Chillrend crash and rollback not a coincidence - Beyond time to do something, Zeni

Synozeer

Pixysticks wrote: »

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

We probably would have lost Ash and emperorship if not for that crash or some other form of divine intervention to be fair. It would have likely been an AD cap too from what I remember. Red was in there but was not in control of the courtyard.

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Nala_

pixy how did you get an oil on top of that tree by altadoon gate. how did you even get on top of that tree, lmao

Tripwyr

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

dcincali

I just find it strange the crashing troll backs that happened on Thorn are now happening on Chill when said blue zerg showed up... Coincidence? We think not.

Lfehova

Tripwyr wrote: »

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

Trip, this is a wild accusation and you know it. On the beginning of Thornblade, when DC was winning prior to team orange, we lost multiple EP and AD scrolls to rollbacks. I expect better of you than for you to join the tinfoil crew.

Also, the lag happens every single time a zergball charges ult. It happened last night when 100+ EP were charging ults outside of ash, it also happened a couple nights ago when me and 8 other No Mercy members attempted to defend aleswell against 90+ AD and 100+ EP and the two sides each took down a postern and stood outside the back flag room spamming heals. When the zergballs were there, we couldn't do anything but queue up skills and pray. If the EP and AD actually attacked each other, it would've crashed. Instead you guys chose to just stand on the flags with the overwhelming numbers, and since we couldn't pour oil, resulting in a force cap. It was fun. Laggy but fun.

But keep in mind, that if you guys had actually fought the EP Zerg, you would've crashed the server.

If EG had the ability to crash a server alone, and were doing so intentionally, why wouldn't they do it on Thornblade? Why wouldn't they just crash it everyday to get our scrolls back?

These accusations don't make sense because if it were true, they'd do it every night we lose a scroll to reset all the scrolls back.

Anyways, my two cents.

Tripwyr

Lfehova wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

If EG had the ability to crash a server alone, and were doing so intentionally, why wouldn't they do it on Thornblade? Why wouldn't they just crash it everyday to get our scrolls back?

These accusations don't make sense because if it were true, they'd do it every night we lose a scroll to reset all the scrolls back.

Anyways, my two cents.

This is actually exactly what they did. When they are out-classed, they crash the server. When they are not out-classed, they simply fight normally. Why would they crash the server when they know they can win?

Back on Thornblade, the server crashed and your scrolls reset when you were taking our last Emp keep. Whether that is a worthy sacrifice is not up to you, it is up to <them> who can't actually fight against Emps (I solo'd their zerg when I was Emp).

This is not wild accusations, we and others have witnessed <them> hiding in corners of keeps spamming Healing Springs until the server crashes. We also had a few blue come forward and tell us that <that blue group> was inside Ash spamming healing springs on the flag when we pushed through the outer before we even starting sieging the inner.

dcincali

Tripwyr wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

If EG had the ability to crash a server alone, and were doing so intentionally, why wouldn't they do it on Thornblade? Why wouldn't they just crash it everyday to get our scrolls back?

These accusations don't make sense because if it were true, they'd do it every night we lose a scroll to reset all the scrolls back.

Anyways, my two cents.

This is actually exactly what they did. When they are out-classed, they crash the server. When they are not out-classed, they would troll camp us.

I fixed if for you

Xsorus

lol..I will say this... without EG on thornblade...while we do get some lag from zerg balls still there...Its been actually pretty nice with the lack of massive lag.

Tripwyr

dcincali wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Lfehova wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

If EG had the ability to crash a server alone, and were doing so intentionally, why wouldn't they do it on Thornblade? Why wouldn't they just crash it everyday to get our scrolls back?

These accusations don't make sense because if it were true, they'd do it every night we lose a scroll to reset all the scrolls back.

Anyways, my two cents.

This is actually exactly what they did. When they are out-classed, they crash the server. When they are not out-classed, they would troll camp us.

I fixed if for you

I prefer to only accuse people of what I know, not speculate.

Lava_Croft

More accusations with zero proof.

Pathfinder

What I saw right before the crash was a 40 man zerg of AD spamming springs and impulse right in front of the closed inner keep door. No rhyme or reason to it as far as I could see.

Nala_

you have to be [snip] if you still haven't realized that EGL are purposefully crashing the server at this point. people have been posting about it on the forums SINCE WABBA 2.0.

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ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

Assuming all were Rolledback at about the same time, anyone who claims that DC had Ash under control at the time of the crash is either lying or mistaken. I personally had pushed through the breach and up onto the second floor, where my group leader and I were about to begin dumping oils onto the breach.

The three-way fight at Ash earlier (which I mentioned in my original post) was significantly larger and laggier. As others have said, there was a ~10 second delay on all abilities, sometimes my entire hotbar was getting locked out, and other times everyone would come to a complete stop before suddenly speeding toward the correct location. The only thing more chaotic than that battle was the lag it caused, yet there was no server crash (which I was amazed about considering how easily I crash sometimes).

