Nightblade bug fixes in 1.4.3

Samadhi

Nightblade

Shadow
Dark Cloak: This ability no longer stuns crowd-control immune bosses when you are alone.
Shadow Cloak: This ability is no longer removed by the following ticking damage abilities.
Agony
Bat Swarm
Caltrops
Cripple
Entropy
Fire Rune
Necrotic Orb
Path of Darkness
South Tether
Trap Beast
Volley
Wall of Elements
All elemental procs

Siphoning
Strife: This ability now always heals based on the initial damage caused instead of other attacks.

I am excited to get into game and play around with the fixed DoTs.

I am glad my heal will be more reliable in general combat.

I do not even really care about the new PvE content in this update; I am just glad to see these fixes.

I am going to qualify this as a pleasing update.

Now we just have to figure out where the rest of the issues with Cloak breaking are coming from, but with DoTs out of the way it will be a bit more easy to test and narrow down.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

So I'm glad they fixed this, but I'm confused about dark cloak, I thought they were fixing it so that it actually cleared dots consistently, instead they effectively nerfed it through a bug fix, but couldn't be shitted to fix the bugs that mattered. They do this a lot, especially with weak skills, and skill lines, such as werewolf. I don't quite understand where their brains are on these, it just leads to resentment and bad blood all around.

I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

ThatHappyCat

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

So I'm glad they fixed this, but I'm confused about dark cloak, I thought they were fixing it so that it actually cleared dots consistently, instead they effectively nerfed it through a bug fix, but couldn't be shitted to fix the bugs that mattered. They do this a lot, especially with weak skills, and skill lines, such as werewolf. I don't quite understand where their brains are on these, it just leads to resentment and bad blood all around.

I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I believe the fix is that Dark Cloak is no longer broken by the Nightblade using the listed abilities. Other people breaking you out of cloak by damaging you is intended.

HairyFairy

^^The person above me is a special one.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

So I'm glad they fixed this, but I'm confused about dark cloak, I thought they were fixing it so that it actually cleared dots consistently, instead they effectively nerfed it through a bug fix, but couldn't be shitted to fix the bugs that mattered. They do this a lot, especially with weak skills, and skill lines, such as werewolf. I don't quite understand where their brains are on these, it just leads to resentment and bad blood all around.

I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I believe the fix is that Dark Cloak is no longer broken by the Nightblade using the listed abilities. Other people breaking you out of cloak by damaging you is intended.

I'm talking about dark cloak clearing dots, which is why it exists.

But yes part of my point was that I am pretty sure they see it as a feature and not a bug.

Personally, if my invis gets knocked off by every single thing under the sun, I expect it to last a respectable amount of time. The ability is just insulting as it currently stands.

Redlag

HairyFairy wrote: »

^^The person above me is a special one.

I concur.

Samadhi

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

that is irrelevant to my comment about invis pots in every single way...

You don't break out of the invis nearly as often if you get cc'd, ae'd, dot'd, etc, etc.

Samadhi

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

that is irrelevant to my comment about invis pots in every single way...

You don't break out of the invis nearly as often if you get cc'd, ae'd, dot'd, etc, etc.

I fully acknowledge that they do not break via damage as easily as Cloak does.
I simply stated that I, personally, would not rely on a 30 second cooldown potion that is broken by Magelight to help me escape where Cloak does not.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

that is irrelevant to my comment about invis pots in every single way...

You don't break out of the invis nearly as often if you get cc'd, ae'd, dot'd, etc, etc.

I fully acknowledge that they do not break via damage as easily as Cloak does.
I simply stated that I, personally, would not rely on a 30 second cooldown potion that is broken by Magelight to help me escape where Cloak does not.

the point is, the class skill that I put two skillpoints in, sucks compared to a player crafted potion that anyone can use.

That is the actual issue.

Samadhi

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

that is irrelevant to my comment about invis pots in every single way...

You don't break out of the invis nearly as often if you get cc'd, ae'd, dot'd, etc, etc.

I fully acknowledge that they do not break via damage as easily as Cloak does.
I simply stated that I, personally, would not rely on a 30 second cooldown potion that is broken by Magelight to help me escape where Cloak does not.

the point is, the class skill that I put two skillpoints in, sucks compared to a player crafted potion that anyone can use.

That is the actual issue.

I significantly prefer Cloak compared to Invisibility potions personally.

30 second cooldown on 3 seconds of Invisibility is quite mediocre. I more value the 10 second Speed buff potions give and popping Cloak multiple times.

You are free to disagree, and I respect your opinion as such.

Greatfellow

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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I suspect the fact that cloak breaks when someone even breaths in your direction is working as intended as far as they are concerned, so keep those invis pots equipped and don't expect them to actually fix it.

