Sneak speed issue

glitchmaster999

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Azarul

Agreed, thanks for being honest. Everyone knows its wrong they just don't want to give up the fun.

kijima

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

Attorneyatlawl

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

Quoted for truth.

By the way, here are some actual numbers for sneak speeds, hard data I have confirmed both manually and with an addon:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/129146/let-s-clear-up-the-whole-stealth-speed-issue-w-vampires-hard-data-and-actual-testing-inside

Irrelevant to forum whingers, sure, but for anyone interested in the facts? I highly encourage you to read that.

Tootall2186

You have to be a vampire to use it.... You have to take over 50% more damage from fire. And have your health regen reduced by 25%.... You can also NOT use it in combat and it also goes away if you're sneaking and you get too close to a player or npc and the eye opens...

You like to use a horse...

Other people like to run around.. This combo makes running around actualy viable. But it comes with a heavy price of being a vamp.

Name one reason or one scenario where a vampire isn't extremely fast? Also you should know that in a race vs someone with a max speed horse... The horse wins everytime. On top of the horse being able to sprint indefinitely and the player having to worry about running out of stamina or the eye opening ever so slightly and the run boost being canceled...

Also, keep it to 1 big thread. Stop making multiple threads about the same topic.

ThisOnePosts

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

The OP is either full of it or is racing versus slow horses. Any medium speed horses and above will outrun you. Not to mention the amazing bonuses you sacrifice just to get the speed.


However kijima knows exactly what they are talking about. LOLL yes go grab the scroll, then invis to hide and stealth speed your way away with it. Watch how fast it drops (IE, IMMEDIATELY).

OP, you also aren't going to go track down the scroll runner as they are surrounded by tons of people typically. And if you did happen to get lucky, you'd be dead before you could get away unless it was 5 level 10s with no skills on their skill bar. Because you know, that's usually how they run. Impen gear = stops you from 1 shotting all but "soft targets" -- just like what kijima pointed out as well.

Also, you have to get completely stealth and non-Cloak to take advantage of it's speed. Cloak is not sneak. It draws your weapons. That means you have to put them on and wait a moment to start moving faster. While you are not in cloak but are stealthed, with weapons sheathed, that is when you move fastest.

So how much damage can you actually do? How many people are you taking out with this set/passive combo all in a row like the countless Youtube videos of DKs and lately Temps taking out tons of enemies while not sneaking. The NB videos sneaking they get an opening shot from stealth and never have I seen them sneaking around within the battle as that is something that could not happen unless there was a major glitch --- which I have yet to see/hear of in those regards.

EQBallzz

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

Nicely said. People conveniently forget that the stealth speed setup has to give up a lot for that speed and it has ZERO benefit in combat. You give up the 5 piece set bonus, you are very vulnerable to fire, your health regen is almost nil. You also have to use up precious armor slots for fire resist gear and you have to compensate for the health regen somehow. If you use concealed weapon you give up a useful ability morph to improve DPS on target. Vamps look ugly as f#&k.

It's also *not* faster than a mount. It's on par with a fast mount running at normal speed but a sprinting horse will outrun you. The only real use for it is to scout in Cyrodiil which is a non-combat activity so who cares? Why not have a useful non-combat set up to support that role for diversity?

Not that it matters anyway..They already stated that it's getting nerfed in update 4 so why do people continue to whine about it?

mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Name one reason or one scenario where a vampire isn't extremely fast? .

Daylight

ow...and Twilight doesnt count

akray21

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

glitchmaster999

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

1. You forget like 4 possible move speed buffs, assult tree skill, mist form and refreshing path are three that I have used (though not the path as much) and you do very much outrun horses at 50 speed at least that I have tested with.

2. Wrecking blow - stampede - execute = 1.8k + 650 + 1k so yeah not one shot but pretty much, as long as they aren't blocking can kill anyone like this.

