Another PVP scoring bug ?

incognito222

Low score bonus applied to the faction with the highest points? Thornblade server NA.

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Braidas

hmmm ya i thought when a faction takes the lead tht bonus goes away...least it used to...maybe just takes a bit to update?

Agrippa_Invisus

There's no reason the first place factions should be receiving the low score bonus. Score sampling needs to be done more often.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Scoring underdog bonuses have a re-evaluation period of several days to allow underdog alliances to catch up/overtake positions in scoring. That said, the evaluation period can be reduced much like Haderus will be in the coming patch to a much shorter evaluation period.

Erock25

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Scoring underdog bonuses have a re-evaluation period of several days to allow underdog alliances to catch up/overtake positions in scoring. That said, the evaluation period can be reduced much like Haderus will be in the coming patch to a much shorter evaluation period.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌

Underdog bonuses should be re-evaluated every hour IMO. Even 12 hours is way too long of a time frame.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Several days? We (EP) need to milk these points!

demonlkojipub19_ESO

As EP, several Days is too long. I thot it was 12hrs at first but several days.... The intervals don't need to be that long. It shouldn't take that long to determine that an alliance is no longer significantly behind the other in points or population. Determinations could and should be every hour when scoring is updated.

bitaken

They turned it off manually today is my guess. Not even DC is getting low Pop - we struggle to get two bars until heat of prime time - and there is no low score bonus for us either - and we are almost 10K behind EP.

I'm not that interested in who wins or loses this campaign - I'm here for the fun and loads of targets - but it says a lot when they can't make that subsystem work correctly and have to manually over ride the thing. The server is so laggy now too it's sort of unreal. We took chal to get EP out of Ales - and opened up BRK in the process to an AD assault - and all of EP came to chalman - it was totally unplayable lag.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Well, DC have their low pop bonus back, and with it the large multiplier on point tics.

And then their population increases....

Tintinabula

a few days is outlandish,laughable ,ridiculous ,disturbing, shortsighted.

bitaken

So EP getting low score bonus even while leading the campaign score was OK!!! But, DC getting the low pop when they are ALWAYS the lowest pop on Thorn is BAD!!! ...gotcha

KellanKell

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Well, DC have their low pop bonus back, and with it the large multiplier on point tics.

And then their population increases....

How dare the lowest pop faction on the server get the low pop bonus!

KellanKell

I'm surprised all of you in queues on the two factions that are pop locked haven't responded yet... meanwhile us two bar faction with the pop bonus can keep playing with the buff? It's just not fair!

Ackwalan

There shouldn't be a lowest score bonus, there is no need to award a trophy to a team for coming in third in a three man race.

Tintinabula

Im EP...that buff is stupid if it isn't re evaluated every hour. I cant imagine any sane dev allowing it to be anything else.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

yea well I call manipulation. Its not very surprising that once the bonus hits, the population jumps back up to a level that wouldn't get the bonus.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Scoring underdog bonuses have a re-evaluation period of several days to allow underdog alliances to catch up/overtake positions in scoring. That said, the evaluation period can be reduced much like Haderus will be in the coming patch to a much shorter evaluation period.

Reduce evaluation periods to every 2 hours, like haderous.

Harnesh

Well I was all ready to just jump in here and say it should be every 1-2 hours for all servers but after thinking about it not so sure.......If a faction is underpopulated and gets steamrolled at xyz time then at off hours the populations is dead across all factions everyone has just one bar the populations are "even" but the underdog realm doesn't have the population to make significant map changes then yea they should probably still be getting underdog bonus.

This is my required "trying to see it from the other persons perspective" thought for month.

bitaken

So funny, DC is absolutely the lowest pop at all times of day.

I know for a fact that EP has a 10-15 minute queue nightly to get into thorn.

I am guessing once locked AD is looking at a 3-5 minute queue to get into thorn.

Last night was the first night in a week DC has climbed to three bars.

We had 3 scrolls before the server pooped on itself - when we came back - the scrolls had all reset - and no one came to the forums whining about that.

But, EP can come here and whine all about the pop bonus.

Grow a pair - DC is bringing it to you with less population and we are loving it.

When I logged in this morning all we had was Warden. And Ni Mohk.

AD and EP had split up DC's keeps. We began the take back process and rapidly got Glade, Ales and Rayles because AD finally attacked BRK.

Yet, I am sure DC will be yoru focuses most of the day and night - and your excuse will be the under pop bonus.

So - bring it - we are having a blast on this server

Rifraff_ESO

Current situation:

All are at max population

DC are still receiving 400+ bonus points

My suggestion: faster population re-evaluations for bonus points

I have no problem with a lower pop earning better points since it's hard to defend against higher pops, but having 3x point when you're pop locked with other factions is a bit absurd.

Renuo

I'm DC but that is a total brain dead decision to not make the bonuses turn off when the faction is no longer underdogs and leave it on for days.

