NB tactics against high survival builds.

jelliedsoup

My entire build is based around sneaking and doing as much damage as possible and disappearing.

With many builds now they can self heal and wipe my initial attack DMG off. Then I'm out in the open, and in open1v1 my NB will usually die.

What do other NBS do in these situations? Is it the curse of nb or are there actual options here? I use shadowy disguise to get away but will often not have too much magicka after my opening salvo.

kitsinni

Sometimes you can get them back down far enough to use Soul Tether and get them down with a couple impales but that takes a bit of luck and great timing. Other than that you are pretty much out of luck.

Jaxom

Depending on how far I got them down and the class, I will 1. continue to fight to the death in hopes to win or 2. Roll dodge (with bow for extra speed boost) and pop mist form to speed away like Sir Robin.

Xnemesis

In and out NBs are good I would recommend a summon shades, cloak/conceal them a couple of times after they burn their stamina, then use reapers mark and then Killers blade spam for a total heal of around 2700. 600 or so heal from killers blade and a 2100 heal from reapers(based on a 3500 health pool iirc).

I would shades them conceal myself let them fight it out for a bit and let the burn their stamina by blocking, then go in and surprise attack them from stealth a few times until they hit 25%, then I mark them and execute!

Alebelly_FotN

I bring friends lol. The shields and resend are just crazy

Nestor

jelliedsoup wrote: »

What do other NBS do in these situations?

Not a PvP'er, but in PvE with Bosses, I run my Shield Charge on my bar and use that to stun them on the spell. Unless I am standing next to them and can bash. Of course this requires 1H/S unless there is another skill line that has this.

Bow has another Stun the caster skill, actually two, one that knocks back and one that stuns.

ItsMeToo

I don't care if I die. I'm already undead.

Nihili

I like this thread. It's something I have some trouble with too. I have one piece advice and it's not really a "tip". The best advice I can give you is to change your build to a high survivability build too. NB's are really good with a rest staff and it helps in the lengthy fights.

But I don't really want to change my build either - I'm running a high-damage crit build as well, which if it doesn't kill you quickly leaves me pretty vulnerable. I'd say have a couple of good potions with you that give you more crit, and a couple more potions that help you escape so that if things go south you can get away, recuperate and try again later.

Maybe someone else can give better advice?

Xnemesis

Nihili wrote: »

I like this thread. It's something I have some trouble with too. I have one piece advice and it's not really a "tip". The best advice I can give you is to change your build to a high survivability build too. NB's are really good with a rest staff and it helps in the lengthy fights.

But I don't really want to change my build either - I'm running a high-damage crit build as well, which if it doesn't kill you quickly leaves me pretty vulnerable. I'd say have a couple of good potions with you that give you more crit, and a couple more potions that help you escape so that if things go south you can get away, recuperate and try again later.

Maybe someone else can give better advice?

Don't stat for crit since most pvpers now run with impen traits on 4 pieces. I would go for max weapon power and spell power depending on build type and then any type of unresistable damage glyphs for your weapons.

However If you mainly PvE then you will be fine stacking crit.

glitchmaster999

I use a two hander which usually lets me burst someone before they can heal, start with wrecking blow out of sneak which mine hits for almost 2k followed by crit rush and finish with execute, if you can get that off, usually everyone will die in one go

Durham

jelliedsoup wrote: »

My entire build is based around sneaking and doing as much damage as possible and disappearing.

With many builds now they can self heal and wipe my initial attack DMG off. Then I'm out in the open, and in open1v1 my NB will usually die.

What do other NBS do in these situations? Is it the curse of nb or are there actual options here? I use shadowy disguise to get away but will often not have too much magicka after my opening salvo.

You restealth and attack again... this should be the minority of the time..

heyguyslol

jelliedsoup wrote: »

My entire build is based around sneaking and doing as much damage as possible and disappearing.

With many builds now they can self heal and wipe my initial attack DMG off. Then I'm out in the open, and in open1v1 my NB will usually die.

What do other NBS do in these situations? Is it the curse of nb or are there actual options here? I use shadowy disguise to get away but will often not have too much magicka after my opening salvo.

Learn to use shades = kill your opponents stamina = dead. NB are fine u just need to build properly and L2P.

Tankqull

sword´n´board+siponing attacks and take the long route. would be another option.

Tavore1138

We NBs are designed to hit hard and kill quickly, in a prolonged fight with a decent player we are going to get hurt but you can mitigate that without resorting to dress & stick.

Carry potions! Proper crafted ones. Eat Food! High level purple food.

Roll out twice and pop the one that gives invisibility, health & cc immunity and regroup.

Or... keep an incapacitating strike in the bank, stun them with it when they are back to high health, then either pop a heal all stats potion and punish them or flee.

Don't bother with cloak, it is buggy and chances are by the time you need it you either won't have magic or you'll be taking dots.

If you dual wield respect the flying blade, snare can be your friend either attacking or fleeing.

Have a fast horse with a bit of stamina

You will still die to good players of the stronger builds but you'll have fun when you win too.

Aeratus

Durham wrote: »

I have one piece advice and it's not really a "tip". The best advice I can give you is to change your build to a high survivability build too. NB's are really good with a rest staff and it helps in the lengthy fights.

That's right. Nothing prevents you from making your own high survivability build.

Here's a good video that someone made to illustrate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3855ByW4E

Dekkameron

I have an assortment of nightblades. but the one i pvp most with is one of those silly stick weilding skirt wearers. I whack on siphoning strikes and spam Funnel health and crippling grasp with the odd resto staff heavy attack .

