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So.. Sorc Streak with Unlimited Targets and Ultimate Gain

  • Leovolao
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    Also, immovable is your friend.
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  • Road2insanity777
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    Leovolao wrote: »
    Soliss wrote: »
    Is it intended that Streak (the morph of Bolt Escape) for Sorcerers has an unlimited number of targets that it can damage+disorient? By hitting a uncapped large number of people, the Sorcerer gains ultimate very quickly.

    Is this an intended mechanic?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ , @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ , @ZOS_Anyone?

    90% of the bugs/exploits/broken skills I have encountered have been from Sorcs. As somewone doesn't play a sorc, until sorcs are fixed I wont be resubscribing...

    Please do tell me about all this bugs, exploits and broken skills. Proof and examples, if you don't mind.

    Devs already have my screenshots of proof, as well as detailed accounts, and possible solutions. What they do with them is out of my control.
  • Leovolao
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    Xanthro wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    if you know it's coming, why won't you block? Or move away?
    Because 90% of the time you don't know it's coming. Someone in mist form and can't be targeted and has no health bar, then BOLT turn BOLT turn BOLT turn.
    Plus, a good bit of time, blocking does nothing to prevent the bolt from disorienting you, especially if there is a large group around, because this causes lag. You may show you are blocking, but the character attacking you that you do see is actually already past you and has cast bolt already.

    See a blob of players? Block or move away. Going into a breach? Pop immovable or maneuvers. It's really not that hard, dude. Now, I'm sure people will whine "but immovable doesn't work half the time" and it's true, but nerfing a skill based on lag or bugs just doesn't make any sense because the skill is not broken, the game is.
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  • Leovolao
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    Leovolao wrote: »
    Soliss wrote: »
    Is it intended that Streak (the morph of Bolt Escape) for Sorcerers has an unlimited number of targets that it can damage+disorient? By hitting a uncapped large number of people, the Sorcerer gains ultimate very quickly.

    Is this an intended mechanic?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ , @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ , @ZOS_Anyone?

    90% of the bugs/exploits/broken skills I have encountered have been from Sorcs. As somewone doesn't play a sorc, until sorcs are fixed I wont be resubscribing...

    Please do tell me about all this bugs, exploits and broken skills. Proof and examples, if you don't mind.

    Devs already have my screenshots of proof, as well as detailed accounts, and possible solutions. What they do with them is out of my control.

    So that's a no on proof or examples?
    tea pot


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  • Road2insanity777
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    Leovolao wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Soliss wrote: »
    Is it intended that Streak (the morph of Bolt Escape) for Sorcerers has an unlimited number of targets that it can damage+disorient? By hitting a uncapped large number of people, the Sorcerer gains ultimate very quickly.

    Is this an intended mechanic?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ , @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ , @ZOS_Anyone?

    90% of the bugs/exploits/broken skills I have encountered have been from Sorcs. As somewone doesn't play a sorc, until sorcs are fixed I wont be resubscribing...

    Please do tell me about all this bugs, exploits and broken skills. Proof and examples, if you don't mind.

    Devs already have my screenshots of proof, as well as detailed accounts, and possible solutions. What they do with them is out of my control.

    So that's a no on proof or examples?
    That's a: I've already been reprimanded for posting specifics here and told to inform the debs and that it didn't have a place on the forums. So I'm telling you not only do I not feel the need to prove it to YOU, but also that I'm apparently not ALLOWED to.
    Edited by Road2insanity777 on August 22, 2014 9:25PM
  • Asgari
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    Run immovable when its fixed and or hold block when you see the streak coming. Its not very difficult and many sorcs arent built around streak AoE so there is no reason to nerf it more. It already costs a great deal to use over and over.
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  • Krinaman
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    If it's hitting an unlimited number of players then it's broken. Period. End of discussion. Seriously there isn't an argument you can make to justify one class getting an uncapped damage dealer/CC while the other do not. None.

    The only discussion at this point would be what the cap should be.
  • Vizier
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    Leovolao wrote: »
    Xanthro wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    if you know it's coming, why won't you block? Or move away?
    Because 90% of the time you don't know it's coming. Someone in mist form and can't be targeted and has no health bar, then BOLT turn BOLT turn BOLT turn.
    Plus, a good bit of time, blocking does nothing to prevent the bolt from disorienting you, especially if there is a large group around, because this causes lag. You may show you are blocking, but the character attacking you that you do see is actually already past you and has cast bolt already.