The idea is good however, and should limit the hordes of 'grass is greener' players that jump at first sign of loss.

bitaken

Rifraff_ESO wrote: »

Current situation:

All are at max population

DC are still receiving 400+ bonus points

My suggestion: faster population re-evaluations for bonus points

I have no problem with a lower pop earning better points since it's hard to defend against higher pops, but having 3x point when you're pop locked with other factions is a bit absurd.

So, we get ahead of AD, mostly due to the low pop bonus and being able to hold onto one scroll the other morning and push 3 keeps captured before server maintenance. Then, we get our other scroll back. Then some of the Chillrend people come to Thornblade because Chillrend is dead and mostly Blue as I understand it, I fully admit I could be wrong.

The entire previous week we never climbed above two bar pop and it took serious co-ordination for us to nab a single keep here or there against the two juggernaut locked pop factions.

I am only stating facts and now I am going to ask everyone a serious question.

When in your honest opinion should the low pop bonus go away?

Do we know if all the people who came from Chill are on Thorn for good? Were they visiting to dethrone AD emp and have some fun in a more competitive campaign? EP and AD are at two bars most of the day while DC sits at one bar and stolidly holds the line - if not pushes a few keeps during the daytime. Once primetime comes we were getting to two bar pop - this is the FIRST night we got to three bars in over a week.

What is realistically the effect of a few balancing measures and the reality that it is a competitive place to play - and what the die hard DC that have been on thorn have been able to do with lower population - as a CAUSE of more DC coming to play on thorn?

These are all valid concerns. IF AD and EP wanted to smash DC they could have this entire past week. But, I daresay we kept you on your toes and fought hard for what we had - and overtook AD with our score bonus. Now, people feel like DC has a fighting chance to fight for the campaign and are returning to it for the fun competitive nature of it. This is all good for the game.

Again, when SHOULD it go away?

Tintinabula

you tell me Bitaken ,cause at this point if Blue wins there's not a soul who will view it as a legitimate win.But you don't care...do ya?

FMonk

DC has literally gotten 10k+ free points from the "low population" and "low score" bonuses on Thornblade NA. EP has also gotten a few thousand free points, yet they continue to *** about DC's score. Fix the *** bonuses and revert the points to the totals they should be at, so you can reward the faction who actually stayed on the most populated server instead of running away to Chillrend like *** as soon as they showed signs of losing.

Sakyo

Who reallycares who wins cause the rewards arnt really worth it. If ep wins after night capping or running with 2 to 3 bars during the day woukd you view it as a win?

Tintinabula

Sakyo wrote: »

Who reallycares who wins cause the rewards arnt really worth it. If ep wins after night capping or running with 2 to 3 bars during the day woukd you view it as a win?

anybody who seriously views "night capping" as they like to call it, (sane people call it "playing the game when you're awake") needs to push away from the keyboard and consider therapy.

Sakyo

Except if they really wanted to pvp when they normally play they would try and go agaosnt ads crew but they dont. They come to an empty server and pvdoor.

Tintinabula

Then that's a problem with being able to hop over to an empty server (not "night capping")

Xsorus

lol....the irony of a team that wins by nightcapping everyone now complaining about another team getting a low population bonus, when they have low population.

bitaken

flyingmonkey3190ub17_ESO wrote: »

DC has literally gotten 10k+ free points from the "low population" and "low score" bonuses on Thornblade NA. EP has also gotten a few thousand free points, yet they continue to *** about DC's score. Fix the *** bonuses and revert the points to the totals they should be at, so you can reward the faction who actually stayed on the most populated server instead of running away to Chillrend like *** as soon as they showed signs of losing.

How about the 5K that EP got for Low Score bonus when they were in the lead?

Some DC came to Thorn when Chill became a blue dominated server to see if we could "turn the tide" on the "most populated server". Seems like we have done a decent job as the faction that was in the lead is now sitting on the bottom.

Tintinabula wrote: »

you tell me Bitaken ,cause at this point if Blue wins there's not a soul who will view it as a legitimate win.But you don't care...do ya?

If Blue wins it's as legitimate of a win as any EP win on Chillrend. More of a win than any EP win on Chill to be completely honest. At least the majority of keep swaps and scroll captures are taking place when the other factions have decent sized populations. The tears a few threads back when DC capped scrolls back with both opposing factions locked and DC at two bars (saying DC was "traveling to" players and beating the population counter) were just as hilarious as you saying "If DC wins it's not legit" in this one.

And FWIW - I believe a 24 hour population sample and update on low pop bonus would work. Sample the campaign population each hour for 24 hours. Take the 24 samples and average them out. If Any single faction is at a disadvantage (which has yet to be defined by ZOS so far what they consider a disadvantage) for participation in a campaign for the 24 hour sample they should get the low pop bonus. This bonus should be recalculated each 24 hour period. I believe that would be fair.

dcincali

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

lol....the irony of a team that wins by nightcapping everyone now complaining about another team getting a low population bonus, when they have low population.

Night capping = a team having numbers to win
Low pop bonus = abandoning a campaign to win

What is your point exactly??