A suggestion on Dieties

Zarman · August 2014

1 Azura
2 Boethiah
3 Clavicus Vile
4 Hermaeus Mora
5 Hircine
6 Jyggalag - as of end of 3rd era
7 Malacath
8 Mehrunes Dagon
9 Mephala
10 Meridia
11 Molag Bal
12 Namira
13 Nocturnal
14 Peryite
15 Sanguine
16 Sheogorath
17 Vaermina
18 Lorkhan - Possible, Mankar Camoran claims Lorkhan is a Prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

k9mouse · August 2014

Over all I like this idea, -- having a NPC send the players out on quest(s) for their God. The Blessing and Miracle rewards sounds cool, we might run into more balancing issues with buffs and more damage spells.

I do not like the idea of yet even more pets that take up inv space or tail / weapon clipping cloaks. May be one of a kind armor set if we do all 7 parts of the quest instead? (one part of the armor set per quest)

It will be a BIG content:
16 Daedric Prince x 7quests = 112 quests x 3 factions = 336 Total Quests
8 Divines x 7 quests = 56 quests x 3 factions = 168 Total Quests
Sithis will be cover in the Dark Brother content.

For grand total of quests of 504 quests to do. Yeah, that will take a while...

AlexDougherty · August 2014

Zarman wrote: »

18 Lorkhan - Possible, Mankar Camoran claims Lorkhan is a Prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

Lorkhan is/was worshipped by the Altmer, he has a shirine at the ruined temple of the eight in the AD campaign, Which implies he's an Aedra.

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k9mouse wrote: »

Over all I like this idea, -- having a NPC send the players out on quest(s) for their God. The Blessing and Miracle rewards sounds cool, we might run into more balancing issues with buffs and more damage spells.

I do not like the idea of yet even more pets that take up inv space or tail / weapon clipping cloaks. May be one of a kind armor set if we do all 7 parts of the quest instead? (one part of the armor set per quest)

It will be a BIG content:
16 Daedric Prince x 7quests = 112 quests x 3 factions = 336 Total Quests
8 Divines x 7 quests = 56 quests x 3 factions = 168 Total Quests
Sithis will be cover in the Dark Brother content.

For grand total of quests of 504 quests to do. Yeah, that will take a while...

There are more than eight divines, the eight were a cherry-picked selection my Tiber Septim. The Nords alone have more than eight deities, and do the Elves. Add Redguard Pantheon, and the Khajiit deities (the ones who aren't elven gods) and it's a much bigger figure.

You would probably have to combine the Divines into Pantheons, and have a few more quests for their side to balance it out.

Zarman · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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Zarman wrote: »

18 Lorkhan - Possible, Mankar Camoran claims Lorkhan is a Prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

Lorkhan is/was worshipped by the Altmer, he has a shirine at the ruined temple of the eight in the AD campaign, Which implies he's an Aedra.

With the stuff hes done, betraying the other Aedra and all that its pretty safe to assume he should be called Daedra prince now.

Also
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Et'Ada

Theres the biggest list i can find when it comes to the "Gods" of ESO

SFBryan18 · August 2014

Zarman wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

Zarman wrote: »

18 Lorkhan - Possible, Mankar Camoran claims Lorkhan is a Prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

Lorkhan is/was worshipped by the Altmer, he has a shirine at the ruined temple of the eight in the AD campaign, Which implies he's an Aedra.

With the stuff hes done, betraying the other Aedra and all that its pretty safe to assume he should be called Daedra prince now.

Also
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Et'Ada

Theres the biggest list i can find when it comes to the "Gods" of ESO

He's not a Daedric prince.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lorkhan

BBSooner · August 2014

Zarman wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

Zarman wrote: »

18 Lorkhan - Possible, Mankar Camoran claims Lorkhan is a Prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

Lorkhan is/was worshipped by the Altmer, he has a shirine at the ruined temple of the eight in the AD campaign, Which implies he's an Aedra.

With the stuff hes done, betraying the other Aedra and all that its pretty safe to assume he should be called Daedra prince now.

Also
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Et'Ada

Theres the biggest list i can find when it comes to the "Gods" of ESO

Aedra is simply the difference between whether they had a hand in creating mundus or not - aedra being 'yes' and daedra being 'no'. It doesn't have anything to do with character or morality (though Lorkhan "betraying" the 8 is a bit far, I subscribe to Auri-El just being upset to having been reduced as a consequence).

Also, since a defining feature of "daedra" being immortal is kind of absent seeing as how Lorkhan is dead - to be mantled by Talos (depending on which source you believe).

Rosveen · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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k9mouse wrote: »

Over all I like this idea, -- having a NPC send the players out on quest(s) for their God. The Blessing and Miracle rewards sounds cool, we might run into more balancing issues with buffs and more damage spells.

I do not like the idea of yet even more pets that take up inv space or tail / weapon clipping cloaks. May be one of a kind armor set if we do all 7 parts of the quest instead? (one part of the armor set per quest)

It will be a BIG content:
16 Daedric Prince x 7quests = 112 quests x 3 factions = 336 Total Quests
8 Divines x 7 quests = 56 quests x 3 factions = 168 Total Quests
Sithis will be cover in the Dark Brother content.

For grand total of quests of 504 quests to do. Yeah, that will take a while...

There are more than eight divines, the eight were a cherry-picked selection my Tiber Septim by Alessia.

Fixed it for you.

UrQuan · August 2014

Zarman wrote: »

With the stuff hes done, betraying the other Aedra and all that its pretty safe to assume he should be called Daedra prince now.

No, the difference between Daedra and Aedra is that the Aedra sacrificed some of their essence/power to help create Mundus, while the Daedra didn't. No matter what Lorkhan did after the creation of Mundus, he can't go from being Aedra to being Daedra.