If there was an EP presence at Ash at the time of the crash, I was unaware of it aside from a very small group we'd spotted early on. There were loads of AD and DC and it was an intense battle. It's a shame the way the battle had concluded; even if we'd lost it would have been awesome.

I've not had any other experience with servers being crashed by players, but the timing is absolutely suspect. Combined with many others saying this has happened multiple times arouses more suspicions.

Some kind of proof would be nice but I don't really know how you could prove such a thing without someone in the guilty faction capturing it as it happens.

My guildie said he was talking to the DC emp at the time, who was not in Cyrodil. He was asked if he feared losing his empship and supposedly claimed that everything was under control. Guildie asked if DC crashed the server intentionally, and was then blocked. Not proof, but more suspicions.

If people are indeed intentionally attempting to and succeeding at crashing the servers, this is an enormous problem that deserves some degree of priority by the dev team. Find out who is doing this and stop them, but further more, fix the servers so that no matter how hard they try, they cannot crash the server like that.

Columba

Tripwyr wrote: »

Everybody so far has hit the nail on the head. The defining factor is this: the game only crashes when <that blue group> is present and a crash would benefit the Daggerfall Covenant. Whether that means crashing the server while taking the last Red or Yellow emp keep, crashing the server before losing the last Blue emp keep, or when any faction owns any blue scroll.

The correlation is extremely clear, and much larger zergs than <that blue group> are able to play cleanly and without crashing.

Wrong. You probably believe the moon landing never happened either. I have experienced DOZENS of crashes that hurt DC. You are sadly and willfully mistaken. L2P vs whining about some imaginary intentional crashing, lol.

Pathfinder

ZoS really needs to start reducing the max pop until the crashes stop.

Columba

Nala_ wrote: »

you have to be mentally deficient if you still haven't realized that EGL are purposefully crashing the server at this point. people have been posting about it on the forums SINCE WABBA 2.0.

You must be slow witted to believe that they are or can intentionally crash it. In their team speak and in their group while this has happened, and NEVER ONCE did anyone say anything about trying to crash the server. No one called for healing springs. We all complained about horrific lag.

So keep making things up. Better yet, offer a shred of proof. You are making excuses.

Btw, Brandon wasn't even on last night.

Columba

As I think about it, people ARE building ultimates to prepare for a push. I think it's a broken mechanic that allows ultimates to build outside of combat, but perhaps that's what's going on. The intent is NOT to crash the server.

In fact, I've heard leaders tell people to STOP spamming.

Kevinmon

ZOS needs to fix this ***. DC is crashing the server whenever they lose like a bunch of crybabies.

Grim13

Columba wrote: »

As I think about it, people ARE building ultimates to prepare for a push. I think it's a broken mechanic that allows ultimates to build outside of combat, but perhaps that's what's going on. The intent is NOT to crash the server.

In fact, I've heard leaders tell people to STOP spamming.

..yet, it has been known to repeatedly crash the server since the days of Wabba... Only certain DC guilds ever "accidentally" causes these crashes (strange how the crashes don't occur on the servers said guild isn't on)... and DC players have openly admitted to witnessing it on numerous occasions AND have even reported that it is, in fact, intentional...

lol

we're the tinfoil hat wearers, huh?

Pathfinder

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

As I think about it, people ARE building ultimates to prepare for a push. I think it's a broken mechanic that allows ultimates to build outside of combat, but perhaps that's what's going on. The intent is NOT to crash the server.

In fact, I've heard leaders tell people to STOP spamming.

..yet, it has been known to repeatedly crash the server since the days of Wabba... Only certain DC guilds ever "accidentally" causes these crashes (strange how the crashes don't occur on the servers said guild isn't on)... and DC players have openly admitted to witnessing it on numerous occasions AND have even reported that it is, in fact, intentional...

lol

we're the tinfoil hat wearers, huh?

Chill had been pop locked numerous times before EG showed up and we never seemed to crash. Just coincidence too I guess.

Xsorus

Pathfinder wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

As I think about it, people ARE building ultimates to prepare for a push. I think it's a broken mechanic that allows ultimates to build outside of combat, but perhaps that's what's going on. The intent is NOT to crash the server.

In fact, I've heard leaders tell people to STOP spamming.

..yet, it has been known to repeatedly crash the server since the days of Wabba... Only certain DC guilds ever "accidentally" causes these crashes (strange how the crashes don't occur on the servers said guild isn't on)... and DC players have openly admitted to witnessing it on numerous occasions AND have even reported that it is, in fact, intentional...

lol

we're the tinfoil hat wearers, huh?

Chill had been pop locked numerous times before EG showed up and we never seemed to crash. Just coincidence too I guess.

