Hey guys, we're getting rid of VR Levels

Perphection

"Hey guys,

Zenimax here. We're gonna get rid of VR levels because an increasingly large percentage of this games meager population hates it. So here's new sets with the 1.3 patch"

"..Hey guys, 1.4 is on the way! VR 14 is coming!! WOOOO!"

How many of you PvPer's thought to yourself "Oh, sweet new sets and they're removing VR levels, I'm gonna make my PvP set legendary"

Say what you want about me, but I play this game to PvP, and there is almost no money to be made with PvP. I'm broke, every dime I make goes towards potions.

So, for those of you saying "It's not a big deal, it's new gear. Just upgrade it, farm some money. Stop complaining about new content" I hate PvE, it's boring and just not challenging in this game.

Stop trying to force me to PvE in order to PvP. Yes, they're adding gold to PvP rewards, how much. Will I be able to make 200k gold so I can upgrade the new set of gear I'm going to need? Even though my current set of fully upgraded gear is only what, 2 weeks old?

Yes, you can buy PvP gear, but let's face it.. most of it is terrible. I mean, I always wanted a PvP set with well-fitted traits.

You're going to force me to buy gold and get banned is what it comes down to.

1.4 is going to be yet another patch that causes players to unsub.

timidobserver

You are raging really hard. Just take a breath. In reality, 2 more levels isn't that big of a deal. An inconvenience at most.

Perphection

Not raging at all. It's just stupid, every patch is like a *** Christmas where Santa brings you coal instead of gifts.

Cody

some people like the well-fitted trait:)

I am also a little annoyed at this. iv seen the excuse "to keep players busy" but from what iv seen from this community, most will just grind it out in a day or 2 in craglorn. but its not that big of a deal. it is, in reality, just 2 more levels. at least they will be removing vet ranks at some point. I am hoping the PvP gold rewards in the reward chests, are a decent amount. not something like 50 gold each. it needs to be enough to upgrade some gear, and to keep stocked up on potions and gems. once you finish the PvE content, your ability to make gold is severely reduced. I have to rely on guild store sales to make gold these days, and my stuff does not sell fast enough to keep stocked up.

timidobserver

Perphection wrote: »

Not raging at all. It's just stupid, every patch is like a *** Christmas where Santa brings you coal instead of gifts.

The people that run sets of legendary gear are good and screwed, Ill give you that much. IMO, legendary gear should come with the benefit of leveling with you, kind of like GW2 legendaries. It is too expensive to constantly be remaking.

However, for the smart people that run purple, it isn't that big of a deal. I am going to spend what will probably amount to 4-8 hours of gameplay getting to the new cap and getting my new gear crafted, and then back to my normal routine.

driosketch

Someone posted part of the transcript that said Vet points, not ranks, were going away. Regardless, they never said you would be done with gear progression. The opposite was stated, and I don't think there's any plans to ever be finished adding stuff.

And I'm sure that set gear will last you for a while even if it isn't the very top. Gear isn't end all be all of PVP. Don't let a few stat points here or there be an excuse to believe you can't do well in Cyrodiil.

Cody

oh, and to go back to my minor annoyance about the extra two vet ranks, my all epics and legendary VR12 set, that I spent 2 and a half months saving and getting improvement mats for, is no longer going to be the best, now I will have to do ALL of that again with vet 14 stuff, but, I cant, because, again, I cant make money:( iv finished PvE, PvE was the way I made my gold. but its done, and PvP sure as heck is not giving me enough. even the short 5 week campaign rewards are not enough. we need to be getting gold in these reward chests. and it need to be a good amount. at least 200-400 per chest in my opinion. maybe even more. yes, that's quite a bit, but staying stocked up when playing ONLY PvP is impossible right now. I had 100 grand gems, im out. but I cant buy more, because I cant make money. same for potions.

Perphection

timidobserver wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Not raging at all. It's just stupid, every patch is like a *** Christmas where Santa brings you coal instead of gifts.