3. You should read things first, didn't ever say I did carry the scroll, I said can catch people that are carrying the scroll way too easily

4. Nightblade invis gets you ludicrous speed boost for 3 seconds which is enough to get away from anyone but nightblades with mark and sorcs with streak.

5. "This set is op but that doesnt matter because you miss out on other sets to get it" yeah sounds like good logic lol

Its broken stop defending something just cause you use it

akray21

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

1. You forget like 4 possible move speed buffs, assult tree skill, mist form and refreshing path are three that I have used (though not the path as much) and you do very much outrun horses at 50 speed at least that I have tested with.

2. Wrecking blow - stampede - execute = 1.8k + 650 + 1k so yeah not one shot but pretty much, as long as they aren't blocking can kill anyone like this.

3. You should read things first, didn't ever say I did carry the scroll, I said can catch people that are carrying the scroll way too easily

4. Nightblade invis gets you ludicrous speed boost for 3 seconds which is enough to get away from anyone but nightblades with mark and sorcs with streak.

5. "This set is op but that doesnt matter because you miss out on other sets to get it" yeah sounds like good logic lol

Its broken stop defending something just cause you use it

1. Invis gives 0 speed boost.
2. Also broken by any damage.

Classes are supposed to have strengths and weaknesses. Sneak should be a NB strength

glitchmaster999

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Garbage, it's not honest.

I'm a VR12 stamina build NB Vamp and used nights silence as well, plus concealed weapon and have run with the steed mundas before with all the other bits of speed you could think of. I'm also very high with crit and my bow damage and dual wield is very high. The bow I use is VR12 dominion in yellow plus I have the rings for that set etc...

Sure, I like the nights silence set and I will defend it as I like this style of play, but lets not let a good story get in the way of facts, because your statement is not honest. The facts are as follows:

1. A fast horse is still faster than me period! That is, fastest vamp with nights silence and all the other gear.

2. With the amount of impen and heath people have no in Cyrodiil (3000+) you wont be one shotting anyone, well, maybe players that aren't VR12 (which isnt many anymore) so you are a soft target hunter.

3. You can't 'carry' a scroll while in stealth. In fact you can't do much of anything in stealth, what exactly is the big deal? Your a NB, you should like being in stealth and your a vamp, a super human that ...oh, I don't know. Runs fast!

4. As soon as you attack and you are out of stealth, your speed is goneski. Popping a invis potion will only give you 3 seconds, when it finishes you'll pop back out for everyone one to see,

5. Running this set is very focused, and it does work well if you are built for it. Yes, this is true. But given the fact you miss out on so many other things, I'm not sure it's worth the speed.

I use this set for fun, but then I have other sets, Hundigs, Night Mother, Stygian and my new fave, the Sentry set which yield me much more damage, and much more crit (in the 80%'s ) and Nights Silence ever will, these are my serious killing sets.

It's like most things, a few people whinged about the set with vamp and before you know it, BAM it's gone. I find this hilarious, so many broken things, so many OP things to worry about and this is what they fix in 1.42...... LOL!

You want fast and OP, then look no further than streak FFS.

1. You forget like 4 possible move speed buffs, assult tree skill, mist form and refreshing path are three that I have used (though not the path as much) and you do very much outrun horses at 50 speed at least that I have tested with.

2. Wrecking blow - stampede - execute = 1.8k + 650 + 1k so yeah not one shot but pretty much, as long as they aren't blocking can kill anyone like this.

3. You should read things first, didn't ever say I did carry the scroll, I said can catch people that are carrying the scroll way too easily

4. Nightblade invis gets you ludicrous speed boost for 3 seconds which is enough to get away from anyone but nightblades with mark and sorcs with streak.