I don't think they're trying to crash it intentionally, but it is 100% EG causing it. But that its a symptom of AOE caps.

decado0024_ESO

Columba wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

you have to be mentally deficient if you still haven't realized that EGL are purposefully crashing the server at this point. people have been posting about it on the forums SINCE WABBA 2.0.

You must be slow witted to believe that they are or can intentionally crash it. In their team speak and in their group while this has happened, and NEVER ONCE did anyone say anything about trying to crash the server. No one called for healing springs. We all complained about horrific lag.

So keep making things up. Better yet, offer a shred of proof. You are making excuses.

Btw, Brandon wasn't even on last night.

Ok ? for you as u seem to be the main defender here. What guild are you in? im willing to bet ur with the guild that has been doing this since wabba. Maybe before u run off at the mouth u should L2P a little better. the troll camps at just the right time and the pathetic server crash just goes to show how weak EG actually is as a guild and individual members. Also feel free to leave chillrend ASAP Your cheating is not welcome on a legit pvp campaign.

Xsorus

decado0024_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

you have to be mentally deficient if you still haven't realized that EGL are purposefully crashing the server at this point. people have been posting about it on the forums SINCE WABBA 2.0.

You must be slow witted to believe that they are or can intentionally crash it. In their team speak and in their group while this has happened, and NEVER ONCE did anyone say anything about trying to crash the server. No one called for healing springs. We all complained about horrific lag.

So keep making things up. Better yet, offer a shred of proof. You are making excuses.

Btw, Brandon wasn't even on last night.

Ok ? for you as u seem to be the main defender here. What guild are you in? im willing to bet ur with the guild that has been doing this since wabba. Maybe before u run off at the mouth u should L2P a little better. the troll camps at just the right time and the pathetic server crash just goes to show how weak EG actually is as a guild and individual members. Also feel free to leave chillrend ASAP Your cheating is not welcome on a legit pvp campaign.

He is in EG.

decado0024_ESO

yep surprise level of 0

Columba

decado0024_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

you have to be mentally deficient if you still haven't realized that EGL are purposefully crashing the server at this point. people have been posting about it on the forums SINCE WABBA 2.0.

You must be slow witted to believe that they are or can intentionally crash it. In their team speak and in their group while this has happened, and NEVER ONCE did anyone say anything about trying to crash the server. No one called for healing springs. We all complained about horrific lag.

So keep making things up. Better yet, offer a shred of proof. You are making excuses.

Btw, Brandon wasn't even on last night.

Ok ? for you as u seem to be the main defender here. What guild are you in? im willing to bet ur with the guild that has been doing this since wabba. Maybe before u run off at the mouth u should L2P a little better. the troll camps at just the right time and the pathetic server crash just goes to show how weak EG actually is as a guild and individual members. Also feel free to leave chillrend ASAP Your cheating is not welcome on a legit pvp campaign.

lol pay my sub and I will do what you tell me! I don't even have healing springs on my bar so cry more and L2P. I already came up with a reasonable explanation for your slow witted ones. Players are building ultimates. That's a bad mechanic. get zenimax to fix that instead of crying to mommy.

again, offer a shred of proof or shut it.

troll camps? lol. I place camps when people ask for them. again a lame whine.

jaebdub

Pathfinder wrote: »

What I saw right before the crash was a 40 man zerg of AD spamming springs and impulse right in front of the closed inner keep door. No rhyme or reason to it as far as I could see.

Meaning we weren't fighting anyone?

Columba

fine. prove it. I already offered one explanation.

Pathfinder

jaebdub wrote: »

Pathfinder wrote: »

What I saw right before the crash was a 40 man zerg of AD spamming springs and impulse right in front of the closed inner keep door. No rhyme or reason to it as far as I could see.

^ This. This is exactly what I'm talking about. They were inside of the closed keep spamming at the time of the crash.

Well AD was doing this on the OUTSIDE of the door at ASH (probably charging ults). From what I understand (I didnt see it) there was DC doing the same thing on the inside at the top flag.

Columba

Pathfinder wrote: »

jaebdub wrote: »

Pathfinder wrote: »

What I saw right before the crash was a 40 man zerg of AD spamming springs and impulse right in front of the closed inner keep door. No rhyme or reason to it as far as I could see.

^ This. This is exactly what I'm talking about. They were inside of the closed keep spamming at the time of the crash.

Well AD was doing this on the OUTSIDE of the door at ASH (probably charging ults). From what I understand (I didnt see it) there was DC doing the same thing on the inside at the top flag.

bingo.. CHARGING ULTS. COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT MECHANIC.

serenenightmare

GRxKnight wrote: »

Servers were fine before EG and NM showed up. NM apparently only runs with sub 20 per night and EG has 100+ members on at a time it seems. I wonder which guild is responsible for this.

Blaming No Mercy, eh? Yeah, with only 8 people online at the time. Get Proof before you start accusing my guild. Low blow for something we have no hand in.