Where are we running? What's the rush?

Tapio75

Tonight when i played, i was having nostalgic memories of old computer games and even from early MMORPG, games and begin wondering..

Once in very first games and many years after that, there was not even an option to run, there was enough time to go anywhere and take the time to solve puzles and stuff like that. Admire scenery, you name it. These days i included just run run run, why? Where are we foing with such a rush? Cant we jhust take our time and take it slow, instead of running from place a to b to c doing quests as fast as we can? In every game when i try to slow down and walk, i just continue to running and i have no rush to nowhere, yet it seems like i do have a terrible rush. When ever i slow down, i tend to find more sidequests, more stuff to gather, more to see and more to do.

So whats the rush that we even have to ride horses to houses and do fast travel instead just going on roads or exploring the forests, why even the super speed that is today, it never is enough?

SirAndy

It appears that for many the goal of the game is to get to the end game as fast as possible. I for one enjoy the journey.
;-)

Pristia

I like to take it slow as well, I have been playing since the 3 day early access and my main is level 32 with a level 22 alt and a few level 3-12 bank alts and what not, I don't see the point in rushing to end game and then complaining that there is nothing to do, kinda silly imo.

kimboh

I run when I'm doing quests or chores like banking, it's being efficient.
When I want to admire the scenery I stop , smell the roses, then carry on running.

timidobserver

You can walk if you want to? Why does it matter what everyone else does.

Fleymark

I always love these posts.

OP, the first 500 times I saw the Daggerfall market running from the wayshrine to the bank I enjoyed. Now I ride my horse that I paid 42k for and fed daily for a month. I just spent the better part of about 5 weeks stuck at two levels in an alt farming the blue provisioning recipes up to level 25 and now need to level again to do the next batch. Forgive me if I don't find the need to crawl through locales I've seen a thousand times since April on my way to do so.

And to no one in particular here in this thread, (I've just seen a lot of attitude from the "take your time types in general here) getting things done isn't "a rush to endgame." How about we all play the game our way and spare everyone the sanctimony, eh? I don't see people who truly did rush to top end starting at early access giving people who, apparently, waste inordinate amounts of time while playing a hard time so how about extending the same courtesy?

I've never seen a MMO that, simultaneously, requires so little player interaction yet seems to attract more people concerned about how others play the game.

It's ridiculous. Play your game. Let others play theirs.

SirAndy

Fleymark wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Play your game. Let others play theirs.

Nobody told you you couldn't. The OP was simply asking a question ...
;-)

Tapio75

I in no way meant this to be offensive towards anyone, just something that i thought of.

I for one seem to suffer of artificial rush of somekind, i dont want things to be done with and i certainly dont want to be efficient. Efficiency to me is something that makes world go bad in some ways and i dont want tp bring it with me to the game, yet i seem to do that.

Today i made a new character, i promised myself that this time when going all the way from daggerfall covenant quests, i walk while not in road, sneak in hostile zones and try to act naturally. Walk when i normally would walk, run like i can in real life, just as long a real human can run. On roads i will mostly use horse if i am on chores and again walk when not riding. Never ride in towns and only sprint in case of real need like near death
Hopefully i can whip some rush off from myself this way and see stuff i missed out last time (:

This question however, is much more interesting in our real lives as i see the same rush basically happening everyday and those people certainly dont look very happy I dont believe that there is real rush anywhere but the artificial we impose on ourselves.

PS: Regardung endgame.. This is noy a question nor do i want to express distaste but only true curiosity. What is so nice in Craglorn that someone really needs to get there fast.. Or VR levels which are just questing like all other thus far. In other games people rush to newest raid as endgame.. Or endgame as daily quests that they do week after week.. This to me feels more like work as it is just as work but even more repetitive than normal everyday work. I truly and honestly have no idea whatsoever why someone wants to rush to do that. I dont want them to stop doing what they supposedly enjoy, i just dont understand it

PPS: Think how litle time really riding a horse in to house and riding it besides to house takes or just running from wayshrine to bank. It feels like cars passing other cars, yet they are almost at the same time in the end of the road with no real advantage. I just wish you think it for a moment, i dont want to impose it to you but i just wish people to think.

SirenofEntropy

Fleymark wrote: »

I always love these posts.

OP, the first 500 times I saw the Daggerfall market running from the wayshrine to the bank I enjoyed. Now I ride my horse that I paid 42k for and fed daily for a month. I just spent the better part of about 5 weeks stuck at two levels in an alt farming the blue provisioning recipes up to level 25 and now need to level again to do the next batch. Forgive me if I don't find the need to crawl through locales I've seen a thousand times since April on my way to do so.

And to no one in particular here in this thread, (I've just seen a lot of attitude from the "take your time types in general here) getting things done isn't "a rush to endgame." How about we all play the game our way and spare everyone the sanctimony, eh? I don't see people who truly did rush to top end starting at early access giving people who, apparently, waste inordinate amounts of time while playing a hard time so how about extending the same courtesy?

I've never seen a MMO that, simultaneously, requires so little player interaction yet seems to attract more people concerned about how others play the game.

It's ridiculous. Play your game. Let others play theirs.