5. "This set is op but that doesnt matter because you miss out on other sets to get it" yeah sounds like good logic lol

Its broken stop defending something just cause you use it

1. Invis gives 0 speed boost.
2. Also broken by any damage.

Classes are supposed to have strengths and weaknesses. Sneak should be a NB strength

1. Invis gives full sneak speed bonus in combat
2. If you arent bad you can get out before you take any, done it hundreds of times

glitchmaster999

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

Lol max spell damage and magicka, try weapon damage, stamina and crit damage and you might see why.... wrecking blow does 5k in pve, only 1.8+ in pvp but still gets them low enough to insta burst.... if you havent tried it you should, I use dual wield resto in PVE and dual wield two hander in pvp

akray21

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

Lol max spell damage and magicka, try weapon damage, stamina and crit damage and you might see why.... wrecking blow does 5k in pve, only 1.8+ in pvp but still gets them low enough to insta burst.... if you havent tried it you should, I use dual wield resto in PVE and dual wield two hander in pvp

LOL... Concealed weapon is based on spell damage and magicka... Do you even ESO bro?

eNumbra

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

1. Invis gives full sneak speed bonus in combat
times

Pots or cloak?

Because I assure you, cloak does not give you the speed boost. As long as you're "in combat" you get nothing from the set.

glitchmaster999

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

Lol max spell damage and magicka, try weapon damage, stamina and crit damage and you might see why.... wrecking blow does 5k in pve, only 1.8+ in pvp but still gets them low enough to insta burst.... if you havent tried it you should, I use dual wield resto in PVE and dual wield two hander in pvp

LOL... Concealed weapon is based on spell damage and magicka... Do you even ESO bro?

Then your build must be so *** because my concealed weapon hits for 1.6k all the time in pvp....... you must really suck and my heavy attacks out of sneak hit harder than that..... magicka spell power just doesnt sneak attack as hard as stamina....

akray21

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

Lol max spell damage and magicka, try weapon damage, stamina and crit damage and you might see why.... wrecking blow does 5k in pve, only 1.8+ in pvp but still gets them low enough to insta burst.... if you havent tried it you should, I use dual wield resto in PVE and dual wield two hander in pvp

LOL... Concealed weapon is based on spell damage and magicka... Do you even ESO bro?

Then your build must be so *** because my concealed weapon hits for 1.6k all the time in pvp....... you must really suck and my heavy attacks out of sneak hit harder than that..... magicka spell power just doesnt sneak attack as hard as stamina....

Video or didn't happen

glitchmaster999

eNumbra wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

1. Invis gives full sneak speed bonus in combat
times

Pots or cloak?

Because I assure you, cloak does not give you the speed boost. As long as you're "in combat" you get nothing from the set.

As long as there is no one in range with magelight you get all boosts except for the armor boost but you still run super fast away from the fight while invisible, my sorc buddy gets annoyed at me all the time for it ccause he cant even catch up when we leave the fight...

Attorneyatlawl

eNumbra wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

1. Invis gives full sneak speed bonus in combat
times

Pots or cloak?

Because I assure you, cloak does not give you the speed boost. As long as you're "in combat" you get nothing from the set.

Just confirming this as I tested it myself awhile ago.

glitchmaster999

Rapid maneuver, refreshing path with concealed weapon gives you a crazy speed boost while invisible....

glitchmaster999

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

I'm a v10 stamina nightblade and I used the nights silence, vampire combo to run faster than horses, don't kid yourself saying it doesn't need a nerf, I could literally one shot someone out of stealth with my two hander then be back at the keep by the time my invis ran out. When they took a scroll I could walk through the middle of countless reds and catch up the scroll runner, its broken as all hell and needs to be nerfed, horses should be fastest thing in the game by a long stretch.

Lie. Show me a video of this so called one shot... I have max spell damage AND magicka and do only about 1.2k damage (about a third of players health in PvP).

Lol max spell damage and magicka, try weapon damage, stamina and crit damage and you might see why.... wrecking blow does 5k in pve, only 1.8+ in pvp but still gets them low enough to insta burst.... if you havent tried it you should, I use dual wield resto in PVE and dual wield two hander in pvp

LOL... Concealed weapon is based on spell damage and magicka... Do you even ESO bro?

