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Stealth/invisibility and NB

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  • lathbury
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    Still? Ok will check back later ty for the update
  • Piedplat
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    lathbury wrote: »
    Still? Ok will check back later ty for the update
    The update is the same since beta.

    Still waiting...
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  • Thudunblundur
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    It seems that DOTs on you break you out of Invis. Shadowy disguise doesn't remove dots where Dark Cloak does. I use Dark cloak and rarely have problems with Invisibility breaking.

    I suspect that a few other things break Invis as well - gas attacks can in some cases, for example ( I was fighting Welwa in Craglorn and noticed it break a few times with them)

    If these are intended effects I have no problem with them - fine with me if pouring blood or having a sneezing or choking fit makes you detectable. The difficulty I have is I don't know if they are an intended effect or a bug.
  • Stannum
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    The problem is that any DoT you do break invis
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  • Cody
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    BOTH forms of cloak are still broken. heck, iv had dark cloak break in PvE! if it breaks in PvE, how the heck can I use it in PvP? answer: I can't.

    It should not break from every tiny bit of damage. that REALLY annoys me. even your own DoTs break you out. it came to the point a month back that I almost replaced it with something else. they need to fix it. stop adding broken grind zones and fix our abilities!
  • Cody
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    Vizier wrote: »
    It seems that DOTs on you break you out of Invis. Shadowy disguise doesn't remove dots where Dark Cloak does. I use Dark cloak and rarely have problems with Invisibility breaking...

    I use Dark Cloak and am constantly getting popped out of cloak so that I have to spam it every .5 seconds on a regular basis to have any chance of getting out of a sticky situation. Half the time that doesn't work. Additionally it's not removing the number of effects it is supposed to. From what I can tell it only removes one and even that much of the time.

    Shadow Cloak and it's morphed forms IS broken. It's still somewhat useful in that it works out about 1/2 the time but with added magicka cost due to the need to spam it.

    Shadow Cloak should have advantage over stealth in that it doesn't pop merely for taking a little damage like from Calthrops. It has a considerable magicka cost for the limited time it can be used And it should never be hampered or inhibited by the NB's own abilities. Heals, swallow soul, path of darkness shouldn't interfere in anyway with Shadow Cloak.

    that said it is unclear as to exactly what is the problem with SC since there are so many possibilities at this point as to what interferes with SC.

    they just need to make cloak not break from damage, make it undetectable by potions and magelight, fix it to where it wont break half the dang time, and make its intended effects actually work. if they wont do that, they need to reduce the magicka cost by a ton. If I have to spam a 2 and a half second invisibility spell over and over again just to make it work, it may as well be cheap to cast.

    heck, there is no real reason to use cloak as things are now. The invisibility potions make you invisible for longer,they don't bug out, and can be bought by the 100s. you could say "but cloak has special morph abilities" well... those kinda don't work. I don't think iv ever noticed any criticals from shadowy disguise.
  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    Cody wrote: »
    heck, there is no real reason to use cloak as things are now. The invisibility potions make you invisible for longer,they don't bug out, and can be bought by the 100s. you could say "but cloak has special morph abilities" well... those kinda don't work. I don't think iv ever noticed any criticals from shadowy disguise.

    While I agree with most of what you wrote... I dont agree with the shadowy disguise not providing crit. That part works quite reliably for me. Get Combat Cloud and set it up so that crits are shown in a different color - red for example. You'll see.
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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    Yup, this one is still waiting for Shadow Cloak (and it's Morph's) to be fixed.

    It has only been like 5 months, give or take since the game went live with early access.

    For the Nighblade, this should be the number one, "1", thing that ZOS should be working on to be fixed now in this class. Either Fix it or lower the Magicka cost to like a third.

    Imagine if the DK's Green Dragon Blood ability failed to heal the DK like less than half the time, think of all the screams and yells this would get if it went on for like 5 months, this would be the equivalent to the Nightblades Shadow Cloak not working. Welcome to our world.

    So as a Avid Gamer of ESO and lover of the Nightblade class (I have three Nightblade Characters), and a customer who buys a 6 month sub, and will buy another, ZOS please fix this.

    PS- After this is fixed, ZOS will only need to fix the Stamina / Magicka imbalance in the game and then more than likely I will never complain ever again. I will be one satisfied and happy customer. :smiley:
    Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on August 31, 2014 10:52PM
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  • Cody
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    Cody wrote: »
    heck, there is no real reason to use cloak as things are now. The invisibility potions make you invisible for longer,they don't bug out, and can be bought by the 100s. you could say "but cloak has special morph abilities" well... those kinda don't work. I don't think iv ever noticed any criticals from shadowy disguise.

    While I agree with most of what you wrote... I dont agree with the shadowy disguise not providing crit. That part works quite reliably for me. Get Combat Cloud and set it up so that crits are shown in a different color - red for example. You'll see.

    then the critical damage must not be very much.
  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    Cody wrote: »
    Cody wrote: »
    heck, there is no real reason to use cloak as things are now. The invisibility potions make you invisible for longer,they don't bug out, and can be bought by the 100s. you could say "but cloak has special morph abilities" well... those kinda don't work. I don't think iv ever noticed any criticals from shadowy disguise.