The people that run sets of legendary gear are good and screwed, Ill give you that much. IMO, legendary gear should come with the benefit of leveling with you, kind of like GW2 legendaries. It is too expensive to constantly be remaking.

However, for the smart people that run purple, it isn't that big of a deal. I am going to spend what will probably amount to 4-8 hours of gameplay getting to the new cap and getting my new gear crafted, and then back to my normal routine.

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

Thing is, I know lots of people who upgraded their new VR12 sets to Legendary under the impression that VR was leaving and that they would have time to enjoy their newly crafted VR 12 legendary sets. 2 weeks later, VR 14 is announced.

It sounds like they were hoping people would waste their legendary mats to try and remove some of the millions of mats that were duped early in the game.

Skafsgaard

NookyZooky wrote: »

some people like the well-fitted trait:)

I guess it can be useful for questing if you cannot afford a horse.

Renuo

Just finished my ideal gear set 100% believing it would last a good while. What the hell zeni??

timidobserver

Perphection wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Not raging at all. It's just stupid, every patch is like a *** Christmas where Santa brings you coal instead of gifts.

The people that run sets of legendary gear are good and screwed, Ill give you that much. IMO, legendary gear should come with the benefit of leveling with you, kind of like GW2 legendaries. It is too expensive to constantly be remaking.

However, for the smart people that run purple, it isn't that big of a deal. I am going to spend what will probably amount to 4-8 hours of gameplay getting to the new cap and getting my new gear crafted, and then back to my normal routine.

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

Thing is, I know lots of people who upgraded their new VR12 sets to Legendary under the impression that VR was leaving and that they would have time to enjoy their newly crafted VR 12 legendary sets. 2 weeks later, VR 14 is announced.

It sounds like they were hoping people would waste their legendary mats to try and remove some of the millions of mats that were duped early in the game.

It definitely isn't a very good idea to put a lot of gold into gear until after the champion system hits. I would have thought that most would have realized that.

Nox_Aeterna

I agree OP.

Zen is trying really hard to kill their own game with their calls , honestly , they should thank everyday bethesda for the TES franchise.

If this was a new franchise like wildstar this game would have be so dead by now it would take the whole game population to play one trial :P.

Cody

Skafsgaard wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

some people like the well-fitted trait:)

I guess it can be useful for questing if you cannot afford a horse.

it usefull for when you have to flee a battle in PvP after having CC breaked and rolled 3-4 times. and why would I sprint across the PvE zone? thats skipping mats and wasting valuable stamina.

Enodoc

Wouldn't the same issue result from the Champion system when a new Season of gear comes out?

synnerman

Well, you only have to look at the notes to see why. The majority of "UPDATE" 4 is fixes from beta , update 1,2 and 3 so its no wonder they have to slap a 2 level cap in there to give us something to do.
Its about time they realised with the number of people actively involved with this project that 6 week updates are not viable because at the moment its a case of them doing and Update and 3 weeks later still trying to fix the stuff they break with the update and trying to jam fixes for long past problems into every update.

Its almost amateurish to watch, yesterday the patch notes were late because someone was in a meeting all morning ...wtf. The massive problem of impulse trains in pvp passed off by Brian Wheeler to the combat team, this "team" was discussing this issue 3 weeks ago and now posts are being moved into the combat and skills section and yet when I look for dev posts in there for comments on combat and skills there are none , only Brian Wheeler moving posts to there and a post asking people to be civil. Where is this combat team dev????

Road2insanity777

Perphection wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Not raging at all. It's just stupid, every patch is like a *** Christmas where Santa brings you coal instead of gifts.

The people that run sets of legendary gear are good and screwed, Ill give you that much. IMO, legendary gear should come with the benefit of leveling with you, kind of like GW2 legendaries. It is too expensive to constantly be remaking.

However, for the smart people that run purple, it isn't that big of a deal. I am going to spend what will probably amount to 4-8 hours of gameplay getting to the new cap and getting my new gear crafted, and then back to my normal routine.