    See a blob of players? Block or move away. Going into a breach? Pop immovable or maneuvers. It's really not that hard, dude. Now, I'm sure people will whine "but immovable doesn't work half the time" and it's true, but nerfing a skill based on lag or bugs just doesn't make any sense because the skill is not broken, the game is.

    "See a blob of players? Block or move away." Lets parse this for a minute. See a Zerg and start blocking. Thus move slow as snot. Get WTF gang ***, respawn. Move away? Now remember this is the suggested tactic to deal with streak from a Sorc that will be streaking ahead of the Zerg. So..Move away...Stun disorient, break stun move, stun disorient, Zerg wave hits, talons, bat swarm, impulse, blah blah. But Sorcs want to cry L2P. Coming from the class with a spammable AOE, damaging stun, Can't catch me I'm the Gingerbread Man spell.

    I will tell you it's not as easy as it looks and Streak is not instant win, but once the learning curve is navigated on the skill few will ever counter it even when risks are taken by the sorc. The continuous stun needs nerfing just like the magicka costs needed it previously, which by the way, was supposed to reduce BE spam to a manageable levels. It clearly has not. It is the stun that needs nerfing NOT the ability to spam BE because Sorcs should IMO have a viable escape mechanism and reducing the ability to cast BE would make the ability useless for Sorcs not geared and speced for it.
    Run immovable when its fixed and or hold block when you see the streak coming. Its not very difficult and many sorcs arent built around streak AoE so there is no reason to nerf it more. It already costs a great deal to use over and over.

    Hold block when you see streak coming? LOls. There is every reason to nerf it more and I believe it will be at some point. It's pretty obvious to all but Sorc players...shrug.
    Edited by Vizier on August 22, 2014 11:50PM
  • Vizier
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    Leovolao wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Soliss wrote: »
    Is it intended that Streak (the morph of Bolt Escape) for Sorcerers has an unlimited number of targets that it can damage+disorient? By hitting a uncapped large number of people, the Sorcerer gains ultimate very quickly.

    Is this an intended mechanic?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ , @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ , @ZOS_Anyone?

    90% of the bugs/exploits/broken skills I have encountered have been from Sorcs. As somewone doesn't play a sorc, until sorcs are fixed I wont be resubscribing...

    Please do tell me about all this bugs, exploits and broken skills. Proof and examples, if you don't mind.

    Devs already have my screenshots of proof, as well as detailed accounts, and possible solutions. What they do with them is out of my control.

    So that's a no on proof or examples?
    That's a: I've already been reprimanded for posting specifics here and told to inform the debs and that it didn't have a place on the forums. So I'm telling you not only do I not feel the need to prove it to YOU, but also that I'm apparently not ALLOWED to.

    It is responsible NOT to post bugs and exploits to the general public because that would just be letting folks inclined to cheat know what and how to do it. There is no need to publish these IMO. Clearly there have been bugs and exploits within the game. I think it's pretty much a reasonable statement that indicates such without details.
  • Road2insanity777
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    Vizier wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Soliss wrote: »
    Is it intended that Streak (the morph of Bolt Escape) for Sorcerers has an unlimited number of targets that it can damage+disorient? By hitting a uncapped large number of people, the Sorcerer gains ultimate very quickly.

    Is this an intended mechanic?

    @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ , @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ , @ZOS_Anyone?

    90% of the bugs/exploits/broken skills I have encountered have been from Sorcs. As somewone doesn't play a sorc, until sorcs are fixed I wont be resubscribing...

    Please do tell me about all this bugs, exploits and broken skills. Proof and examples, if you don't mind.

    Devs already have my screenshots of proof, as well as detailed accounts, and possible solutions. What they do with them is out of my control.

    So that's a no on proof or examples?
    That's a: I've already been reprimanded for posting specifics here and told to inform the debs and that it didn't have a place on the forums. So I'm telling you not only do I not feel the need to prove it to YOU, but also that I'm apparently not ALLOWED to.

    It is responsible NOT to post bugs and exploits to the general public because that would just be letting folks inclined to cheat know what and how to do it. There is no need to publish these IMO. Clearly there have been bugs and exploits within the game. I think it's pretty much a reasonable statement that indicates such without details.

