Concealed Weapon (What am I missing?)

Tendeep

This skill appears to no longer impact my character in anyway. I appear to not receive the 25% bonus to stealth speed.

I move the same speed if this skill is on my bar or not... also, I tried it naked, so gear is ruled out...

onlinegamer1

You are missing a "C".



All joking aside, you're missing the fact that ZoS devs are horrible, as is their QA department. <-- not joking

Tavore1138

Patch... broke... devs hate NBs...

Tendeep

Is this a known issue from Update 4, and I just missed it already posted?

The C is back! But my speed is not lol

Arsenic_Touch

Aww, did they break it again? haha.

Shunravi

ZOS has decided against the melee rogue buildtype, and they are actively trying to phase it out. It's not just NB and NB skills, it's anyone who wants to play the type.

Besides, surprise attack is the better morph anyways.

Tavore1138

They seem to have broken most things relating to stealth speed this patch.... trying to fix how unbalanced and OP nightblades had become I assume /sarcasmoff

Arsenic_Touch

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

They seem to have broken most things relating to stealth speed this patch.... trying to fix how unbalanced and OP nightblades had become I assume /sarcasmoff

Does appear that way. Has anyone checked if dark stalker still works or did they break that one as well?

Tavore1138

Sorry I am not a vamp, Night's Silence is fubar... nit sure about Shadow Dancer but if that still works we'll know it is aimed at screwing stamina builds

Tendeep

@ZOS can we get someone to look into this please?

Asgari

This is why i decided to turn my v12 NB into a hireling alt... Thanks @ZOS for the great work.

"You ran to fast in stealth for 1 month so now as a penalty you cant run in stealth at or any faster than the other classes"

zso72

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

This is why i decided to turn my v12 NB into a hireling alt... Thanks @ZOS for the great work.

"You ran to fast in stealth for 1 month so now as a penalty you cant run in stealth at or any faster than the other classes"

It's the fact that OUT-OF-COMBAT-ONLY stacking was implemented (fixed) with 1.3....Here in 1.4 they outlaw it, heavily nerfing the entire sneak sphere. Bolt Escape- Broken since early access. It was nerfed for spamming it, can still be spammed (in combat) and for the last two major content patches, was the most broken PVP siege warfare tactic for ultimate generating. Two BEs later and you can spam any 250 ultimate or less skill....two clicks and it took two patches before devs were ready to pull that trigger. Sneaking out of combat- now that's pvp breaking.

Samadhi

Concealed Weapon still works for me on my non-vampire character.
I have not tested Concealed Weapon + Vampire.

Night's Silence does not work at all though.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

QA dept was too busy playing their DKs to test the features in the patch. >__>

GnatB

Shunravi wrote: »

ZOS has decided against the melee rogue buildtype, and they are actively trying to phase it out. It's not just NB and NB skills, it's anyone who wants to play the type.

Besides, surprise attack is the better morph anyways.

My understanding is that in PvE, most enemies have negligable effective armor. As such, it's unclear surprise attack is the better morph. Being able to approach faster means more chance of actually getting off the sneak attack before the mob turns around. (yes, I picked up concealed, and my 5 set on my sneak attack/buff bar is Night's Silence. Other bar Switches to Hunding's for non sneak/attack buffage. Yes. I have a stamina based melee rogue. Sue me.)

Samadhi

GnatB wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

ZOS has decided against the melee rogue buildtype, and they are actively trying to phase it out. It's not just NB and NB skills, it's anyone who wants to play the type.

Besides, surprise attack is the better morph anyways.

My understanding is that in PvE, most enemies have negligable effective armor. As such, it's unclear surprise attack is the better morph. ...

V10 Bear
Surprise Attack first hit: 494.
Surprise Attack second hit (with the armour debuff active): 513.

The armour decrease is pretty negligible in PvE.

Garetth

Just confirmed on my V8 NB that concealed weapons no longer gives the 25% bonus to stealth speed. I removed and replaced the skill, relogged, switched weps, reloadui, etc. etc. and nothing works. I'm not a Vamp and not wearing any speed armor, just full set of medium.

Seems every patch breaks more stuff than is added and the broken sh*t just keeps adding up and never gets fixed. What a clusterf*#k this game as gotten to be.

GrimMauKin

V5 Nightblade (non-vampire) here and Concealed weapon doesn't give me my 25% stealth movement bonus either, although other aspects seems to work.

ThisOnePosts

Concealed weapon is a waste of time, change the morph to Surprise Attack and wreck havoc on Tanks in Cyrodiil.

Kartalin

Samadhi wrote: »

V10 Bear
Surprise Attack first hit: 494.

The initial damage dealt by Concealed weapon is the same as Surprise Attack. But if you setup your gear right, you can do way more damage with that first surprise hit.

With 5 Hunding's Rage/4 Torug's Pact, full medium armor with all passives, spell damage jewelry in all three slots, Shadow mundus stone, and 4 impenetrable/3 divines trait on my armor, my first attack can do around 1900 - 2000 damage with Concealed Weapon. Spell damage and weapon damage are soft capped (especially with the change to Agility now) and I have 15 points in Magicka (Balanced build with slightly more in Health than the other two). Level 50 in both medium armor and dual wield, Concealed weapon maxed out as well.

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I've been running light armor and destro/bow lately, learning some new things, so I haven't had a chance to see if the 25% bonus is being applied or not. I do really hope they bring it back though since that is ultimately why I chose Concealed weapon over Surprise attack.

CapuchinSeven

I'm confused, why do you think Hunding's Rage, Torug's Pact or full medium is helping you with Concealed weapon/Surprise Attack?

Kartalin

Torug's Pact does give you a spell damage boost, but otherwise I was just giving a full description of my build. Sorry for any confusion.

Samadhi

milthalas wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

V10 Bear
Surprise Attack first hit: 494.

The initial damage dealt by Concealed weapon is the same as Surprise Attack. But if you setup your gear right, you can do way more damage with that first surprise hit.

With 5 Hunding's Rage/4 Torug's Pact, full medium armor with all passives, spell damage jewelry in all three slots, Shadow mundus stone, and 4 impenetrable/3 divines trait on my armor, my first attack can do around 1900 - 2000 damage with Concealed Weapon. Spell damage and weapon damage are soft capped (especially with the change to Agility now) and I have 15 points in Magicka (Balanced build with slightly more in Health than the other two). Level 50 in both medium armor and dual wield, Concealed weapon maxed out as well.
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I wasn't performing the attack as a Sneak attack. On a Sneak attack on the bear I land 2.5k.

I was comparing Surprise Attack's damage before and after the Armour reduction takes effect (which is why the second hit was 19 damage more than the first). I did so to demonstrate how little of a difference the Armour reduction makes in PvE.

Tendeep

Garetth wrote: »

Just confirmed on my V8 NB that concealed weapons no longer gives the 25% bonus to stealth speed. I removed and replaced the skill, relogged, switched weps, reloadui, etc. etc. and nothing works. I'm not a Vamp and not wearing any speed armor, just full set of medium.

Seems every patch breaks more stuff than is added and the broken sh*t just keeps adding up and never gets fixed. What a clusterf*#k this game as gotten to be.

Same here, I am a WW, not a vamp, doing exactly what you did above, I still do not get the 25% increase to speed while stealth. Also, can we please get this topic back on track.

The issue is Concealed Weapons not working after update 4 - not to argue over what you prefer to use.


Thanks

CapuchinSeven

milthalas wrote: »

Torug's Pact does give you a spell damage boost, but otherwise I was just giving a full description of my build. Sorry for any confusion.

No worries, I see.