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

Thing is, I know lots of people who upgraded their new VR12 sets to Legendary under the impression that VR was leaving and that they would have time to enjoy their newly crafted VR 12 legendary sets. 2 weeks later, VR 14 is announced.

It sounds like they were hoping people would waste their legendary mats to try and remove some of the millions of mats that were duped early in the game.

Exactly, its a deal breaker for me, they go forward as planned, I'll be moving on.

JackDaniell

Greens > Golds

Its honestly a waste to go any further than purple because the return vs cost is terrible. People who use gold gear just have money to waste

kijima

Yup ^ 100% agree.

I guess that's why I've got three different crafted sets of medium purple armour that I use for different things. VR14, meh.... whatever.

Craglorn will be busy again, even if only for a few days. Think of it that way.

Poxheart

Perphection wrote: »

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

I don't recall Zenimax ever saying this. I do recall them saying that the planned max VR level would be 15 and that they were going to do away with veteran experience. But I can't say I ever read anything that even suggested that veteran levels were going to be removed.

Perphection

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

I don't recall Zenimax ever saying this. I do recall them saying that the planned max VR level would be 15 and that they were going to do away with veteran experience. But I can't say I ever read anything that even suggested that veteran levels were going to be removed.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

This part is taken from their Off the Record with Quest Gaming Network.

Champion System (VR Overhaul Phase 3)
This will replace the Veteran system. This is a system where you are constantly adding points (Champion Points) into passives that will make your character stronger – i.e. critical hit or spell defense. You will add % that will increase these rating. It is a bit like the alternative advancement system (AA) in other games (i..e EQ1, EQ2)

Cody

kijima wrote: »

Yup ^ 100% agree.

I guess that's why I've got three different crafted sets of medium purple armour that I use for different things. VR14, meh.... whatever.

Craglorn will be busy again, even if only for a few days. Think of it that way.

busy? so more people will be doing the grinds? I guess that is busy:/.

Kewljag_66_ESO

They have greatly increased the exp gain from PVP and PVP quests, it should only take people a week to hit V14 from straight PVP. SO you dont have to PVE or grind. Just play PVP and the V12 to V14 probaly wont even be a noticable difference

RedTalon

-listens to the song nerd rage-

The new gains for exp in pvp out strip pve if you do it right, and I only play a little the past few weeks and gained 2 vr ranks, if I did pvp more would have maxed.

Sucks not feeling well.

Komma

I run with mostly blue stuff and purple weapons and I do just fine in pvp. I use some gold enchants but heck even most of those are store bought white lol.

KBKB

Yeah... first we had V10, then V12, then new sets, now V14 game is like 5 months old? it's getting a little stupid. I understood and was in full support of V12 coming out so quickly to soak up all the duped legendary materials. It has now gotten to the point of silly along with all the gold sinks in this game. In wow it was like 12 months/season of arena (swtor even longer lawl) which was too long but averaging a gear upgrade every 1.5 months is a slap in the face to anyone who took the time to farm/manage them self some nice now useless 'legendarily replaceable' gear.

ZOS is really showing they are new to MMOs and its a shame PC customers are the lab rats while they try to balance dumb with dumber.

Hadria

I've never seen so much crying before over this it's so hilarious.you children are great for a laugh

Poxheart

Perphection wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

I don't recall Zenimax ever saying this. I do recall them saying that the planned max VR level would be 15 and that they were going to do away with veteran experience. But I can't say I ever read anything that even suggested that veteran levels were going to be removed.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

This part is taken from their Off the Record with Quest Gaming Network.

Champion System (VR Overhaul Phase 3)
This will replace the Veteran system. This is a system where you are constantly adding points (Champion Points) into passives that will make your character stronger – i.e. critical hit or spell defense. You will add % that will increase these rating. It is a bit like the alternative advancement system (AA) in other games (i..e EQ1, EQ2)

Thanks for those citations. However I'm not sure how anybody could read those and expect veteran ranks to go away as soon as the next update. The first quote puts everybody on notice that veteran ranks won't go away until after "the Champion System has been fully rolled out."