    I am aware of this. Unfortunately I think this is the reason people demand proof, so they can reverse engineer the method.
    Edited by Road2insanity777 on August 23, 2014 1:20AM
  • skoomatrait
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    See how sorc streak abusers rage for the truth )

    Guys please create tickets not in game but via website (to get your ticket number) and report uncapped streak aoe exploit, and soon you'll find in patch notes that zos changed this broken mechanics due to players requests

    teach them how to play fair
    Edited by skoomatrait on August 23, 2014 9:50AM
  • c0rp
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    This whole thread is lol....lets NOT talk about how to make zerg balls stop....lets talk about nerfing the skill that has received the biggest nerf in eso yet. Right.
    See how sorc streak abusers rage for the truth )

    Guys please create tickets not in game but via website (to get your ticket number) and report uncapped streak aoe exploit, and soon you'll find in patch notes that zos changed this broken mechanics due to players requests

    teach them how to play fair

    Oh please...if zerg balls werent a problem you wouldnt be on here bitching about streak.

    1) If you are a victim to repeated streaks you need to L2P. Im sorry, but that is the sad truth.

    2) You should be bitching about the mechanics CAUSING 50 players to group up into a ball in the first place. Not what streak does when a sorc tries to disrupt it.

    /thread


    Edited by c0rp on August 23, 2014 1:46PM
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
    Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.
  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    Sorcs defending streak giving them way too much ultimate for ultimate spam, while its disorient effect change isn't "disorienting" its stunning. A few sorcs streak spamming through you will stun lock you. While you're in the middle of the breakfree animation another streak will just stun you again, and so on. This is where they are able to just chain negate or whatever other ultimate they want to use at the time, other usually being Clouding swarm, where they invisibally spam impulse until it wears off then start the streak spam again.

    They do all that despite the "extreme magicka costs of bolt escape". Arguing that this stops the zergball is a lie, because it doesn't. This is simply another zerg tactic that is sorcerer specific, and only makes the zergballs worse when they utilize it. WHEN they utilize it, because near every sorc is exploiting its effects right now.
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    For those complaining about streak stunning them all the time, I am forced to assume you guys are the type of players I encounter who don't hold block/immovable 90% of the time? If so I would just like to say, welcome to Cyrodiil.

    Now in regards to the skilled players I encounter, there is no such thing as easy mode BE spam. I would run OOM in 10 sec, do pretty much nothing to them through their block and heals, then die because I can't keep my wards up. The only time I use streak in these fights is to counter stampede/invasion/ambush/toppling charge.
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  • Rylana
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    How to win ESO

    Roll sorc (breton or dunmer, i prefer breton)
    Level sorc
    Get heavy to level 22, switch to light forever
    Become vampire
    Level vampire
    Obtain warlock set
    Obtain Seducer set

    Use both five pieces (figure out how yourself, if you do it right you will have room for a piece of fire resist jewelry or spell power), all magicka attribs, all magicka enchants

    First bar fire destro (only use impulse for Vampire blobs, or just for lulz)

    Immovable, Streak. Critical Surge, Elemental Ring, Inner Light. Absorption Field Ultimate

    Second bar resto

    Harness Magicka, Streak, Efficient Purge, Healing Springs, Inner Light. Clouding Swarm Ultimate.

    Go win the game.

    Youre welcome.
    Edited by Rylana on August 24, 2014 11:29PM
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  • Rylana
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    How to win ESO part deux.

    Strategy.

    1. Prefill ultimate with healing springs on many npc guards or players.
    2. Identify blob to destroy, the nice tight ones are the best ones, delicious.
    3. Buff up with crit surge, harness, immovable. Hold down right mouse button, you will never let this go.
    4. LEEROY JENKINS streak impulse negate, streak impulse switch bars to resto, hit bats, switch bars back to destro.
    5. Repeat 4 unless you take damage. Repeat step 3 as buffs expire.
    6. If taking damage stay on resto bar and cast harness, purge, springs while still in bats, streak away if needed. If okay return to step 4.
    7. Rake in AP.
    8. Enjoy ragetells.


    BONUS ROUND

    Step 4a. While in bats place oilpot at feet. Use oilpot before swapping back to destro.
    Edited by Rylana on August 24, 2014 11:31PM
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  • Teargrants
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    I was about to point out how mage light's pointless, then I remembered you're talking about farming bads who don't even purge and likely aren't stacking impenetrable, when you mentioned oil. ._.
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  • Rylana
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    Kirsika wrote: »
    I was about to point out how mage light's pointless, then I remembered you're talking about farming bads who don't even purge and likely aren't stacking impenetrable, when you mentioned oil. ._.

    Oh it kills pros just as well.

