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hi all!
i have a question:
How Zenimax has not in considered translation of the game in other languages?
Insert subtitles is not excessively expensive. Many people do not play this beautiful game, because they know little English and are afraid of the idea of a game where they would understand little or no English.
More people are spanish, russian, italian or portughese ( good part of Latin america).
A translation with subtitles attracts many player and, besides, relaunches the game.
In alternative Zenimax can furnish the language file we make free an amateur translation (as done in other games online).
i have a question:
How Zenimax has not in considered translation of the game in other languages?
Insert subtitles is not excessively expensive. Many people do not play this beautiful game, because they know little English and are afraid of the idea of a game where they would understand little or no English.
More people are spanish, russian, italian or portughese ( good part of Latin america).
A translation with subtitles attracts many player and, besides, relaunches the game.
In alternative Zenimax can furnish the language file we make free an amateur translation (as done in other games online).
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Kos✭✭✭Not only this but if someone wants to learn other language it would be great fun for them to play game and learn at the same time. Also they should create voiceover in other languages too, but this would be very expensive unless amateurs would take care of it. I have already found this game to be a fun way of expanding vocabulary and listening skills in English. It happens naturally while I follow the story.Edited by Kos on August 24, 2014 10:49AM1
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✭✭It would probably be more expense than they would recoup.
To do it for Portugese (for example) they would not only have to do all the main quests, the guild quests and faction quests (quite a bit there already), but also all the comments, the NPCs, and of course M'aiq the Liar.
One the other hand, a fair proportion of the people who want that language are already playing the game. Admittedly some might stop playing if they get a straight NO to a portugese version, and some might actually give it a try if a portugese version came out.
But on the whole the real potential gain is outweighed by the costs.
PS. Real Potential gain is the actual amount a financial adviser would assign to the possible increase in capital (losses for not would be taken into account too), not simply saying X Million people speak that language, therefore there is a potential market of X million. Since most of them wouldn't be tempted anyway.Edited by AlexDougherty on August 24, 2014 12:29PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭✭✭✭✭I know the game is already in English, French and German (unless I'm missing one). Excepting Mandarin and Spanish, that's covered the major languages of the world. And if you come from a Mandarin or Spanish-speaking country, odds are that you have been educated in one of those three languages as well.----
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AlexDougherty wrote: »PS. Real Potential gain is the actual amount a financial adviser would assign to the possible increase in capital (losses for not would be taken into account too), not simply saying X Million people speak that language, therefore there is a potential market of X million. Since most of them wouldn't be tempted anyway.
they agree however you think that this is a game by subscription. The earningses to cover the expenses are there but zenimax have to invest in other markets to pick up other clients. It's a rule of market.
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✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »PS. Real Potential gain is the actual amount a financial adviser would assign to the possible increase in capital (losses for not would be taken into account too), not simply saying X Million people speak that language, therefore there is a potential market of X million. Since most of them wouldn't be tempted anyway.
they agree however you think that this is a game by subscription. The earningses to cover the expenses are there but zenimax have to invest in other markets to pick up other clients. It's a rule of market.
The markets you mentioned are not large enough (with the exception of Spanish, but I'm not sure how popular MMOs are in Latin America, where the majority of the Spanish-speaking world lives) to justify the expense of a full translation.
Italian? Only spoken in Italy. Portuguese? Portugal and Brazil. Russian? Russia (which has a large population, but most of their gamers do speak English).
You'd have a bit of an argument if you were going to advocate Chinese translations, simply due to the sheer population of the country, but China has strict regulations on gaming/MMOs.----
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doesn't seem me that game as W.o.w. and others they have gone to loss with the translations!0
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✭✭✭✭✭doesn't seem me that game as W.o.w. and others they have gone to loss with the translations!
To my knowledge, the only languages offered by WoW that aren't offered in ESO are Spanish and Mandarin, and that's because WoW has Latin-American and East Asian servers.
And what "others" are you referring to that have such broad translations?----
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✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »PS. Real Potential gain is the actual amount a financial adviser would assign to the possible increase in capital (losses for not would be taken into account too), not simply saying X Million people speak that language, therefore there is a potential market of X million. Since most of them wouldn't be tempted anyway.
they agree however you think that this is a game by subscription. The earnings to cover the expenses are there but zenimax have to invest in other markets to pick up other clients. It's a rule of market.
I sort of agree, especially as subscriptions are a long term source of income, but it's an agreement with a caveat. I don't know how much it would costs to increase access to those markets, and thus don't know how much profit they would get, if any.
The cost versus profit arguements will have been done by the company a dozen times already. No company ignores any potential market, but they tend to be a bit conservative about investing money into business channels. Mainly because companies that weren't conservative went bust decades ago.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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nerevarine1138 wrote: »
And what "others" are you referring to that have such broad translations?
Wow language
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
And what "others" are you referring to that have such broad translations?
Wow language
Ok. And what other games were you referring to? Besides WoW.----
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nerevarine1138 wrote: »[
Ok. And what other games were you referring to? Besides WoW.
nostale, metin2, Aion, Nevewinter online etc...
But personally my interesting is for E.S.O. that is a good product , not other products
Edited by JosephIta on August 24, 2014 4:13PM1 -
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✭Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...
Portugal and Spain don't represent the majority of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking population.----
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...
Portugal and Spain don't represent the majority of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking population.
okay well compare the population of Germany and France to the population of Spain and Portugal. Kind of irrelevant that some of the other countries are poorer when Spain and Portugal are about as populated as Germany and France. Really, most places that speak French are poor, iirc, so by that argument, French should not be an option?