    While I agree with most of what you wrote... I dont agree with the shadowy disguise not providing crit. That part works quite reliably for me. Get Combat Cloud and set it up so that crits are shown in a different color - red for example. You'll see.

    then the critical damage must not be very much.

    AFAIK its 50% not counting any passives or a mundus stone.
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  • R0M2K
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    Cody wrote: »
    Vizier wrote: »
    It seems that DOTs on you break you out of Invis. Shadowy disguise doesn't remove dots where Dark Cloak does. I use Dark cloak and rarely have problems with Invisibility breaking...

    I use Dark Cloak and am constantly getting popped out of cloak so that I have to spam it every .5 seconds on a regular basis to have any chance of getting out of a sticky situation. Half the time that doesn't work. Additionally it's not removing the number of effects it is supposed to. From what I can tell it only removes one and even that much of the time.

    Shadow Cloak and it's morphed forms IS broken. It's still somewhat useful in that it works out about 1/2 the time but with added magicka cost due to the need to spam it.

    Shadow Cloak should have advantage over stealth in that it doesn't pop merely for taking a little damage like from Calthrops. It has a considerable magicka cost for the limited time it can be used And it should never be hampered or inhibited by the NB's own abilities. Heals, swallow soul, path of darkness shouldn't interfere in anyway with Shadow Cloak.

    that said it is unclear as to exactly what is the problem with SC since there are so many possibilities at this point as to what interferes with SC.

    they just need to make cloak not break from damage, make it undetectable by potions and magelight, fix it to where it wont break half the dang time, and make its intended effects actually work. if they wont do that, they need to reduce the magicka cost by a ton. If I have to spam a 2 and a half second invisibility spell over and over again just to make it work, it may as well be cheap to cast.

    heck, there is no real reason to use cloak as things are now. The invisibility potions make you invisible for longer,they don't bug out, and can be bought by the 100s. you could say "but cloak has special morph abilities" well... those kinda don't work. I don't think iv ever noticed any criticals from shadowy disguise.

    Agree.
  • qiyamatawilrwb17_ESO
    The problem is that any DoT you do break invis

    agreed. from what i have seen snares on your target will break ur cloak.
    try a kynes flight set. u can manage stealth between kills (before you attack the next target) but it really doesnt feel like it should be happening.
    its wasted magicka just to try.
  • Kego
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    Any news for a fix @zos_abigailT ?
    I look at Patch 1.4 and still can't see a fix for a major Bug of a complete class!
  • CapuchinSeven
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    Kego wrote: »
    Any news for a fix @zos_abigailT ?
    I look at Patch 1.4 and still can't see a fix for a major Bug of a complete class!

    Nah I don't think we'll see anything, I've pretty much stated elsewhere that I'm going to kill my sub if there isn't some sort of fix for unbreakable CC in the next major patch but Dark Cloak is up there as well, we had a small mention about it 3 months ago and that's been the end of it.

    It USED to work, I don't understand what's going on, can we get some sort of feed back? Is this intended and the way it's meant to be, if so actually letting us know that might help.
  • Nestor
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    I use Invisibility skill and it works for me. As soon as I cast it, the enemies stop hitting me, and even go out of combat. This allows me to reposition myself, or even go into Sneak to get nice critical off. I can also use it to sneak closer to an enemy to get off a sneak critical melee attack.

    I also use it to give me a boost in protection from the passives that buff when coming out of sneak. I don' think it gives a critical just from using it though, although it seems to be a nice 1-2 combo with Hidden Blade.
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  • CapuchinSeven
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    Nestor wrote: »
    I use Invisibility skill and it works for me. As soon as I cast it, the enemies stop hitting me, and even go out of combat. This allows me to reposition myself, or even go into Sneak to get nice critical off. I can also use it to sneak closer to an enemy to get off a sneak critical melee attack.

    I also use it to give me a boost in protection from the passives that buff when coming out of sneak. I don' think it gives a critical just from using it though, although it seems to be a nice 1-2 combo with Hidden Blade.

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  • Nestor
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    Vizier wrote: »
    @Nestor‌

    It's a PvP / Cyrodiil thing. There are times when Shadow Cloak doesn't work on ai either. They keep attacking despite having gone into cloak and actually follow you around.

    Ahh, that would suck then. As I said, it's a pretty powerful skill in PvE and it not working as intended in PvP would be a bad thing.

    Although I tend to use it more lately to sneak past things like Gargoyles. I killed enough to know I can beat them, so it gets kind of academic to fight them over and over again. I would rather fight 3/4 mobs, those are more fun.

    Edited by Nestor on September 3, 2014 4:58PM
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  • Vizier
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    Agreed +1. No arguments from me bro. We are talking the same language.
  • Grim13
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    This is my number one reason for questioning my continued support of this game.
  • TheBull
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    Closing in on the 4 month mark with the same issues. It would be nice to get an update.
  • Artis
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    Silly, that invisibility doesn't include sneaking. NBs are weak enough not to crit from behind using Dark Cloak (just like when you start a fight from behind, sneaking)
  • Asgari
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    TheBull wrote: »
    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌
    Closing in on the 4 month mark with the same issues. It would be nice to get an update.

    Agreed.
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