    The funny thing about impen/crit is that even with sub-70 spell crit, I still crit all of the time on even "leet pvpers"

    So its pretty obvious theres a hardcap on impen in there people arent noticing.
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  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    Nah its just that a number of people aren't wearing impen sets at all, not even 2 pieces. I crit a lot of people with 12% weapon crit.

    I see most people using dropped sets, like trials stuff, nowadays. And I know every wizard is using warlock and thats 2 pieces of non-impen right there.
    Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on August 25, 2014 7:26AM
  • Mojomonkeyman
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    Rylana you must be godawful. The setup you described is about the most terrible nobrainer, which gets countered so easy by someone with single target capabilities. One can see, you don`t know in the slightest how to play your sorc twink.

    I get ambushed by 4,4k spikes by ever-cloaking NBs, lethal arrowed for 2,4k, permastunned with no cc immunity triggering after breaking out from the after cloak stun, i could go on... and you still complain about streak?

    Seriously?
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  • Rylana
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    Rylana you must be godawful. The setup you described is about the most terrible nobrainer, which gets countered so easy by someone with single target capabilities. One can see, you don`t know in the slightest how to play your sorc twink.

    I get ambushed by 4,4k spikes by ever-cloaking NBs, lethal arrowed for 2,4k, permastunned with no cc immunity triggering after breaking out from the after cloak stun, i could go on... and you still complain about streak?

    Seriously?

    Except for you cant single target it. I am invisible almost 100 percent of the time. (my clouding swarm requires 118 ultimate to activate, thats ridiculously easy to get with one or two streaks through a clump or an impulse barrage in a tight spot). As emp I literally was invisible 100 percent uptime. And for what little downtime I MIGHT have outside of bats, I have resto staff heals to power through any incoming.

    The only hard counter for this build is to GET AWAY FROM IT AND DONT COME BACK and pray to god I run out of resources before I either get to you or get away from you.

    Also group AOE, but thats dangerous, a caltrops might help.

    If I hadnt used this build to roll face, I wouldnt be saying its any good. And you really think I am the only one? Its apparently the current FOTM actually.

    Not that its even a 1 on 1 build anyway. Its a group aoe synergy/ruckus build. Id have healers and other AOE DPS all around me anyway, my job would be to stunlock and DPS the hell out of anyone we went up against.

    That being said, as emp, this build took on 20-30 people solo and won. The current emp of chillrend uses a very similar rotation (though not exact).

    There are three main issues this build showcases

    Streak needs to observe the aoe cap like everything else
    Critical surge is ridiculously OP when used correctly
    Immovable still needs to be tied to at least a five piece heavy armor suit equipped
    Edited by Rylana on August 25, 2014 9:52AM
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  • Rylana
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    Nah its just that a number of people aren't wearing impen sets at all, not even 2 pieces. I crit a lot of people with 12% weapon crit.

    I see most people using dropped sets, like trials stuff, nowadays. And I know every wizard is using warlock and thats 2 pieces of non-impen right there.

    Well then there is your tradeoff. You either go all defense vs crit (crafted) or you go all-in on magicka regen/pool/damage (mix of crafted/trial). You cant have both cause trial traits suck hard.
    Edited by Rylana on August 25, 2014 9:47AM
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  • Vatter
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »

    Current sorc rotation : streak, shard, shard, shard, (they get 3 off because the person holding block moves at 25% speed) when the other player gets close, streak, shard, shard, shard, (player out of stamina) execute.

    I love when people who have never played a class (obvious from what I quoted above) are calling for nerfs.

    I love it when people are so incredibly dependent and desperate to keep something they know they shouldn't have and regularly abuse then jump on anyone who would dare suggest an alternative.
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »
    They should keep the streak as it is but just take away the disorient. The action should be just a retreat ability not an offensive tool. One of the biggest problems with blobs are sorcs streaking ahead of blobs to remove stamina from people followed by dk's who spam talons (perma rooted) and vamps behind them spamming bats and impulse.

    if you know it's coming, why won't you block? Or move away?

    How can I block or move if the characters don't even render on my screen? most vamp sorcs go invisible and streak with bats. Wonder how much crying will happen when they fix that exploit. Not to mention the forum breaking crying if they disabled your action bar while you blocked.

    HAHAHA what am I saying ZoS can't even fix the game breaking bugs going on now. One thing is for sure. Everyone playing a sorc is trying their very very hardest to shut these types of threads down. Playing a sorc is so easy mode god forbid you would have to learn to play.

    Current sorc rotation : streak, shard, shard, shard, (they get 3 off because the person holding block moves at 25% speed) when the other player gets close, streak, shard, shard, shard, (player out of stamina) execute.

