Thornblade NA = Dead

russb7b14_ESO

**I am not blaming anyone below. Play how you like, when you like! Just stating the obvious.**

Stick a fork in it already! Who from North American time zone is going to want to play here anymore with the overwhelming late night and daytime presence of AD?

Locked pop vs 1 bar is demoralizing and will lead to more and more people quitting or moving to a different campaign.

I wish there were only 2 campaigns, 1 non-vet, 1 vet or some type of population balance for current servers.

The best times for me in pvp have been when Wabbajack was always triple pop locked and the scores were all close. The first half of Thornblade 1.0 was also much like this, but it was a handful of guilds that played almost around the clock that kept it close for the non-ad factions.

Azarul

They have to make the population cap dynamic or its going to die. If DC has 1 bar AD should lock at 2 tops. Its that or make a campaign that locks from such and such time which I know nobody wants.

Talcyndl

Logged in this morning to 20+ AD camping the EP south gate. AD owns everything (except Warden I think).

Looking forward to the AD folks bragging on their great victory.

Draxys

That's what we're all saying. Lots of reds on thorn came to chill where they've been doing the exact same thing. Nothing to be done about it unless oceanic/daytime players get their own server (not going to happen) or actually decide to play one another.

Agrippa_Invisus

Between EP and DC, we successfully pushed 11 keeps last night against AD.

We only lost three of them by the time I went to bed, even locked population against 2 Bars EP/1 Bar DC.

When I wake up this morning and check, it's completely gone. All the work down the tubes and complete reset to yellow. They even took Dragonclaw. Why? Because screw us, that's why.

And the yellow guilds smugly proclaim their awesomeness and farm away as we just try to achieve home keep bonus once again.

Huntler

WE DID IT

Manoekin

Is this our Congrats Thornblade AD Victory thread already? Everyone moved servers is all except for some of the AD that didn't want to.

LonePirate

I guess I am a bit more forgiving and understanding of the overnight AD crew who convert the entire map to yellow. They are paying customers and they have every right to play the game as intended and as expected - take keeps and scrolls while securing the Ruby Throne.

That being said, it is incredibly bad sportsmanship to camp an enemy's base camp gate to prevent them from even entering the game.

I honestly don't know what the solution to this problem is but ZOS needs to implement one and quick. Maybe they need to implement some sort of population locks. Maybe they need to radically boost (like 5x or even a 10x boost) the AP and gold rewards for factions that confront a solid enemy map and massive population imbalances. Maybe they need to reduce the number of guards and the strength of walls of keeps due to a "spread too thin" philosophy.

If the AD crew doesn't want to fix the problem by moving some of their players to other factions, then ZOS will need to do something (and not tinker with the campaign scoring system like they just did with Haderus on the PTS).

Pchela

I'm one of those 12 hour a day pvp'ers. I log in at 8am and join PUGs till my guild's events happen in the evening. With that said, I see a lot of what's going on in Thornblade.

I wanted to try and stay with Thorn. I really did. I had a lot of hope, but it's dwindling fast. My players can't even get through gates anymore without being ambushed and morale is very low. To have the only 30day campaign ruled over like this is getting tiring.

s7732425ub17_ESO

I don't see what is so fun about PvDooring. Get a large zerg. Attack an empty keep. Fight off a few NPCs. Kill 0 players. Take keep. Get 500 AP. Repeat for all other keeps on map while rest of the population sleeps.

The most fun times in PvP are when all three populations are locked. There are usually 3 massive battles underway with pugs, and a few guilds strategically sneak behind enemy lines and try to disrupt the balance. This is PVP. This is fun.

Agrippa_Invisus

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't see what is so fun about PvDooring. Get a large zerg. Attack an empty keep. Fight off a few NPCs. Kill 0 players. Take keep. Get 500 AP. Repeat for all other keeps on map while rest of the population sleeps.

The most fun times in PvP are when all three populations are locked. There are usually 3 massive battles underway with pugs, and a few guilds strategically sneak behind enemy lines and try to disrupt the balance. This is PVP. This is fun.

500 AP? That's only if you have the quest. More like 120 for an empty keep.

frwinters_ESO

I do not know why a lot of people left Thornblade. It was the top server when it opened then half way through a bunch of EP left, then DC then Ad took over. chillrend is now the top server and I do not know why.

