RIP EP raid

Garion

RIP EP.



@ZOS imagine what we could do without an AOE cap . Where's the skill in zerg balling again, guys?

For context, this is the aftermath of a 7 man AD group (the Banana Squad) taking on a 24 man (and more, with pugs following) bomb group on Chillrend yesterday.

IKilled007

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Garion

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

Rylana

Man I know them feels.

Ran with a group of six all day yesterday, over 400 kills most of them on reds, a fair bit on blues trying to retake Aleswell after we ninjaed it with just the six of us.

That EP zerg is real, not to mention the lag it causes every time it rolls through.

Im starting to like zergbusting. Its pretty funny actually, when you can tell they are dumbfounded as to why the little group isnt dying and they are.

Security in numbers and all of that I suppose.

Been saying it for a long time now, Chillrend EP is the opposite of skilled, in any way. They rely purely on numbers to win in every fight, and the key to destroying them is to control their zerg camp placements. Their entire gameplan is about turtling in chalman and arrius until everyone logs out while burning unlimited camps in the northeast corner where they have 40+ people just spamming impulse behind the postern doors.

Ive literally watched them burn through three camps in 30 seconds before (sixty people died in 30 seconds, seriously?)

The most skilled player on their entire team is whoever is placing those camps, to be fair.

Even still, its a good way to take a ballista and rack up dozens of kills from red ants milling about terrified and confused as to why they are burning... O_o That and I have yet to see them adapt to oil on a flag. Too bad for every 20 you kill another 30 replace them and no matter what you do you eventually get wiped out due to sheer numbers.

its like WWI, just throw bodies at the german machine gunners until they run out of bullets, then overtake positions after all bullets are spent (everyone logs out). Only in this world, I guess soldiers are cheap labor or something, its like super mario with infinite lives for these guys.

hamon

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

i hear what your saying and agree about the aoe caps.... but tell me how did you achieve this 7 v 24? without becoming a bomb yourself? what your saying is our bombs better than that bomb. hardly something to be happy about.

Garion

hamon wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

i hear what your saying and agree about the aoe caps.... but tell me how did you achieve this 7 v 24? without becoming a bomb yourself? what your saying is our bombs better than that bomb. hardly something to be happy about.

I can tell you now that the group I play with do not bomb, so no I am not saying "my bomb group is better than your bomb group". In fact, we all despise that playstyle. Group composition when we wiped that raid was, IIRC, two sorcerer support players, two templar healers and 3 dd (two NBs and one DK, I think). No immovable, no barrier, no impulse spam. We don't blob up and bomb, we spread out and organise - using our class specific skills to synergise well as a group.

SeltzerDuke

Rylana wrote: »

Been saying it for a long time now, Chillrend EP is the opposite of skilled, in any way. They rely purely on numbers to win in every fight, and the key to destroying them is to control their zerg camp placements. Their entire gameplan is about turtling in chalman and arrius until everyone logs out while burning unlimited camps in the northeast corner where they have 40+ people just spamming impulse behind the postern doors.

OP's sig shows he is talking about EU Chillrend. There is already one thread for this endless nonsense, thanks.

Avidus

Good job on taking out a zerg.
But if we all SS and posted threads regarding zergs..

Well, there would be hundreds of threads a day.
Any organized and skilled group will have no trouble dispatching large numbers.

Garion

Avidus wrote: »

Good job on taking out a zerg.
But if we all SS and posted threads regarding zergs..

Well, there would be hundreds of threads a day.
Any organized and skilled group will have no trouble dispatching large numbers.

Point 1 - yes, but does everyone do it with just seven people? Point 2, as I stated above, it's more a statement about a need to remove the AOE cap so that more people can deal with these zerg balling (and not a normal zerg) groups.

bitaken

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

It's not the Blues you are talking about - you must be new to Chillrend.

Rylana wrote: »

Man I know them feels.



That EP zerg is real, not to mention the lag it causes every time it rolls through.

its like WWI, just throw bodies at the german machine gunners until they run out of bullets, then overtake positions after all bullets are spent (everyone logs out). Only in this world, I guess soldiers are cheap labor or something, its like super mario with infinite lives for these guys.