    Characters not rendering is not a sorc issue, neither is action bar disable (I'm guessing that's the skill going all grey and not working). I just don't see the easy mode.

    About that rotation, I just laughed a little. Are you seriously getting hit by hard cast crystal at least 2 times after 1 streak? Man I would love to fight you, I can't get away with doing this so called easy mode rotation on players new to pvp.

    yep. sure am. 1k+ every time. even though I purge all de-buffs and have 2k+ spell resistance.
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Also, immovable is your friend.

    Immovable is broken. But then most people already know this. Not sure why you don't.
  • wllstrt75b14_ESO
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    Dudegr wrote: »
    New to pvp and just got powned by some sorc? Yeah its been like that since launch (besides the cooldown nerf) so it works well and as intended.L2P or get used to it and leave the sorcs alone it was and still is the only close to balanced class in the buggy game.

    Lets translate this....

    leave my sorcerer alone I like it that it is OP and can kick everything's arse and when I stack my damage shields and use surge I am invincible with my stunning no AOE capped escape...

    Nothing like having crystal frags that stuns folks and does high damage then can be instant cast and followed up with that finisher that explodes for unseen damage..then using surge I can heal myself a ton, plus my crit rates can be huge as heck and before they removed the shield stacking, and they even get magica regen from a passive i think as well that they can synergize with their abilities.

    there are plenty of vids out there where sorcerers can tank as well as DK's and put out a crap ton more damage.

    this is why sorcers are probably the most played class in PvP if nott the most played they are very close to the dk's which were OP for a very long time and are still damn good in the dps and survival area.

    Meanwhile the devs felt it was smart to nerf Killer blades and the heal it provides to the NB..hmmmm.......lets keep staffers where they are and *** the melee chars some more.


    Not surprised the NB got yet another nerf.
    Edited by wllstrt75b14_ESO on August 25, 2014 6:34PM
  • MAOofDC
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    Soliss wrote: »
    Well if hitting 300-400 damage to each person is very little damage with no target caps (maxing out spell damage and magicka). People who know how to use it, cast it a couple of times, gets up enough ultimate, uses ultimate, 4 second magicka timer is up and can chain it again.

    And it seems to work most of the time from what I can see. You're probably pointing yourself at a wall or something.

    I am assuming your issue stems from it's use in PvP. I have a solution without the need for a target cap, don't bunch up. Streak has an area of effect if you are not in that area you are completely unaffected. You can also block to mitigate the effects. It is that simple
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  • MAOofDC
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    Vatter wrote: »
    They should keep the streak as it is but just take away the disorient. The action should be just a retreat ability not an offensive tool. One of the biggest problems with blobs are sorcs streaking ahead of blobs to remove stamina from people followed by dk's who spam talons (perma rooted) and vamps behind them spamming bats and impulse.

    So you want the effect of shock to go away if I'm reading this right. Fire burns, Frost slows, Shock DISORIENTATES . If you want to disorientate your opposition you simply need to put a shock enchantment on you weapon OR use the Lightning Destruction staff.

    As for you stating that it is retreat ability I say you are correct. Tell me what is better? Just running away from someone who means you harm OR kicking then in the balls thereby stunning them, then running away

    For any one who hasn't played a Sorcerer let me fill you in Bolt Escape is THE LAST SKILL AVAILABLE in the class skill line of STORM calling. Meaning that you only see it in a character that has quite a bit of experience. Then once you get the skill opened you need to morph it. It also doesn't advance quickly because it is the last skill.

    Oh did I forget to mention the 40% increase to magicka cost each time you use it UNLESS you allow FOUR seconds to pass. So using me as an example I have a right around 2300 magicka first use I'm down to about 2000, second ~1600, third ~1000, fourth ~400. After that the spell is uncastable due to magicka costs. That also assumes that I had a full bar to begin with which I rarely do because I prefer to use my ranged spells first rather than using Streak off the bat.
    Edited by MAOofDC on August 25, 2014 10:42PM
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  • Krinaman
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    MAOofDC wrote: »
    I am assuming your issue stems from it's use in PvP. I have a solution without the need for a target cap, don't bunch up. Streak has an area of effect if you are not in that area you are completely unaffected. You can also block to mitigate the effects. It is that simple

    So give me an uncapped AOE that does 10K damage to everyone in range. It's not OP because you can just stand out of range. See how stupid that sounds?

