Extraction is broken

GunemCleric

So I have one character who is 50 smith/wood/cloth and who i make things with and another character who I *break* things with. But I no longer get stuff back for, for example, a void steel weapon because my points are in hireling and extraction and, my guess, not in metalworking.... Is this correct?

Have one for breaking things down saves me 9 skill points on my main. My main has 8 traits in heavy armor, wood, at least 7 for all light and med, and at least 5 for weapons....there is no reason for me to have another character who creates stuff.

Tell me this is another bug rather than just a bad design.

GunemCleric

btw, i think some quick comment and confirmation would save a little anger. I know of others who save their blue/purp high-level stuff and break down with alts for similar reason and they may not notice until too late. I only wasted a few pieces

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GunemCleric

to be clear i am getting "You lack the skill to recover all materials from this item" and while (after a few attempts) is seem to get an occasional, for example iron thread, mat back, i do not get anything like I use to get.

Slurg

I've broken down a lot of stuff and I don't recall seeing a message like that before. I may have to try this with a low level alt later. That doesn't sound good though did you /bug report it?

purple-magicb16_ESO

If you're getting the message you say you are, then I don't think its a bug. Pretty sure its intended and that your alt lacks the required skill to recover some ingredients from higher level items.

Tavore1138

Yes add it to the list of things that got broken that a dev could have checked in less than 30 seconds.

AlnilamE

I've often had lower level crafters not get anything back from deconstructing high level stuff. I didn't get that message,though. I figured it was a good trade-off for the higher IP.

NgeneR

I like breaking down greens and blues particularly for the components, but now I'm not getting the components. And I'm getting that same message on my maxed crafters who have all the points in the craft. This is not good.

On top of that, I noticed earlier today that in breaking down white splendid glyphs, I got no runes at all, and that was on my enchanter, who is at 49 enchanting.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Just spend the points with your main on the craft, there is a redicious about of points out there to get, You can have everything and still alot of points left

Nestor

NgeneR wrote: »

On top of that, I noticed earlier today that in breaking down white splendid glyphs, I got no runes at all, and that was on my enchanter, who is at 49 enchanting.

Did you put the points back into the Extraction skill for Enchanting? Those were taken out in this patch and refunded to you.

To the OP, if you don't have the Material skills for the items you are deconstructing, then you can't extract the materials. It has always been this way. No matter what your Extraction skill is.

Merlin13KAGL

To be clear, you still get IP's, just no mats, correct?

I could see you still getting inspiration from a higher level item.

I can even see you not getting mats from a higher level item.

If they insist on doing it this way, the better way to go would be to disallow you to break the item down with the current skillpoints.

At least then, the item would not get lost.

Halke

The success of breakdown is tied to character level, not crafter level. This means the basic mats (say voidstone) are returned based on the level of the character. A level 40 crafter like mine will hardly ever get voidstone, even though she has maxed crafting and spent all her points there. It is a stupid system to put it nicely. Just because my main can hit things doesn't mean that character is better at smithing, she wouldn't know what an anvil looked like if it hit her in the face. Luckily this should only apply to the basic mats, so refinement materials and trait stones should still be coming to you.

Evandus

Halke wrote: »

The success of breakdown is tied to character level, not crafter level. This means the basic mats (say voidstone) are returned based on the level of the character. A level 40 crafter like mine will hardly ever get voidstone, even though she has maxed crafting and spent all her points there. It is a stupid system to put it nicely. Just because my main can hit things doesn't mean that character is better at smithing, she wouldn't know what an anvil looked like if it hit her in the face. Luckily this should only apply to the basic mats, so refinement materials and trait stones should still be coming to you.

Yep.

My crafter is level 47. Although he's maxxed out with all passives I am getting the "You lack the skill to recover all materials from this item" message when deconstructing blue and purple items he gets from my main, who is currently v7.

Nestor

My L48 Crafter could break down and acquire all the materials from VR1 and VR2 weapons and armor, so if it is tied to level, then there is a range. However, until she unlocked the Material Passive for the VR1-3 stuff, she was not getting the materials. I could also do this when I had a Blacksmither in the 20's, crafting was in the 30's, but he would not get the materials until I unlocked the Material Passive on that. Now, my L3 Mule, just gets the experience from the Decon, no materials. But, he only has skill points in Hirelings.