PBpsy

Dark clock and get the hell away from them if the situation seems slightly crappy . There are plenty of fish in Tamriel. Always avoid tunnel vision, it is much more rewarding in the end. The greatest pleasure I get from playing my NB is knowing that I am almost as annoying as a BE sorc.
PS. Of course I am using light 5-Seducer +5-Warlock so I can chain cloak from one end of the map to the other.

Dekkameron

Aeratus wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

I have one piece advice and it's not really a "tip". The best advice I can give you is to change your build to a high survivability build too. NB's are really good with a rest staff and it helps in the lengthy fights.

That's right. Nothing prevents you from making your own high survivability build.

Here's a good video that someone made to illustrate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3855ByW4E

So many of those fights you could've won far quicker if you spammed impale when they were under 30%. Just sayin' is all

Erock25

Do what this guy does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39wGRTFtfA

Aeratus

PBpsy wrote: »

Dark clock and get the hell away from them if the situation seems slightly crappy . There are plenty of fish in Tamriel. Always avoid tunnel vision, it is much more rewarding in the end. The greatest pleasure I get from playing my NB is knowing that I am almost as annoying as a BE sorc.
PS. Of course I am using light 5-Seducer +5-Warlock so I can chain cloak from one end of the map to the other.

That's why I'm happy to be a light armor resto/shield NB with higher survivability than those of stealth builds. Stealth builds can't easily take me on in open combat, while I can just use piercing mark on stealthers who might try to cloak out of the battle. If they try to run away with the piercing mark still on them, I just spam them down using funnel health.

TheBull

Just sucks other classes have a button for survivability. NBs need to develop concepts.

edit- I'll ad a build I've used to some success. Stam build, DW.

rapid strikes
degeneration
swallow soul
blood craze
Dark Cloak

Soul Tether

NakedSnake

Is there even a difference between caster, heal, and stealth burst. If you are a nighblade in dress and stick you are all using the same swallow/ concealed/ cloak build or some variation.

PBpsy

NakedSnake wrote: »

Is there even a difference between caster, heal, and stealth burst. If you are a nighblade in dress and stick you are all using the same swallow/ concealed/ cloak build or some variation.

Just like 90% of stamina builds NBs or 97% of the pvp NBs use the same lame ass Snipe and poison arrow spamming combo?

Aeratus

NakedSnake wrote: »

Is there even a difference between caster, heal, and stealth burst. If you are a nighblade in dress and stick you are all using the same swallow/ concealed/ cloak build or some variation.

Yes, there is a large difference. Casters tend to stack spell damage rather than weapon crit. So casters don't have the critical strike capability that stamina stealth builds do, although spell damage improves teleport strike. Also, casters usually don't use bow, which means they can't stealth attack at long range.

Also, casters primarily rely on funnel health (strife) for most of the damage (just like they do as dps in PVE trials), whereas stamina builds do not rely on strife in the same way.

TheAmu

TheBull wrote: »

Just sucks other classes have a button for survivability. NBs need to develop concepts.

That's what I love about the NB though.

There may be greater synergy in the skill trees of all the other classes, but the NB has greater potential for unique and intriguing builds.

Anyone looking for help only has to search NB builds. There are plenty of videos on youtube and plenty of posts here on the forums and all of them will have you convinced their build is the best.

It can be daunting and confusing, but the only way you'll find what works for you really is by experimentation.

NakedSnake

Aeratus wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Is there even a difference between caster, heal, and stealth burst. If you are a nighblade in dress and stick you are all using the same swallow/ concealed/ cloak build or some variation.

Yes, there is a large difference. Casters tend to stack spell damage rather than weapon crit. So casters don't have the critical strike capability that stamina stealth builds do, although spell damage improves teleport strike. Also, casters usually don't use bow, which means they can't stealth attack at long range.

Also, casters primarily rely on funnel health (strife) for most of the damage (just like they do as dps in PVE trials), whereas stamina builds do not rely on strife in the same way.

Not true. A lot of casters stack spell crit and you don't need weapon crit if you are only stealth bursting. If you have a clue you are running dress and stick and if you are not focused in AOE then you are using resto...IE if resto chances are you have at least one heal on one of your bars besides funnel which is mandatory as a nighblade. Quite frankly any nightblade who plays solely as melee is simply doing so for aesthetic reasons and any pvper without at least one ranged skill is doing it wrong.

Aeratus

NakedSnake wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

NakedSnake wrote: »

Is there even a difference between caster, heal, and stealth burst. If you are a nighblade in dress and stick you are all using the same swallow/ concealed/ cloak build or some variation.

Yes, there is a large difference. Casters tend to stack spell damage rather than weapon crit. So casters don't have the critical strike capability that stamina stealth builds do, although spell damage improves teleport strike. Also, casters usually don't use bow, which means they can't stealth attack at long range.

Also, casters primarily rely on funnel health (strife) for most of the damage (just like they do as dps in PVE trials), whereas stamina builds do not rely on strife in the same way.

Not true. A lot of casters stack spell crit and you don't need weapon crit if you are only stealth bursting. If you have a clue you are running dress and stick and if you are not focused in AOE then you are using resto...IE if resto chances are you have at least one heal on one of your bars besides funnel which is mandatory as a nighblade. Quite frankly any nightblade who plays solely as melee is simply doing so for aesthetic reasons and any pvper without at least one ranged skill is doing it wrong.

I meant to write that casters generally don't stack the type of crit for melee class skills like teleport strike (which use weapon crit rather than spell crit) so their crit rating for these skills are usually lower than of stamina builds. Sorry that it doesn't get written the way I had intended.