  • Leovolao
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    Vatter wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »

    Current sorc rotation : streak, shard, shard, shard, (they get 3 off because the person holding block moves at 25% speed) when the other player gets close, streak, shard, shard, shard, (player out of stamina) execute.

    I love when people who have never played a class (obvious from what I quoted above) are calling for nerfs.

    I love it when people are so incredibly dependent and desperate to keep something they know they shouldn't have and regularly abuse then jump on anyone who would dare suggest an alternative.
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Vatter wrote: »
    They should keep the streak as it is but just take away the disorient. The action should be just a retreat ability not an offensive tool. One of the biggest problems with blobs are sorcs streaking ahead of blobs to remove stamina from people followed by dk's who spam talons (perma rooted) and vamps behind them spamming bats and impulse.

    if you know it's coming, why won't you block? Or move away?

    How can I block or move if the characters don't even render on my screen? most vamp sorcs go invisible and streak with bats. Wonder how much crying will happen when they fix that exploit. Not to mention the forum breaking crying if they disabled your action bar while you blocked.

    HAHAHA what am I saying ZoS can't even fix the game breaking bugs going on now. One thing is for sure. Everyone playing a sorc is trying their very very hardest to shut these types of threads down. Playing a sorc is so easy mode god forbid you would have to learn to play.

    Current sorc rotation : streak, shard, shard, shard, (they get 3 off because the person holding block moves at 25% speed) when the other player gets close, streak, shard, shard, shard, (player out of stamina) execute.

    Characters not rendering is not a sorc issue, neither is action bar disable (I'm guessing that's the skill going all grey and not working). I just don't see the easy mode.

    About that rotation, I just laughed a little. Are you seriously getting hit by hard cast crystal at least 2 times after 1 streak? Man I would love to fight you, I can't get away with doing this so called easy mode rotation on players new to pvp.

    yep. sure am. 1k+ every time. even though I purge all de-buffs and have 2k+ spell resistance.
    Leovolao wrote: »
    Also, immovable is your friend.

    Immovable is broken. But then most people already know this. Not sure why you don't.

    Immovable still works, just not all the time. And even then, broken skills do not justify a nerf neither does you being bad.
    Edited by Leovolao on August 26, 2014 1:30AM
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  • MAOofDC
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    Krinaman wrote: »
    MAOofDC wrote: »
    I am assuming your issue stems from it's use in PvP. I have a solution without the need for a target cap, don't bunch up. Streak has an area of effect if you are not in that area you are completely unaffected. You can also block to mitigate the effects. It is that simple

    So give me an uncapped AOE that does 10K damage to everyone in range. It's not OP because you can just stand out of range. See how stupid that sounds?
    First off 13-16 point is NOWHERE near 10k damage. Also it is a line 15 meters LONG not wide, not a radius, or diameter, a line, so if you are not DIRECTLY in front of said caster you are unaffected. How is that op double tab to the right or left, maybe try blocking, problem solved.

    Here is the text from the spell description. from http://teso.gamepedia.com/Streak#Streak

    Damage and disorient enemies in front of you. Deals 13 – 16 Shock Damage to enemies moved through, disorienting them for 2 seconds.
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  • wllstrt75b14_ESO
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    MAOofDC wrote: »
    Krinaman wrote: »
    MAOofDC wrote: »
    I am assuming your issue stems from it's use in PvP. I have a solution without the need for a target cap, don't bunch up. Streak has an area of effect if you are not in that area you are completely unaffected. You can also block to mitigate the effects. It is that simple

    So give me an uncapped AOE that does 10K damage to everyone in range. It's not OP because you can just stand out of range. See how stupid that sounds?
    First off 13-16 point is NOWHERE near 10k damage. Also it is a line 15 meters LONG not wide, not a radius, or diameter, a line, so if you are not DIRECTLY in front of said caster you are unaffected. How is that op double tab to the right or left, maybe try blocking, problem solved.

    Here is the text from the spell description. from http://teso.gamepedia.com/Streak#Streak

    Damage and disorient enemies in front of you. Deals 13 – 16 Shock Damage to enemies moved through, disorienting them for 2 seconds.

    Lmao according to your little site that 13-16 damage u call small amounts has a magica cost of 56 points..you know that's not leveled up damage you are trying to minimize right?

    sigh another failed attempt to try and logically defend BE.

    Also in front of said caster includes a width that is not determined, I have been stunned or disoriented 5 meters away from said caster.

    And jumping out of the way in the midst of a large group battle assuming you see said caster BE through group while fighting other chars is kind of a stupid suggestion.
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