Then your build must be so *** because my concealed weapon hits for 1.6k all the time in pvp....... you must really suck and my heavy attacks out of sneak hit harder than that..... magicka spell power just doesnt sneak attack as hard as stamina....

Video or didn't happen

Go out, find a character that isnt wearing a stick and skirt, concealed weapon see how much you hit for, if its less than 1.4k you are doing sonething wrong

kijima

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

1. You forget like 4 possible move speed buffs, assult tree skill, mist form and refreshing path are three that I have used (though not the path as much) and you do very much outrun horses at 50 speed at least that I have tested with.

2. Wrecking blow - stampede - execute = 1.8k + 650 + 1k so yeah not one shot but pretty much, as long as they aren't blocking can kill anyone like this.

3. You should read things first, didn't ever say I did carry the scroll, I said can catch people that are carrying the scroll way too easily

4. Nightblade invis gets you ludicrous speed boost for 3 seconds which is enough to get away from anyone but nightblades with mark and sorcs with streak.

5. "This set is op but that doesnt matter because you miss out on other sets to get it" yeah sounds like good logic lol

Its broken stop defending something just cause you use it

No, I didn't forget anything, and let's not forget something else. You HAVE to use medium armour for this too. No good trying to make a fast light armour set as the Medium passives won't help you. The atheltics passives gives you 28% with 7 medium.

I've literally tested this till the cows come home. I had nights silence before the 60% it has now when it was broken (the tool tip bar was wrong, it said it had 120%) yet I still persisted with occasionally putting it on and having a go. You can run rapid maneuvers but then so can everyone else, Concealed weapon gives you the extra 25% which helps, and there are a few more things you can do as an NB, also my Nights Silence set was full mundas and I had the steed mundas. Yeah, tell me again how that isn't gimping you? Full mundas and no impenetrable?

Just to clarify, there is no set currently, no setup that will outrun a fast horse period.

Yes, I'll outright quite a few horses that have been split with stamina and carrying, but a full speed horse, nope it's faster.

Vamps should be fast, we need the ability to move out of the way of a fire balista, otherwise BOOM! I see no issue with this set stacking.

1. I didn't 'like' forget anything. Fast horse is still the quater mile king.

2. No, it's not one shot, it's three using your owns words. Thankyou, I agree with you now. When you first said you could literally one shot everyone, well... We all know that's not true.

3. I did read what you said, and I didn't say you were carrying the scroll. For whats it's worth the scroll carrier, CANT ride a horse and you are a VAMP with superhuman speed so you can catch up to him. Yup, I understand the simplicity of this. What don't you understand? You can't ride a horse or be in stealth WITH the scroll so the point is purely moot. And with some of the fights I've seen around scrolls recently, the area of the fight is so big, nights silence is going to help you get near a scroll, but that's about it' You wont get out of the fight when you get in it, and that set won't let you live.

4. Nightblade invis? Huh? If you are seen and pop either shadow cloak, shadowy disguise or dark cloak you don't keep the same speed bonuses... Otherwise everything is the same, not sure why this is such a big deal.

5. Yes, that logic of it gimps you by using this set IS logic. This set makes you soft and squishy, you get a DK to see you before you get into vis, charge you then it's game over unless you have a good exit strategy and mine doesn't revolve around speed. My exit strategy while using that set doesn't have anything to do with speed, it's smack down immovable and then drop mist form and bugger off with them trying to hit you and doing next to no damage while in mist form. THAT is an exit strategy. But jebus, look at the gear I have on my bar to do that.... Gimps the hell out of me.

I'll stump up here as I'm not a super duper player or anything. I'm not a named name or anything and I get killed a LOT in Cyrodiil. Yeah, I have some good days, just last night kill/die ratio hit 22 which is my personal best but I get owned by so many good players that it's not really much of an achievement. I'm sure a few people could reply to this thread saying, yeah Annur hits like a freight train with her bow, or no, she is soft and squishy. And that's the point I'm making, it's not OP and I'm not defending it just because I like it. And I do like it sure. I'm defending the set as the change is wrong.