Not to mention, a lot of people in south america play MMOs, it's not like there's no one with a computer ffs/Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...
Portugal and Spain don't represent the majority of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking population.
okay well compare the population of Germany and France to the population of Spain and Portugal. Kind of irrelevant that some of the other countries are poorer when Spain and Portugal are about as populated as Germany and France. Really, most places that speak French are poor, iirc, so by that argument, French should not be an option?
Not to mention, a lot of people in south america play MMOs, it's not like there's no one with a computer ffs/
I'm not saying there aren't people in South America with computers, but I am saying that this game has European and North American servers.
There's nothing here worth getting riled up about. ZO picked the languages that were most appropriate to the regions they'd be serving. Evidently, South America isn't one of them.----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...
Portugal and Spain don't represent the majority of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking population.
okay well compare the population of Germany and France to the population of Spain and Portugal. Kind of irrelevant that some of the other countries are poorer when Spain and Portugal are about as populated as Germany and France. Really, most places that speak French are poor, iirc, so by that argument, French should not be an option?
Not to mention, a lot of people in south america play MMOs, it's not like there's no one with a computer ffs/
I'm not saying there aren't people in South America with computers, but I am saying that this game has European and North American servers.
There's nothing here worth getting riled up about. ZO picked the languages that were most appropriate to the regions they'd be serving. Evidently, South America isn't one of them.
Except that Span and Portugal are in Europe? lol You keep acting like Spain and Portugal don't count. It's not like there are a ton more people in Germany and France.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
In Spain they don't buy the game? Or in Italy? or in Russia?
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »AlexDougherty wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Subtitles wouldn't be too hard imo. Actually, that could be done by amateurs. Having an actual interface that is in different languages could also be done.
Not sure why the game isn't available in Spanish. The other ones don't carry quite as much of a population, but Portuguese is also pretty big, Brazil alone is fairly large.
Yes, but most of the countries that speak spanish and portugese are poor.
Don't take that as a comment on my or anyone elses views, I personally would give everyone a laptop and a broadband connection, it's just that I lack 600 Trillion at this moment in time.
Portugal and Spain aren't poor...
Portugal and Spain don't represent the majority of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking population.
okay well compare the population of Germany and France to the population of Spain and Portugal. Kind of irrelevant that some of the other countries are poorer when Spain and Portugal are about as populated as Germany and France. Really, most places that speak French are poor, iirc, so by that argument, French should not be an option?
Not to mention, a lot of people in south america play MMOs, it's not like there's no one with a computer ffs/
I'm not saying there aren't people in South America with computers, but I am saying that this game has European and North American servers.
There's nothing here worth getting riled up about. ZO picked the languages that were most appropriate to the regions they'd be serving. Evidently, South America isn't one of them.
Except that Span and Portugal are in Europe? lol You keep acting like Spain and Portugal don't count. It's not like there are a ton more people in Germany and France.
No, but in Europe (at least last time I visited), English, French, and German were the most prevalent languages.----
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Black_Wolf88✭✭✭everyone should just play in english and hopefully learn better english trough it.
Im tiered of seeing and reading: "sry, i bad english, im french/german" or cant even quest together because teh german/french cant translate name of quest from their own to english when trying to group and do quest together with ppl who are not french/german."The key to immportality is first living a life worth remembering." -Bruce Lee1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Black_Wolf88 wrote: »everyone should just play in english and hopefully learn better english trough it.
Im tiered of seeing and reading: "sry, i bad english, im french/german" or cant even quest together because teh german/french cant translate name of quest from their own to english when trying to group and do quest together with ppl who are not french/german.
um, can you translate the english name of the quest into french or german, I know I can't.
And I definately can't speak in the french/german equivalent of pidgen english (I'm embarrasssed to say I don't even know what they would be called).
And until I can do these, I won't criticise someone else who speaks English better than I speak their language.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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RedMiniStapler✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Except that Span and Portugal are in Europe? lol You keep acting like Spain and Portugal don't count. It's not like there are a ton more people in Germany and France.
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argail88Soul ShrivenIn Spain the mmo dont like much. Skyrim was #1 in sales (yes, Skyrim was trasnlated). I think, in Spain, players prefers footbal simulators and games of this type, COD, Battledfield...
By the way, Spanish ESO comunity (some of them) is creating an addon for translate the game into spanish.
Saludos from Spain
P.D. Apologies for my bad english
Edited by argail88 on August 24, 2014 9:24PM0 -
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Forcing English on everyone would only result in a smaller player base. Is this what you want?Black_Wolf88 wrote: »everyone should just play in english and hopefully learn better english trough it.
Im tiered of seeing and reading: "sry, i bad english, im french/german" or cant even quest together because teh german/french cant translate name of quest from their own to english when trying to group and do quest together with ppl who are not french/german.
While I agree that games can be a great learning tool, I wouldn't play an RPG in a language I don't know well unless it was my only option. I wouldn't want to miss the stories hidden in dialogues and books.
Btw, I feel that this solution to quest name problems is a bit one-sided. English speakers can also try to learn basic French and German; it really isn't that hard to remember the most popular quest names. I couldn't hold a conversation in German to save my life, but I helped a German group run a dungeon once. Language barriers can be overcome, but it takes effort from both sides.0 -
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✭Black_Wolf88 wrote: »everyone should just play in english and hopefully learn better english trough it.
Im tiered of seeing and reading: "sry, i bad english, im french/german" or cant even quest together because teh german/french cant translate name of quest from their own to english when trying to group and do quest together with ppl who are not french/german.
I hope you're trolling...Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0