We were just saying the other night Ry - Feels like this server has a Stalingrad defense of EP. Only...they seem to have an unlimited amount of fodder. The empress is rather easy to deal with outside of tight spaces - but if you get caught in a tight space...well makes me - a sorcerer - want an AE cap on streak. 5 negates then permbats is just a little over the top.

Garion

bitaken wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

It's not the Blues you are talking about - you must be new to Chillrend.

Rylana wrote: »

Man I know them feels.



That EP zerg is real, not to mention the lag it causes every time it rolls through.

its like WWI, just throw bodies at the german machine gunners until they run out of bullets, then overtake positions after all bullets are spent (everyone logs out). Only in this world, I guess soldiers are cheap labor or something, its like super mario with infinite lives for these guys.

We were just saying the other night Ry - Feels like this server has a Stalingrad defense of EP. Only...they seem to have an unlimited amount of fodder. The empress is rather easy to deal with outside of tight spaces - but if you get caught in a tight space...well makes me - a sorcerer - want an AE cap on streak. 5 negates then permbats is just a little over the top.

I am EU.

Rune_Relic

Garion wrote: »

RIP EP.



@ZOS imagine what we could do without an AOE cap . Where's the skill in zerg balling again, guys?

For context, this is the aftermath of a 7 man AD group (the Banana Squad) taking on a 24 man (and more, with pugs following) bomb group on Chillrend yesterday.

More to the question.... do you need to remove an aoe cap if 7 players can take out 24 ?
You make a good case for L2P... but not a good one for removing aoe caps

Nice job on the 24 anyway.

LonePirate

Rylana wrote: »

Been saying it for a long time now, Chillrend EP is the opposite of skilled, in any way. They rely purely on numbers to win in every fight, and the key to destroying them is to control their zerg camp placements. Their entire gameplan is about turtling in chalman and arrius until everyone logs out while burning unlimited camps in the northeast corner where they have 40+ people just spamming impulse behind the postern doors.

And there is skill involved by dropping one of the bat swarm ultimates and spamming impulse like your faction does?

Skafsgaard

Garion wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

i hear what your saying and agree about the aoe caps.... but tell me how did you achieve this 7 v 24? without becoming a bomb yourself? what your saying is our bombs better than that bomb. hardly something to be happy about.

I can tell you now that the group I play with do not bomb, so no I am not saying "my bomb group is better than your bomb group". In fact, we all despise that playstyle. Group composition when we wiped that raid was, IIRC, two sorcerer support players, two templar healers and 3 dd (two NBs and one DK, I think). No immovable, no barrier, no impulse spam. We don't blob up and bomb, we spread out and organise - using our class specific skills to synergise well as a group.

Only really difference here (besides numbers) is group 1 stacks up in order to avoid damage and group 2 spreads out... clearly a group spreading most be miles more skilled?

When the objective is to avoid damage, as long as you obtain said objective, does it matter how? And as long as obtained I dont think its proper to speak of lack of skill.

If you think hiding a corner doing single target dps on a member on a bomb grp is MUCH more skill then something is wrong with your vision. I'll say again skill in this game is so limited and hear this BS just proves to me a point. Ppl always consider themselves better. Yes, there are noob trains - and gz you wiped them. Bombgrps wipe noobs 4-6 times their numbers on a daily basis.

You dont think a bomb group synergizes and do a lot of group organizing? Imo thats all skill left in the game, try to theorycraft with the lacking info we got.

hamon

Garion wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

7 on 24? Man, you guys got it easy. Try being DC on Thornblade. Our KDRs are in the 80s and we still get overwhelmed.

Got it easy?! We are AD on Chillrend!



See kill counter (top right corner) - and the blues STILL take every keep in the evening so they can keep their PvE buffs

In any event, it was more a statement on the current metagame and the over abundance of bomb groups :P

i hear what your saying and agree about the aoe caps.... but tell me how did you achieve this 7 v 24? without becoming a bomb yourself? what your saying is our bombs better than that bomb. hardly something to be happy about.

