (of which their are many) by claiming stuff like a stack of 100 plants is worth 10k gold, ect.

I call this Zeni endorsed scamming as it's legal and encouraged by the Devs.

Some stacks of plants are actually worth 10k gold . People can sell them for less, but stacks of Namira or Lady's Smock are usually worth 10K at the very least.

AlnilamE

I do like them. I haven't bought much from them because there isn't much I need, but I do browse them and I found a reasonably priced non-vr purple recipe at one and a blue set necklace at a level a friend needed at another and just grabbed them.

SirAndy wrote: »

The current system does favor large trading guilds. My smaller guild was without a trader for two weeks because we didn't have the funds to bid high enough.

Not sure for how long we can keep our current trader. Not every guild has millions of gold to sink into a trader.

I predict most traders to be unavailable for smaller guilds soon, with the larger trading guilds dominating the market.

Oddly enough, my smaller guild has been more successful at getting a trader than my trading guild. I think we've had one week were we didn't get one, and my trading guild just got their first one this week.

I try to tailor what I'm selling to the location and it seems to work pretty well.

AlnilamE

Also, I hope that the empty carts I see around in some of the trading areas mean that ZOS will add more traders in the future. That would give more guilds the opportunity to join in.

twev

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I like them tbh. I don't want the market to be too exposed. I hate AHs as it is, but it would be utterly wretched on a megaserver.

This is one of the things I think ZOS did right.

Yep, I like 'em, just because it's easy to check traders while wandering around when I need to find some piece I need to research.

And, I use the traders because it's easier than bugging the 2 friends I have that still play regularly enough to be online, for some research piece, too.

magnusnet wrote: »

Sindala wrote: »

Over priced and full of junk.
Just people trying to scam those not in guilds (of which their are many) by claiming stuff like a stack of 100 plants is worth 10k gold, ect.

I call this Zeni endorsed scamming as it's legal and encouraged by the Devs.

Some stacks of plants are actually worth 10k gold . People can sell them for less, but stacks of Namira or Lady's Smock are usually worth 10K at the very least.

Seriously?
I've been giving them away.
I need to look into this.