I ran formal tests with my girlfriend yesterday morning examining Invisibility potions
The result were as follows:

- My girlfriend logged her Templar and went to Cyrodiil with Magelight running.
- I logged an alt on an enemy team and met her there.
- We were both in Sneak and entered range of each other
- While in range of the Magelight effect, I used an Invisibility potion.
- The effect of the Invisibility potion broke instantly

I waited on potion cooldowns and retested another 3-4 times. Every time I used one it immediately broke.

I will try and get it tested again this week once I can get on and play around with 1.4.3 on Live.

Invisibility potions are slightly better than Cloak, but I would certainly not rely on them at present.

that is irrelevant to my comment about invis pots in every single way...

You don't break out of the invis nearly as often if you get cc'd, ae'd, dot'd, etc, etc.

I fully acknowledge that they do not break via damage as easily as Cloak does.
I simply stated that I, personally, would not rely on a 30 second cooldown potion that is broken by Magelight to help me escape where Cloak does not.

the point is, the class skill that I put two skillpoints in, sucks compared to a player crafted potion that anyone can use.

That is the actual issue.

Well, as an NB I can say that the 30 second cooldown on Invis Potions makes them a non-starter compared to my Shadow Cloak, whether the Ability has flaws or not.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Right but you could use invis pots and keep cloak on your bar, and have a superior invis every 30 seconds. Which still leads us to my point, why is a potion better than a class ability, especially when it is the cornerstone of the class.

Cloak is so ridiculously unreliable that I only ever use it when I am ganking.

Aeratus

The cloak is way better than the potion. Potions require a cooldown, which is a huge limitation. I wouldn't even think of using potions to substitute for cloak.

Cloak can be re-cast repeatedly, whereas potions is one time use.

Cloak has additional features when morphed.

ThatHappyCat

Unless I'm woefully mistaken, using invisibility potions also locks you out of restoration or any other type of potion.

(Separate potion timers for separate groups of effects please)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Aeratus wrote: »

The cloak is way better than the potion. Potions require a cooldown, which is a huge limitation. I wouldn't even think of using potions to substitute for cloak.

Cloak can be re-cast repeatedly, whereas potions is one time use.

Cloak has additional features when morphed.

and it sucks down your magicka with every use, and it is not reliable or actually effective since you get pushed out of it by every stray wind, and dark cloak doesn't actually clear dots most of the time, etc, etc, etc.

I can spam dark cloak all I want, but my dots probably won't be cleared, (I just run purge now, especially since it also clears things like mark target,) and I will probably be invis for all of .25 seconds.

An invis that actually works every 30 seconds versus an invis that works never, which should I pick?

Aeratus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

The cloak is way better than the potion. Potions require a cooldown, which is a huge limitation. I wouldn't even think of using potions to substitute for cloak.

Cloak can be re-cast repeatedly, whereas potions is one time use.

Cloak has additional features when morphed.

and it sucks down your magicka with every use, and it is not reliable or actually effective since you get pushed out of it by every stray wind, and dark cloak doesn't actually clear dots most of the time, etc, etc, etc.

I can spam dark cloak all I want, but my dots probably won't be cleared, (I just run purge now, especially since it also clears things like mark target,) and I will probably be invis for all of .25 seconds.

An invis that actually works every 30 seconds versus an invis that works never, which should I pick?

You can pick whatever you want, of course.

I pick cloak (shadowy disguise). I don't use the cloak to get rid of DOTs. I use Efficient Purge to do that.

Shadowy disguise gives me a huge crit bonus for ganking. Invisibility potions can't do that.

Also, escaping is overrated. It's more convenient to be dead than alive in this game.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Aeratus wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

The cloak is way better than the potion. Potions require a cooldown, which is a huge limitation. I wouldn't even think of using potions to substitute for cloak.

Cloak can be re-cast repeatedly, whereas potions is one time use.

Cloak has additional features when morphed.

and it sucks down your magicka with every use, and it is not reliable or actually effective since you get pushed out of it by every stray wind, and dark cloak doesn't actually clear dots most of the time, etc, etc, etc.

I can spam dark cloak all I want, but my dots probably won't be cleared, (I just run purge now, especially since it also clears things like mark target,) and I will probably be invis for all of .25 seconds.

An invis that actually works every 30 seconds versus an invis that works never, which should I pick?

You can pick whatever you want, of course.

I pick cloak (shadowy disguise). I don't use the cloak to get rid of DOTs. I use Efficient Purge to do that.

Shadowy disguise gives me a huge crit bonus for ganking. Invisibility potions can't do that.

Also, escaping is overrated. It's more convenient to be dead than alive in this game.

Yea I have the other morph of purge, I need to change that. Maybe I'll respec to shadowy disguise when I do, since purge removes all negative effects, and not just dots.

But if I want a crit for ganking, I am just as effective engaging from stealth. If the other person is not afk, they are going to be doing stuff the rest of the time that is going to pop me out of cloak before I can get an attack off, especially with the odd delay you get between casts with cloak/disguise.

As for escaping, it's just more rewarding to get away afterwards, regardless of the obnoxious run you have to make back to the keep.