According to today's Road Ahead, the Champion System falls into the "expect to see in a while" category.

Mumyo

Zenimax are talkers. I hate talkers and i think i take 2 chicken.

Perphection

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

I don't recall Zenimax ever saying this. I do recall them saying that the planned max VR level would be 15 and that they were going to do away with veteran experience. But I can't say I ever read anything that even suggested that veteran levels were going to be removed.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

This part is taken from their Off the Record with Quest Gaming Network.

Champion System (VR Overhaul Phase 3)
This will replace the Veteran system. This is a system where you are constantly adding points (Champion Points) into passives that will make your character stronger – i.e. critical hit or spell defense. You will add % that will increase these rating. It is a bit like the alternative advancement system (AA) in other games (i..e EQ1, EQ2)

Thanks for those citations. However I'm not sure how anybody could read those and expect veteran ranks to go away as soon as the next update. The first quote puts everybody on notice that veteran ranks won't go away until after "the Champion System has been fully rolled out."

According to today's Road Ahead, the Champion System falls into the "expect to see in a while" category.

Paul Sage said they expect it with the 1.4 release. In an interview he had prior to the most recent road ahead.

In phase 2, which arrive with Update 4 most likely. We will remove the Veteran Points system and have normal experience gains direct the growth of the Veteran System.

Some people, including myself, like to read the piles of *** Zenimax spews out.

Strakand

Perphection wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

Yeah, I refused to upgrade my VR10 sets to legendary for that exact reason. VR12 was coming and we knew it. However, they recently said "VR system is garbage, no one likes it so we're going to remove it."

I don't recall Zenimax ever saying this. I do recall them saying that the planned max VR level would be 15 and that they were going to do away with veteran experience. But I can't say I ever read anything that even suggested that veteran levels were going to be removed.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

This part is taken from their Off the Record with Quest Gaming Network.

Champion System (VR Overhaul Phase 3)
This will replace the Veteran system. This is a system where you are constantly adding points (Champion Points) into passives that will make your character stronger – i.e. critical hit or spell defense. You will add % that will increase these rating. It is a bit like the alternative advancement system (AA) in other games (i..e EQ1, EQ2)

Thanks for those citations. However I'm not sure how anybody could read those and expect veteran ranks to go away as soon as the next update. The first quote puts everybody on notice that veteran ranks won't go away until after "the Champion System has been fully rolled out."

According to today's Road Ahead, the Champion System falls into the "expect to see in a while" category.

Paul Sage said they expect it with the 1.4 release. In an interview he had prior to the most recent road ahead.

In phase 2, which arrive with Update 4 most likely. We will remove the Veteran Points system and have normal experience gains direct the growth of the Veteran System.

Some people, including myself, like to read the piles of *** Zenimax spews out.

And, apparently he was being overambitious...

Honestly, the champion system is a complete end game overhaul, and I am not really looking forward to it. I anticipate a dumpster full of bugs that will be "fixed" over a year or two.

There is so much to fix in the current game I honestly wish that they would just slow down on their updates and focus on the bug fixes and small changes to get the game more polished. All these large patches do is cause more problems with game mechanics.

Side note: I could care less about yellow gear. The first full set that I crafted taught me to never do that again. The extra stats are so marginal in compared to purple and blue gear there is zero reason to use or buy any mats on legendary.

Raeder

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

They have greatly increased the exp gain from PVP and PVP quests, it should only take people a week to hit V14 from straight PVP. SO you dont have to PVE or grind. Just play PVP and the V12 to V14 probaly wont even be a noticable difference

Back in 1.2, when you were grinding shard bosses, you got 30k from a single boss, 60k if you were lucky.

That's roughly 30 - 60 player kills... solo kills, not group kills. It will take a hell of lot longer to do than you think, especially with how horribly designed the pvp quests are.

PS. I've completed 1 capture keep quest in 4 months... they are that dumb.