I can tell you now that the group I play with do not bomb, so no I am not saying "my bomb group is better than your bomb group". In fact, we all despise that playstyle. Group composition when we wiped that raid was, IIRC, two sorcerer support players, two templar healers and 3 dd (two NBs and one DK, I think). No immovable, no barrier, no impulse spam. We don't blob up and bomb, we spread out and organise - using our class specific skills to synergise well as a group.

i,m smelling a rat here. you dropped your UI for the pic so we coudlnt see how many were in your group. and your saying that 7 folk spread out took out a 24 man blob? how spread out could you be standing on a wall?sorry but i,m not buying it.

unless you were all standing with oil pots and the blob ran at you anyway.

Junipus

Yeah, I'd say this isn't all it seems to be.

Since I know this group is AD and there's a DC player within aggro range of a guard by the inner keep, it seems to be a DC keep which means the siege ring is likely to be from a DC weapon which would indicate that you had help in taking down that 24 man group from other players (either AD, or more likely DC) and not on your own.

Columba

LonePirate wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Been saying it for a long time now, Chillrend EP is the opposite of skilled, in any way. They rely purely on numbers to win in every fight, and the key to destroying them is to control their zerg camp placements. Their entire gameplan is about turtling in chalman and arrius until everyone logs out while burning unlimited camps in the northeast corner where they have 40+ people just spamming impulse behind the postern doors.

And there is skill involved by dropping one of the bat swarm ultimates and spamming impulse like your faction does?

touche.

themizario

LOL that lone DC probably wiped them and is waiting to regen before taking on the AD.

Sotha_Sil

The tabards on these pictures aren't the ones of my guild. We have seen you a lot guys and I understand why unexperienced players can get suprised. I just have a comment on behalf of the Pact.

We (- Fureur- ) - have a red tabard with a daedric kind of Z/F - usually come in and steamroll your group with one silence and one banner (did it again just 2hours ago on a camp tower where you were hiding). Boring. So graz on being the (only) AD guys annoying EP on Chillrend.

It's like you just play to keep us busy while your scrolls and castles are hold by DC. I just would like to know how do you feel proud of yourself knowing that ?

FYI, even though you are annoying as hell, we still manage to wipe your group and take scrolls from DC every night we are raiding. So if you are so skilled and killing whole raids well... maybe it's about time you level up and show you can do something else than put some oils and make traps for newbies.

themdogesbite

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

The tabards on these pictures aren't the ones of my guild. We have seen you a lot guys and I understand why unexperienced players can get suprised. I just have a comment on behalf of the Pact.

We (- Fureur- ) - have a red tabard with a daedric kind of Z/F - usually come in and steamroll your group with one silence and one banner (did it again just 2hours ago on a camp tower where you were hiding). Boring. So graz on being the (only) AD guys annoying EP on Chillrend.

It's like you just play to keep us busy while your scrolls and castles are hold by DC. I just would like to know how do you feel proud of yourself knowing that ?

FYI, even though you are annoying as hell, we still manage to wipe your group and take scrolls from DC every night we are raiding. So if you are so skilled and killing whole raids well... maybe it's about time you level up and show you can do something else than put some oils and make traps for newbies.

Wait, so what you are saying is that you have killed a 7 - 8 man group with 24+ players? What a accomplishment!

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Garion wrote: »

RIP EP.



@ZOS imagine what we could do without an AOE cap . Where's the skill in zerg balling again, guys?

For context, this is the aftermath of a 7 man AD group (the Banana Squad) taking on a 24 man (and more, with pugs following) bomb group on Chillrend yesterday.

Sick brag. I remember when I had my first beer.

Sotha_Sil

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so what you are saying is that you have killed a 7 - 8 man group with 24+ players? What a accomplishment!

That's not my point. My point is they come here bragging about how skilled they are when they just do nothing on the campaign and AD is dying like hell on Chillrend and all they do is camping towers with oils. That's the kind of accomplishment that is worth knowing. They just ignore the metagame of ESO but nevermind.

If you are on AD and fine with it, well keep saying they do a great job.