My name in game is Anurraame Riverdale, and I like Nights Silence the way it is.

Samadhi

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Rapid maneuver, refreshing path with concealed weapon gives you a crazy speed boost while invisible....

None of these have anything to do with the set.
All of these will continue to stack after the set is changed.

The set does not work in combat.

So what you're really saying is you want these effects to stop stacking, but that there is no issue with Night's Silence.

akray21

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Rapid maneuver, refreshing path with concealed weapon gives you a crazy speed boost while invisible....

1. Using an ability takes you out of stealth.
2. Rapid Maneuver uses over 800 stamina (which leaves very little to actually sneak).
3. Wasting a slot on refreshing path... no
4. Using all these abilities leaves no resources to attack

And I am OMW to AvA right not to re-check my concealed weapon damage

glitchmaster999

kijima wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

1. You forget like 4 possible move speed buffs, assult tree skill, mist form and refreshing path are three that I have used (though not the path as much) and you do very much outrun horses at 50 speed at least that I have tested with.

2. Wrecking blow - stampede - execute = 1.8k + 650 + 1k so yeah not one shot but pretty much, as long as they aren't blocking can kill anyone like this.

3. You should read things first, didn't ever say I did carry the scroll, I said can catch people that are carrying the scroll way too easily

4. Nightblade invis gets you ludicrous speed boost for 3 seconds which is enough to get away from anyone but nightblades with mark and sorcs with streak.

5. "This set is op but that doesnt matter because you miss out on other sets to get it" yeah sounds like good logic lol

Its broken stop defending something just cause you use it

No, I didn't forget anything, and let's not forget something else. You HAVE to use medium armour for this too. No good trying to make a fast light armour set as the Medium passives won't help you. The atheltics passives gives you 28% with 7 medium.

I've literally tested this till the cows come home. I had nights silence before the 60% it has now when it was broken (the tool tip bar was wrong, it said it had 120%) yet I still persisted with occasionally putting it on and having a go. You can run rapid maneuvers but then so can everyone else, Concealed weapon gives you the extra 25% which helps, and there are a few more things you can do as an NB, also my Nights Silence set was full mundas and I had the steed mundas. Yeah, tell me again how that isn't gimping you? Full mundas and no impenetrable?

Just to clarify, there is no set currently, no setup that will outrun a fast horse period.

Yes, I'll outright quite a few horses that have been split with stamina and carrying, but a full speed horse, nope it's faster.

Vamps should be fast, we need the ability to move out of the way of a fire balista, otherwise BOOM! I see no issue with this set stacking.

1. I didn't 'like' forget anything. Fast horse is still the quater mile king.

2. No, it's not one shot, it's three using your owns words. Thankyou, I agree with you now. When you first said you could literally one shot everyone, well... We all know that's not true.

3. I did read what you said, and I didn't say you were carrying the scroll. For whats it's worth the scroll carrier, CANT ride a horse and you are a VAMP with superhuman speed so you can catch up to him. Yup, I understand the simplicity of this. What don't you understand? You can't ride a horse or be in stealth WITH the scroll so the point is purely moot. And with some of the fights I've seen around scrolls recently, the area of the fight is so big, nights silence is going to help you get near a scroll, but that's about it' You wont get out of the fight when you get in it, and that set won't let you live.

4. Nightblade invis? Huh? If you are seen and pop either shadow cloak, shadowy disguise or dark cloak you don't keep the same speed bonuses... Otherwise everything is the same, not sure why this is such a big deal.

5. Yes, that logic of it gimps you by using this set IS logic. This set makes you soft and squishy, you get a DK to see you before you get into vis, charge you then it's game over unless you have a good exit strategy and mine doesn't revolve around speed. My exit strategy while using that set doesn't have anything to do with speed, it's smack down immovable and then drop mist form and bugger off with them trying to hit you and doing next to no damage while in mist form. THAT is an exit strategy. But jebus, look at the gear I have on my bar to do that.... Gimps the hell out of me.