Halke

Nestor wrote: »

My L48 Crafter could break down and acquire all the materials from VR1 and VR2 weapons and armor, so if it is tied to level, then there is a range. However, until she unlocked the Material Passive for the VR1-3 stuff, she was not getting the materials. I could also do this when I had a Blacksmither in the 20's, crafting was in the 30's, but he would not get the materials until I unlocked the Material Passive on that. Now, my L3 Mule, just gets the experience from the Decon, no materials. But, he only has skill points in Hirelings.

The passive improves chances, yes. But improving on a very slim chance leaves you with a very slim chance. If you are in the same tier of the item you have the best odds of getting basic mats back. The odds go down with each tier you are lower than the item.

Evandus

If I need to level my crafter up to V1 to straighten out the problem so be it. However, when I get to V1 if I am still getting that message while deconstructing V2-v14 items I'll be quite perturbed. One shouldn't have to have a crafter at VR14. Particularly when all levels and passives available to said craft are in place.

Sounds like this was done perhaps to combat the number of level 3 crafting mules out there. Maybe... Idk. Either way it's silly to me.

Gigglesnort

GunemCleric wrote: »

to be clear i am getting "You lack the skill to recover all materials from this item" and while (after a few attempts) is seem to get an occasional, for example iron thread, mat back, i do not get anything like I use to get.

I am getting this on my lvl 50 Blacksmith as well.

GunemCleric

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Just spend the points with your main on the craft, there is a redicious about of points out there to get, You can have everything and still alot of points left

I have 265+ point in my main, but the guild,world,alliance war, weapons, and skill lines eat a lot of points. I have lvl 50 in all crafts, but I am leveling alts and comain to take enchanting, provisions, and alchemy. those 9 points really meant I could use a bow when enemy is too scared to fight. It takes I think around 120 points to have all in all crafts.

between the 2 new points added via shards in upper crag and vet dungeons I have maybe 12 points left to get then it is all alliance war ranks for more on my main.

btw, ZOS acknowledged that this was intended. I mean you can be a master of blacksmithing, but if you are not rank 12 you can forget about the mats unless they are at level.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1276499#Comment_1276499

So i will need to move everything to another vet char rather than the lvl 30 i was using to break things down.

AlnilamE

I've only broken things down for leveling crafting and then later for getting improvers. I never cared much whether I got the ingots and such back, as they can easily be harvested.

Since both my main and my alt who do crafting at at high levels (VR 5 and 45 respectively), it's not really an issue now. But when my main was at a low crafting level, I hardly ever got ingots back when my friend would send me vet level stuff.

JessieColt

AlnilamE wrote: »

I've often had lower level crafters not get anything back from deconstructing high level stuff. I didn't get that message,though. I figured it was a good trade-off for the higher IP.

So the change is that now you get a message telling you why you are not recovering any resources.

This isn't a broken game mechanic, it is a change to include a message telling you why you didn't recover anything.

Halke

JessieColt wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I've often had lower level crafters not get anything back from deconstructing high level stuff. I didn't get that message,though. I figured it was a good trade-off for the higher IP.

So the change is that now you get a message telling you why you are not recovering any resources.

This isn't a broken game mechanic, it is a change to include a message telling you why you didn't recover anything.

Exactly, and now they are finally listening to our feedback and having the recovery of base mats be based on crafter level as well as character level. Keep in mind for the meantime guys, this only effects base mats, you can still decon for everything else that you want. (In fact since decon hasn't changed at all, just keep doing what you have been!)

JessieColt

A Dev as replied to this in another thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1276499/#Comment_1276499

"Hey there, everyone. We wanted to provide some clarity on the deconstructing issue described in this thread. Previously, if your character’s level was not as high as the item you were deconstructing, you would receive an increasing penalty, which would potentially reduce the amount of material you’d get from deconstructing the item – this would depend on how far below your character level was compared to the item itself. However, there was no clear indication that this was the case."

Srugzal

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

If you're getting the message you say you are, then I don't think its a bug. Pretty sure its intended and that your alt lacks the required skill to recover some ingredients from higher level items.

You missed the part where the OP said that it worked before. Also the other thread in which this has been hashed out quite thoroughly:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/132217/decon-now-scales-to-character-level-not-crafting-level#latest

Not everyone has a lower level crafter with high level skills, but most of them are reporting this as a change that came with the update. I for one remember this message used to be associated with the material tier passive, and not the character level at all.

ZOS_UlyssesW

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