Tavore1138

Those yellow guys are class, we had a DC/EP back and forth battle going for a while in the outer bailey of a keep, they just rolled in and ran around killing all comers for some time... really forced both other teams to get organised.

Normally I can break through most defences with my attacks but they way the supported each other was epic!

themdogesbite

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so what you are saying is that you have killed a 7 - 8 man group with 24+ players? What a accomplishment!

That's not my point. My point is they come here bragging about how skilled they are when they just do nothing on the campaign and AD is dying like hell on Chillrend and all they do is camping towers with oils. That's the kind of accomplishment that is worth knowing. They just ignore the metagame of ESO but nevermind.

If you are on AD and fine with it, well keep saying they do a great job.

Care to enlighten me how exploiting AoE caps is more skillfull?

Sotha_Sil

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so what you are saying is that you have killed a 7 - 8 man group with 24+ players? What a accomplishment!

That's not my point. My point is they come here bragging about how skilled they are when they just do nothing on the campaign and AD is dying like hell on Chillrend and all they do is camping towers with oils. That's the kind of accomplishment that is worth knowing. They just ignore the metagame of ESO but nevermind.

If you are on AD and fine with it, well keep saying they do a great job.

Care to enlighten me how exploiting AoE caps is more skillfull?

You don't get it ? do you ? I am not talking about Aoe stuff or criticizing the fact they are 7 or whatever. I am just saying Cyrodiil is not just about doing some kills. It's also about getting camps and defending your side -scrolls and/or emperor which seems like these guys don't even try to do. I don't know how I can explain it clearer to you.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Those yellow guys are class, we had a DC/EP back and forth battle going for a while in the outer bailey of a keep, they just rolled in and ran around killing all comers for some time... really forced both other teams to get organised.

Normally I can break through most defences with my attacks but they way the supported each other was epic!

Lol. Friends.

wllstrt75b14_ESO

What I find humorous is the endless supply of vampires on AD side on thornblade NA.

I can kill 10 with one dawnbreaker and still die in seconds cause the AD zerg is filled with bat swarming [snip]. Its funny watching them roll up on a keep push in then when their swarm finishes they all die like nubs.

I'm not sure how this is on other campaigns but that's all DC and AD use on Thronblade it seems. AD more so then DC. I just wish EP sorcerers knew what negate was and used it when these zergs roll threw would save a trouble.

If it wasn't for DC and AD tag teaming us and AD's obvious number advantage EP might have stood a chance.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content.

Garion

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Wait, so what you are saying is that you have killed a 7 - 8 man group with 24+ players? What a accomplishment!

That's not my point. My point is they come here bragging about how skilled they are when they just do nothing on the campaign and AD is dying like hell on Chillrend and all they do is camping towers with oils. That's the kind of accomplishment that is worth knowing. They just ignore the metagame of ESO but nevermind.

If you are on AD and fine with it, well keep saying they do a great job.

Care to enlighten me how exploiting AoE caps is more skillfull?

You don't get it ? do you ? I am not talking about Aoe stuff or criticizing the fact they are 7 or whatever. I am just saying Cyrodiil is not just about doing some kills. It's also about getting camps and defending your side -scrolls and/or emperor which seems like these guys don't even try to do. I don't know how I can explain it clearer to you.

Saw killed you again last night, at least once. Hai.

driosketch

LonePirate wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Been saying it for a long time now, Chillrend EP is the opposite of skilled, in any way. They rely purely on numbers to win in every fight, and the key to destroying them is to control their zerg camp placements. Their entire gameplan is about turtling in chalman and arrius until everyone logs out while burning unlimited camps in the northeast corner where they have 40+ people just spamming impulse behind the postern doors.

And there is skill involved by dropping one of the bat swarm ultimates and spamming impulse like your faction does?

To be fair, all the factions do this. I can't even tell which bat swarms are ours, and which are theirs.

aclarkob14_ESO

I miss EP (Chillrend - US)

Observant

EP's problem is simply ego. Once they decide to follow the crown and quit comparing *** size in /zone, then and only then will we stop being the AP farming source for the bananas and blueberries.

ETA I'm amazed that p.enis is censored considering this game is rated Mature