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fix [snip] talons...
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Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
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Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 15, 2014 12:52PM Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
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✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
I've had no issues rolling out of enemy talons, ever as far as them not breaking. As far as getting re-rooted, they are casting a second root and you are dodging in a bad direction that they kept you in-range of. Dodge roll goes further than a talons cast does so unless they're moving to chase you, they cannot simply stand and re-root you through a full dodge
.Sometime I get root by talons even when I use Mist Form.
You're supposed to. Mist form is immunity to stuns, not roots/snares, per the tooltip.
Edited by Attorneyatlawl on September 15, 2014 11:56AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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Siluen✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
The tooltip actually states "invulnerability to all healing magic and control effects". This is a bit of a vague description, but talons are a control effect by normal definition, right?
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butterfly442✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
The tooltip actually states "invulnerability to all healing magic and control effects". This is a bit of a vague description, but talons are a control effect by normal definition, right?
Right.
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✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
The tooltip actually states "invulnerability to all healing magic and control effects". This is a bit of a vague description, but talons are a control effect by normal definition, right?
Soft cc isn't considered that, same with immovable and break free
. It does not cause a loss of control of your character but just a movement debuff. The Tooltip refers to hard cc like stun, mez, and silence . Edited by Attorneyatlawl on September 15, 2014 12:19PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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NerfEverything✭✭✭✭✭Not only does DK get to use the unbreakable CC, they got a major buff to reflective scales this patch. DKs will once again be unkillable in PvP. Zen refuses to fix the root/knockdown unbreakable CC bug. Scales was already ridiculously OP. They have made it clear they want DKs to be the strongest PvP class from day 1.10
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NerfEverything wrote: »Not only does DK get to use the unbreakable CC, they got a major buff to reflective scales this patch. DKs will once again be unkillable in PvP. Zen refuses to fix the root/knockdown unbreakable CC bug. Scales was already ridiculously OP. They have made it clear they want DKs to be the strongest PvP class from day 1.
A DK with a magicka build perhaps, but i would think Zen would intend a DK to spend stamina more so then magicka. Now all the OP DKs are wearing bathrobes with pimp sticks. As a DK i refuse to go this route, it goes against what I believe to be more of a "tank" class and not as much of a "spank" class. Crowd control sure, but cc that doesn't deal large amounts of damage (my talons do about 200 damage and cost 420 magicka.)Edited by dgoss11b14_ESO on September 15, 2014 4:43PM4 -
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✭✭NerfEverything wrote: »they got a major buff to reflective scales this patch
ehm, you noticed that scales have been bugged for a long long time now? this just fixes a bug.6 -
JLB✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »
ehm, you noticed that scales have been bugged for a long long time now? this just fixes a bug.NerfEverything wrote: »they got a major buff to reflective scales this patch
Sorry, but from all the skills that needed fixes in ESO, Scales was by far the one that deserved it the least.
The complains about this particular skill being too good are endless, even from other DKs, and for a reason.
Maybe some DKs are too used to be always over the top (wonder why), but this ends up being very unfair if you don't play a DK.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »
ehm, you noticed that scales have been bugged for a long long time now? this just fixes a bug.NerfEverything wrote: »they got a major buff to reflective scales this patch
Sorry, but from all the skills that needed fixes in ESO, Scales was by far the one that deserved it the least.
The complains about this particular skill being too good are endless, even from other DKs, and for a reason.
Maybe some DKs are too used to be always over the top (wonder why), but this ends up being very unfair if you don't play a DK.
What do Devs do? Make it even stronger.
Zos loves dks.
I had sufficient stamina to roll clear several times from talons and the same guy just kept using an unbreakable talons.
Funny that they buff reflective scales. Their focus on dks astounds me. They take solo long to fix NBS templars and as soon as one dk skill is not optimal they make a fix in a few weeks. Its a joke.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
I've had no issues rolling out of enemy talons, ever as far as them not breaking. As far as getting re-rooted, they are casting a second root and you are dodging in a bad direction that they kept you in-range of. Dodge roll goes further than a talons cast does so unless they're moving to chase you, they cannot simply stand and re-root you through a full dodge.Sometime I get root by talons even when I use Mist Form.
You're supposed to. Mist form is immunity to stuns, not roots/snares, per the tooltip.
I can't roll at all with enough stamina. If I were at least moving then I could try it
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✭sometimes it doesn't even break when I rolldodge. Is that supposed to happen?
Quick, efficient fix would be to make it a hard cc.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.4 -
JLB✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Quick, efficient fix would be to make it a hard cc.
Yep. There have been many good suggestions about this, like making Stun Immunity from Break Free & Immovable affect hard & soft CC, grant Stun Immunity after a full hard CC effect, and increase Stun Immunity for 10 seconds.
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jelliedsoup wrote: »Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
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I have no problems rolling out of talons... you're probably stunned or out of stamina and too ignorant to realize that's why...2 -
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✭trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
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I have no problems rolling out of talons... you're probably stunned or out of stamina and too ignorant to realize that's why...
I have rolled out of talons multiple times with them not actually being removed. YMMV but the bug is there so your point is irrelevant.
I know I was dodgerolling because...my character graphically dodgerolled when I pushed the button. Talons stayed on me tho.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
FreedomDude✭✭✭Talons are the buggiest piece of crap I have ever used, but great when they work...
Nothing is more annoying than activating Talons to see it does nothing yet eats up your magika anyway...0 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭trustcotraptb14_ESO wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Since day 1 there have been issues rolling out of talons. Wonder if zos is taking a slow (stamina build) approach to fixing them.
Wouldn't want to offend the dk community and actually allow people to roll out of them.
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I have no problems rolling out of talons... you're probably stunned or out of stamina and too ignorant to realize that's why...
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Talons doesn't do anything if you are not within the right distance --- however you can still "activate it" and spend Magicka. So, L2P and you won't waste Magicka on talons. My DK never has this issue with them not landing. Now my Sorc pets not attacking or NB cloak malfunctioning, those actually break at times but I have yet to test thoroughly if the NB is truly fixed or not.
IMO, DKs are definitely a powerhouse class... however they are not the best at everything when going just by class. Sorcs can cast from a nice distance, NBs can sneak their way through and make one heck of an opening attack.. Templars and their shield and heals is still right up there with DKs survivability but does at least have some range attack.
DKs lack exactly that, range. Sure you can use an Ulti and dragon leap in or pull someone to you if you'd like to keep that on your bar and waste a slot (imo anyway). Yes, yes, there are gap closers.... but DKs definitely lack in range. Talons is something that's not OP but it works VERY VERY WELL in order to semi-control a crowd while doing a bit of damage. Keep in mind a DK pretty much has to charge into battle swinging up close.
What I recommend to people who dislike their class or truly feel others are just much better: TRY IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. Get to at least veteran and see if you still feel that way. I honestly have been working on getting all 4 classes to max level and it's been an eye-opener in a way (no, not the recipe XD). There are pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses to each of them.Edited by ThisOnePosts on September 16, 2014 12:10AM3 -
FreedomDude wrote: »Talons are the buggiest piece of crap I have ever used, but great when they work...
Nothing is more annoying than activating Talons to see it does nothing yet eats up your magika anyway...
As well as Petrify...0