Innkwell_ESO · August 2014

And this is why devs only reply to the softest of posts.
People get into an argument and completely miss the point of the entire thing... and in the process derail any additional creativity or discussion on the topic.

Thanks

gurluasb16_ESO · August 2014

UrQuan wrote: »

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Zarman wrote: »

With the stuff hes done, betraying the other Aedra and all that its pretty safe to assume he should be called Daedra prince now.

No, the difference between Daedra and Aedra is that the Aedra sacrificed some of their essence/power to help create Mundus, while the Daedra didn't. No matter what Lorkhan did after the creation of Mundus, he can't go from being Aedra to being Daedra.

By that definition Magnus is a Daedra, that or Meridia is an Aedra.
So it's a bit more less black and white than that.

AlexDougherty · August 2014

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Over all I like this idea, -- having a NPC send the players out on quest(s) for their God. The Blessing and Miracle rewards sounds cool, we might run into more balancing issues with buffs and more damage spells.

I do not like the idea of yet even more pets that take up inv space or tail / weapon clipping cloaks. May be one of a kind armor set if we do all 7 parts of the quest instead? (one part of the armor set per quest)

It will be a BIG content:
16 Daedric Prince x 7quests = 112 quests x 3 factions = 336 Total Quests
8 Divines x 7 quests = 56 quests x 3 factions = 168 Total Quests
Sithis will be cover in the Dark Brother content.

For grand total of quests of 504 quests to do. Yeah, that will take a while...

There are more than eight divines, the eight were a cherry-picked selection my Tiber Septim by Alessia.

Fixed it for you.

Wrong, changing the words does not change the LORE, tiber septim cherry-picked the best deities out of the Elven and Nord pantheons to form the eight, Alessia still worshipped the Elven Pantheon.

Which isn't that weird, because while she killed a lot of elves, she also spared most of them, provided they freed their slaves and stayed outr of politics/ruling.

But anyway it was Tiber Septim that selected the Eight, it was a political move to secure his empire, and it worked..... Until Mehrunes Dagon killed all but one of his descendents, invaded Mundus (mortal plane of Tamriel), and forced the last remaining Septim to sacrifice himself. (which in turn gave the Thalmor the opportunity to plot)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

AlexDougherty · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

Sithis while ascribed to the void is actually chaos incarnate, he just wants change, constant change, he is unphased by questions of morality, since morality is a byproduct of order.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

Sithis while ascribed to the void is actually chaos incarnate, he just wants change, constant change, he is unphased by questions of morality, since morality is a byproduct of order.

hmm, but the void itself is in fact ordered inasmuch as it is uniformly composed of nothing.

So that doesn't make sense.

AlexDougherty · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

Sithis while ascribed to the void is actually chaos incarnate, he just wants change, constant change, he is unphased by questions of morality, since morality is a byproduct of order.

hmm, but the void itself is in fact ordered inasmuch as it is uniformly composed of nothing.

So that doesn't make sense.

True, I think much of the lore about Sithis is contradictory, but mostly I don't think the Void he represents is the one we are thinking about.

I think Sithis's void is the Primal chaos that devoures all, because anything in it it changed so much it ceases to be. Existance itself is a form of constance, and he can not bear anyform of order, not even the most basic.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

Sithis while ascribed to the void is actually chaos incarnate, he just wants change, constant change, he is unphased by questions of morality, since morality is a byproduct of order.

hmm, but the void itself is in fact ordered inasmuch as it is uniformly composed of nothing.

So that doesn't make sense.

True, I think much of the lore about Sithis is contradictory, but mostly I don't think the Void he represents is the one we are thinking about.

I think Sithis's void is the Primal chaos that devoures all, because anything in it it changed so much it ceases to be. Existance itself is a form of constance, and he can not bear anyform of order, not even the most basic.

then why does he so desire the deaths of mortals? Wouldn't he be better served to twist them into weird and random things to enact change on them?

AlexDougherty · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I thought Lorkhan was dead, making him nothing as of now.

Sithis on the other hand IS nothing, while there is a lot of different lore about him, I subscribe to the lore that he is nothingness, the void, what have you. Therefore, he is neither aedra nor daedra or even a he or she. Sithis is the absence of all things.

That does make me wonder though, how is Lucien Lachance able to serve him even after his death?

Sithis while ascribed to the void is actually chaos incarnate, he just wants change, constant change, he is unphased by questions of morality, since morality is a byproduct of order.

hmm, but the void itself is in fact ordered inasmuch as it is uniformly composed of nothing.

So that doesn't make sense.

True, I think much of the lore about Sithis is contradictory, but mostly I don't think the Void he represents is the one we are thinking about.

I think Sithis's void is the Primal chaos that devoures all, because anything in it it changed so much it ceases to be. Existance itself is a form of constance, and he can not bear anyform of order, not even the most basic.

then why does he so desire the deaths of mortals? Wouldn't he be better served to twist them into weird and random things to enact change on them?

Now there you've got me, no idea.

Zarman · August 2014

According to the wiki sithis just wants to return the entire universe to the void.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Sithis_(Deity)

Spoiler

Hail Sithis

Pseudonym · August 2014

It should also be noted that the Aedra have a lot less power than the Daedra. They used their powers creating Nirn, and can no longer even manifest themselves physically.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

Pseudonym wrote: »

It should also be noted that the Aedra have a lot less power than the Daedra. They used their powers creating Nirn, and can no longer even manifest themselves physically.

they can also be killed iirc

HeroOfNone · February 2015

Referenced and borrowed some ideas into another thread:
Suggestion: ESO arenas to serve your Daedric Princes and Aedric Lords