I'll stump up here as I'm not a super duper player or anything. I'm not a named name or anything and I get killed a LOT in Cyrodiil. Yeah, I have some good days, just last night kill/die ratio hit 22 which is my personal best but I get owned by so many good players that it's not really much of an achievement. I'm sure a few people could reply to this thread saying, yeah Annur hits like a freight train with her bow, or no, she is soft and squishy. And that's the point I'm making, it's not OP and I'm not defending it just because I like it. And I do like it sure. I'm defending the set as the change is wrong.

My name in game is Anurraame Riverdale, and I like Nights Silence the way it is.

Lol as opposed to other nightblade dps sets that make you...... just as sqyishy, this isthe exact same attitude people had on bolt escape..... "no its not op because I have died a couple of times using it"

Grand_Wazoo

Here's a thought...who cares? This game is so buggy, if you can get an edge by sneaking fast and spamming an AOE and kill everything and be super awesome, then ROCK AND ROLL!! I wish people would stop whining about what isn't "fair".

I'm just happy when I can play for more than 20 mins without a crash, falling through the map, or running into a bugged quest that needs a patch to fix a patch that updates a fix for a patch that patched a bug...sorry....I need more cheese to go with my WHINE.......

glitchmaster999

akray21 wrote: »

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Rapid maneuver, refreshing path with concealed weapon gives you a crazy speed boost while invisible....

1. Using an ability takes you out of stealth.
2. Rapid Maneuver uses over 800 stamina (which leaves very little to actually sneak).
3. Wasting a slot on refreshing path... no
4. Using all these abilities leaves no resources to attack

And I am OMW to AvA right not to re-check my concealed weapon damage

I have it on my off bar and you do rapid maneuver just before the fight.. you arent trying to fight, you do it to run away till you can get to sneak, make sure they arent blocking or using immovable and preferably not a stick and skirt..

glitchmaster999

Grand_Wazoo wrote: »

Here's a thought...who cares? This game is so buggy, if you can get an edge by sneaking fast and spamming an AOE and kill everything and be super awesome, then ROCK AND ROLL!! I wish people would stop whining about what isn't "fair".

I'm just happy when I can play for more than 20 mins without a crash, falling through the map, or running into a bugged quest that needs a patch to fix a patch that updates a fix for a patch that patched a bug...sorry....I need more cheese to go with my WHINE.......

Whines about people whining, good effort.... literally have not hit one bugged quest since 1.1, sure there are sure there but hey what game doesnt have bugs, I have never crashed in cyrodil except in memory leaks and im on australian internet

Grand_Wazoo

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Grand_Wazoo wrote: »

Here's a thought...who cares? This game is so buggy, if you can get an edge by sneaking fast and spamming an AOE and kill everything and be super awesome, then ROCK AND ROLL!! I wish people would stop whining about what isn't "fair".

I'm just happy when I can play for more than 20 mins without a crash, falling through the map, or running into a bugged quest that needs a patch to fix a patch that updates a fix for a patch that patched a bug...sorry....I need more cheese to go with my WHINE.......

Whines about people whining, good effort.... literally have not hit one bugged quest since 1.1, sure there are sure there but hey what game doesnt have bugs, I have never crashed in cyrodil except in memory leaks and im on australian internet

Well, THERE!! Isn't that WONDERFUL!!

R0M2K

I think OP is just a troll and dont even have a NB...

glitchmaster999

R0M2K wrote: »

I think OP is just a troll and dont even have a NB...

Actually I have two nightblades, one vet 11 now (yay) and one only lvl 20 or something. I have been playing him since launch he just hit 8000 achievement points, I am just finishing up the last zone of daggerfall before I finish literally every alliance zone 100% dungeons skyshards everything and I have gone through pretty much every nightbalde build under the sun (excluding tanks) so yeah