Even as a "take it slow type", I very much agree with you. Everyone should play the way they see fit, the way they have the most fun. The only time I personally tell somebody to "slow down" is when I see people sitting at vet ranks complaining about how they have nothing to do. Those people probably should have slowed down a bit. You know, the type that makes a new character, grinds their way up to vet 12 in two weeks, and then feels empty and lost because they don't know where to take their character from there. If, however, someone thoroughly enjoys PvP and vet-level endgame stuff such as Craglorn, then they should rush to the end as they see fit.

Sometimes I think that the people who get really self-righteous about the speed at which others play the game are probably just feeling jealous or left out because they themselves aren't to the end yet.

Reiterpallasch

I actually saw someone out questing walking once. Not running, not sprinting, not riding their horse. Walking. They were mid 20s around Tal'Deic Fortress in Deshaan. I couldn't help but think that it must have taken them months to get to that level, let alone the better part of a day to even get out that far to begin with.

According to a lot of the "y u rush so much hurrdur" people, they must have been having more fun than anyone else in the game possibly ever will.

MonkeyD00

I actually started doing this the other day. Walking around the towns instead of running from A to B to C. so relaxing. And I've also taken to walking my horse around (and used my first add-on...allowing your weapons/shields to be visible while riding.)

Since I'm in no rush to get to endgame..seeing as I have no interest in that, I'd rather just prolong my 1-50 levels (on all my various characters).

I grouped with a random player the other day for a couple quests (first time grouping outside a dungeon), and while it was nice and friendly, I realized I like it better playing the quests on my own (and just interacting with random players from time to time). I felt rushed going thru the NPC dialogue, with this other player waiting for me.

I just like the exploring/lore/seeing people's characters/etc. This is the gameplay for me, and I enjoy it immensely. (I also realize it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm just glad I can approach this game how I want to.)

MorrisAO

I completely agree with the OP.

So much to see and do in this game. Playing in the Aldemeri Dominion section Kenarthi's Roost area - that whole area is matts heavy, and I see so many people go flying by in a rush missing all the chests and nodes (I've got to know where most of them are but I'm sure there's a few I don't know about yet ). They are in such a rush that they miss so much. I've played and enjoyed many MMOs and I've never seen the point of rushing to end game, but that's what some people enjoy so that's no criticism. Each to their own.

Kreetar

I'm not running for the fun of it. I'm hauling ass to get away from enemies I got a little too close to.

Obscure

SirAndy wrote: »

It appears that for many the goal of the game is to get to the end game as fast as possible. I for one enjoy the journey.
;-)

The journey?! Doesn't everyone just load up a movie, fast forward to the end, then immediately go trash talk it on the internet!? Come on now, who attempts to be entertained by entertainment products? That's just silly! Just get to the end and demand a sequel!


/sarcasm

GnatB

I have to disagree.

Early games had a run, they didn't have a walk.

That taken care of, I agree with your sentiment of enjoying the journey. However that has nothing to do with a run button. I can enjoy the journey just as much running from point A to point B as I can walking. I'm still experiencing the journey.

(Note: I have a horse, but I still tend to run most of the time. I do lots of harvesting on the way from point A to point B, and the mount/dismount animations make it feel like using my horse has too much downtime.)

eliisra

I for one never understood how some people can enjoy "the journey" for bloody years and be totally smug about it.

Do they play 10 minutes a day or something? How slow can you be? No-lifers like myself can't compute.

But I'm sure they're perfect customer for a gaming company. No need for new content, end-game instances and updates, developers can just point at "the journey" when people ask for stuff to do.

I always run out of PvE content a few weeks after expansions or bigger updates. I do take my time to experience everything I paid for, I'm even a "Tamriel Hero" and a master flowerpicker, to prove it. But there's still no such thing as infinite content. The End. Guess that's why is like PvP, you never run out of suicide missions.

rrood41828

When I walk, I get whispered a lot asking how I am able to do that. Apparently, many people don't realize that the option is there.

seaef

Fleymark wrote: »

I always love these posts.
And to no one in particular here in this thread, (I've just seen a lot of attitude from the "take your time types in general here) getting things done isn't "a rush to endgame." How about we all play the game our way and spare everyone the sanctimony, eh? I don't see people who truly did rush to top end starting at early access giving people who, apparently, waste inordinate amounts of time while playing a hard time so how about extending the same courtesy?

That's a great idea and I'll do that...as soon as you "rush to the end game" people STFU and stop e-peening on the forums about how far along you are, all your server firsts, and how you have the best gear. When you extend the same courtesy, so will I scooter.

ItsMeToo

I have an alt that walks everywhere. When riding his horse, it walks. No running ever. Dungeons... walks. He solos everything. Almost level 10 now.

My main is VR3 and walks about 10% of the time. This is my zoom zoom character. Even thou she has a horse, it's faster that she runs and more fun. She is a rank 10 vampire with a lot of speed.

Evergnar

I just do what the NPC's tell me, "Hurry!!!" "You must go quickly!" "There's no time to waste" "You must hurry!!!"