Rylana

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

I do not know why a lot of people left Thornblade. It was the top server when it opened then half way through a bunch of EP left, then DC then Ad took over. chillrend is now the top server and I do not know why.

because reasons

Davadin

Dead? I've been playing there for a little over a week now and it's been full with people anytime from 8PM - 2AM EST.... like... major battles happening.

My only concern is WTF is wrong with EP... everytime I check all 3 sides are full, but seems like we always got outnumbered... There are 2 full raids of red last night defending keeps over keeps yet we kept getting steamrolled by the bazillion yellows keep after keeps...

Cinnamon_Spider

I was on til 5 am Pacific time with just a handful of other EP and AD had a full zerg going. Two bars on AD to one each for EP and DC. We tried defending against them at Kings, but they would just come back with larger groups when we wiped them til we couldn't hold them back anymore.

Davadin

some people are saying a lot of aussies/oceania players are on AD....

Clansman2013

The only way this will ever be fixed is if they can somehow make sure there are fair numbers from all sides at all times. If EP or DC had a massive oceanic presence, they would be doing the same thing at night.

From an EP point of view however, I logged in last night, saw the map and switched my home campaign, as it seemed there was no point any longer in even trying to PvP in Thornblade.

Tintinabula

Im not waiting 30 days for a new campaign

RedTalon

Be sure to use the campaign to grab easy ecouting mission from then return to your normal campaign and so on easy ap and good way to past time between fights elsewhere.

Edit: This is more a suggestion for people needing an easy if not a bit slow way to change campaigns and lack ap, it beats waiting 30 days and takes about an 1 hour to an hour and a half.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

They should just put in a dynamic cap on population. If a realm have 20% more online on a server than any of the others the server get blocked for more to enter.

And then they should stop this home server / guest server nonsense. All servers should be open to anyone at any time just as long as any single realm cannot pass that 20% cap over the others.

The result would be that late nighters and ausies will have to go to servers with other people who play at their hours to be able to enter Cyrodiil.

And if all servers are locked they will have to make characters in another realm and thus over time population will balance out.

Rylana

RedTalon wrote: »

Be sure to use the campaign to grab easy ecouting mission from then return to your normal campaign and so on easy ap and good way to past time between fights elsewhere.

You know no one does that anymore right?

It is literally one of the slowest AP generators out there.

Even though ive seen you post about it before, youre on this campaign to point out the people who did it five months ago... its dead jim.

Huntler

Cody wrote: »

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You wouldn't happen to be bothered to explain how exactly did "AD guilds" ruin thornblade?

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purgation

Huntler wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to be bothered to explain how exactly did "AD guilds" ruin thornblade?

I probably shouldn't speak for someone else, but the decision of all of APAC to join one faction and pile on one server makes it unfun (technically, not a guild per se)

Having the server reset to all yellow every night while I sleep is neither competitive nor fun. EP and DC "were" competitive in NA prime-time, but it made no difference, so everyone left.

/shrug.

Talcyndl

purgation wrote: »

EP and DC "were" competitive in NA prime-time, but it made no difference, so everyone left.

No quite everyone. Vokundein stuck it out as the other EP guilds went to Chillrend. But, toward the last half of the campaign we seemed to be the only organized EP group running most nights we raided.

It's now gotten to the point that I'm finding it hard to convince our members that staying on Thornblade makes sense.

That's too bad, but the overnight (and now primetime) population imbalance makes it tough - especially for the PvE folks who rely on the buffs to run competitive "end game" content.

treborrealb14_ESO

12 hr daily campaign's there open 12 hrs then closed if you have all day to play good for you
then join a second 12hr daily campaign

simple

Ezareth

I'm leaving Thornblade and heading to Chillrend.

You guys can take back the map now.

Tintinabula

Funny how one apple thinks they're the whole orchard.;)

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

A buddy of mine who homes on TB tells me EP's pounding the bananas into pudding....so...action?

Tintinabula

Thornblade NA?...no,,theres a small time window where we hit two bar pop and we mow through them but generally they own everything.

LonePirate

EP crowned an Emperor on Thornblade a few minutes ago.

Tintinabula

wow...lets see how long it lasts. I have a theory on an AD run campaign. They will treat the map the way they treat arrius mine when they camp it.