Werewolf transformation

ArconSeptim

The thing is clear, werewolf transformation can not be ultimate based in any matter, so let us hear your thoughts how to make werewolfs balanced with vampires.You know that while you werewolf you can't use werewolf spells in human form, while vampires can use their spells anytime it's really annoying.So what you think of these few suggestions and if you want to add your suggestions feel free to comment!
If you have suggestion comment.

Drazhar14

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

Also, the ability to launch a ball of light into the air to create an artificial moon, allowing you to transform at will.

ArconSeptim

Make it possible only in night time and give extreme powers to Werewolfs during night time duration!

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

Also, the ability to launch a ball of light into the air to create an artificial moon, allowing you to transform at will.

Wrong I did not mention full moons man, night!! Night is night

Drazhar14

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

Also, the ability to launch a ball of light into the air to create an artificial moon, allowing you to transform at will.

Wrong I did not mention full moons man, night!! Night is night

I know you did not mention full moons, which is why I picked "Nothing of those I add my suggestion" and added my own suggestion...

ArconSeptim

Make it possible only in night time and give extreme powers to Werewolfs during night time duration!

Drazhar14 wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

Also, the ability to launch a ball of light into the air to create an artificial moon, allowing you to transform at will.

Wrong I did not mention full moons man, night!! Night is night

I know you did not mention full moons, which is why I picked "Nothing of those I add my suggestion" and added my own suggestion...

It's pretty bad suggestion lmao there is already opinion for toggle off or on if you want that why don't use that one?

WraithAzraiel

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

ArconSeptim wrote: »

The thing is clear, werewolf transformation can not be ultimate based in any matter, so let us hear your thoughts how to make werewolfs balanced with vampires.You know that while you werewolf you can't use werewolf spells in human form, while vampires can use their spells anytime it's really annoying.So what you think of these few suggestions and if you want to add your suggestions feel free to comment!
If you have suggestion comment.

Some things just don't make any sense to try to make them fair. OF COURSE a werewolf can't used werewolf abilities while not in WEREWOLF form. Short of what? Being resilient? Being faster than the average humanoid? Being able to jump a great distance?

OF COURSE Vampire gets it's abilities at all times, because it's not something you can turn off. You become a Vampire, you don't just occasionally turn into one like you do with a Werewolf.

Trying to balance that in any way other than making the Werewolf transformation more worthwhile, would make it ridiculous.

Drazhar14

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

Also, the ability to launch a ball of light into the air to create an artificial moon, allowing you to transform at will.

Wrong I did not mention full moons man, night!! Night is night

I know you did not mention full moons, which is why I picked "Nothing of those I add my suggestion" and added my own suggestion...

It's pretty bad suggestion lmao there is already opinion for toggle off or on if you want that why don't use that one?

Ugh no one can detect sarcasm anymore... Yes, I agree with toggle. But I made a suggestion I thought would be entertaining to read. I was bringing in the full moon lore, but still want it to be toggle, so I made that Dragon Ball Z create your own moon reference...

KenjiJU

I like using the 'bite corpse' as a toggle above all those other suggestions, but that's still a problem since it doesn't let you use it in single boss fights. (unless werewolf lasted forever until you cancelled it)

I think giving us some nice passives active as long as WW was slotted..

Aett_Thorn

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

I don't know why it can't be ultimate based, and I think that it's fine that way. The current cost is too high, but they are fixing that. There needs to be more powers for a Werewolf to use while in wolf form, for sure, and they are fixing that.

As for passives, I think that they just need to give about half of their bonus when they are not in wolf form. They have gained the blessing of Hercene, why shouldn't they be a bit tougher and more resilient in regular form as well?

Drazhar14

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

I don't know why it can't be ultimate based, and I think that it's fine that way. The current cost is too high, but they are fixing that. There needs to be more powers for a Werewolf to use while in wolf form, for sure, and they are fixing that.

As for passives, I think that they just need to give about half of their bonus when they are not in wolf form. They have gained the blessing of Hercene, why shouldn't they be a bit tougher and more resilient in regular form as well?

From a gameplay perspective, this is actually fair. Plus, they have the weakness to poison and fighters guild while human, so the passives should carry over to counter that out like you said.

WraithAzraiel

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

Pretty much all of the suggestions you made, ArconSeptim, would make Werewolf RIDICULOUSLY overpowered and as much as I hate to use this word, unrealistic. It's unnecessary.

What they should do is KEEP the transform as an Ultimate. Here's how I believe it should work:

Having the Werewolf form slotted as your Ultimate, your kills gain X amount of Ultimate, filling the box to 100%. Once you reach 100% Ultimate, the Ultimate fires off and you transform into a werewolf, whether you want to or not.

Now before all you moaners start moaning, "Booo I want to transform when I want to transform blubber blubber blubber crai crai crai" There's a solution.

In the upper levels of the Werewolf skill line, there will be a passive that allows you to control your rage and release it at will, thus making the Werewolf transform at-will, as it is now.

Scale the attack damage of your Light/Heavy attack off your weapon damage, add a few more attacks, like a Heavy Swipe that knocks down, a Feral Bite that heals per amount of damage done, etc etc

Make Devour actually worthwhile, by having it pause your transformation timer while you're actually devouring the corpse so that it works as it should.

Make some of the passives apply in humanoid form at half strength.

So on and so forth.

If they do that, all the Werewolves would be happy puppies, except for the few that whine about everything, but you find those everywhere.

Spottswoode

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

I'd vote for Werewolf transformation to burn ultimate. As long as you keep ultimate gains, you can stay transformed. Devour should also give health. (If it currently does, disregard this.)

k9mouse

Nothing of those I add my suggestion :D

By the phrases of the moons or use item like a ring.

SweetRollBandit

I just want it to be toggle off or on depending when I want to release my rage :D

Being able to turn it off and on whenever we want would be handy. Me and my friends are usually way beyond the level required before we even make it half ways through a new zone just by exploring and completing all the quests and dungeons so we hardly get any ultimate until we enter a new higher zone or we all travel to Cyrodill. Kill a few people then go back to PVE so we can use our werewolf ult but that's such a hassle for the short amount of time we get to transform

Audigy

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Only possible during full moons. And you have no control, you automatically turn. Like real werewolves.

I agree with this.