Fleymark

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

I always love these posts.
And to no one in particular here in this thread, (I've just seen a lot of attitude from the "take your time types in general here) getting things done isn't "a rush to endgame." How about we all play the game our way and spare everyone the sanctimony, eh? I don't see people who truly did rush to top end starting at early access giving people who, apparently, waste inordinate amounts of time while playing a hard time so how about extending the same courtesy?

That's a great idea and I'll do that...as soon as you "rush to the end game" people STFU and stop e-peening on the forums about how far along you are, all your server firsts, and how you have the best gear. When you extend the same courtesy, so will I scooter.

For the record, I bought the early access but didn't start playing for a few weeks. My main got to 50 in less than a month and has taken an age and a day to get to v5. I've more than taken my time at vet levels and have started alts. I do a lot of crafting too.

So I'm pretty much on the fence personally, but I havent seen a single person come to these boards flashing epeen or acting superior to anyone. Not once. It could have happened, I just havemt seen it. I'm on these boards quite a bit tho. What I do see a lot of are people who don't "rush to endgame" throwing a lot of attitude, sanctimony, and quite often outright venom at those who do. As well as pretty much anyone who does anything faster than them at all.

When I do see endgame players discussing their builds or abilities whathaveyou it's in a discussion about something related to endgame. A legitimate issue with content, builds, itimization, particular encounters etc ensues. Debate often follows. And in the middle of this a turd or three who have nothing to contribute to the conversation come in to point out to these poor unenlightened souls that it's all their own fault. Yes! Their fault for "rushing to endgame" and experiencing the broken content. If these misguided fools only played the way we, the self appointed enlightened, do and endlessly farted around at low levels and played emote pattycake with us it would forever be sunshine and rainbows!

It's ridiculous. Kidding aside, as someone who generally plays endgame a bit after the first pack or two in most games, I generally like the endgame gunners. They find all the broken stuff first, waste their time first, waste their gold first, figure out strats, etc and ultimately things go smoother for the rest of us when we get there. And, personally, I could care less how fast or slow anyone else levels. Yet, for some reason, this game attracts a particular type of gamer that feels superior by playing slowly and will tell you this every time they are presented with half a reason to.

Ive never seen the phrase "rush to endgame" used more in one place than here. Along with its cousins "elitist" and "forced grouping."

It's as if this game has brought all of the casuals out of the woodwork and something in the water has them in full revolt or something. Lol

Scooter

SirJesto

I never run in town. I was stressed out enough in the wilderness....

SirAndy

Fleymark wrote: »

It's as if this game has brought all of the casuals out of the woodwork and something in the water has them in full revolt or something. Lol

Probably because this isn't the first game in the TES series. And not surprisingly, none of the previous ones were MMOs.

I personally think a lot of people that came from other MMOs and had little exposure to earlier TES games underestimated the amount of "casual" players this game would attract.

And i'm using "casual" in quotes here because while i do consider myself a casual player, don't mistake that for lack of skill or willingness to experience difficult content.


But what is even more telling is the fact that the PO did not, in any way, attack anyone who *does* run through the game, nor did he tell anyone how he thought they ought to play the game.

Yet, people respond to this thread as if he had.
This one thinks that is curious, yes?

Nox_Aeterna

Well , not everybody got an interest in going slowly , im quite happy running fast.

You can go slowly yourself ofc , i dont mind passing by people that are slower than me :P.

Royalroacho

Fleymark wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Play your game. Let others play theirs.

I don't think theyre demanding the removal of the sprinting button, or horses, or telling you how to play...

http://i.word.com/idictionary/rhetoric

I bought a horse, but never use it. Except as a status symbol. I wish you could buy spinner rims to attach on their ankles.

Kcttocs

Yea, why not walk 25 miles to work everyday too? I drive because I can.

Sonja

I have vr 10 dk and vr 12 nb, i did 100% of content and achievements in each of alliances zones, i rushed and i am happy for it. It lets me experiment with all cool dyes i have unlocked, doing trials, using legendary gear, playing pvp etc etc. "people who take it slow" don't have a single advantige over me. I read each quest, i know the story and when / if i feel the need to walk aroud looking at scenery i can do so but in the end of the day i am "expansion ready". When all cool updates come i will be able to jump right in and experience them all while "people who take it slow" will still be grinding through their first alliance and then re-doing it on alts..... For me there is no joy of being so slow that it takes me half a year or year just to get to last lvl so i can be competitive. Just my opinion.

Elad13

To the op. I used to like exploring but there's no reason to...it's not like you are going to find something cool or better gear or awesome loot...so I ask what's the point in walking? It's not like the scenery is less dynamic. It's not like your going to miss a location...it's not like you can walk into a castle and find some long forgotten chest with Legendary gear in it...or some sword with 2 epic traits...it's not like you walk into some hidden cave under a waterfall that is not already on the map. It's not like npcs have some awesome story to tell or some hidden quest....so why would anyone choose to walk and make a complaint about everyone running and riding horses? Is it some cool factor now to claim "I've been playing since beta and only level 30? If you ask me anyone that's been on since beta and doesn't have a vet level toon is just clueless on how to do quests. Or just farming mats and motifs to make gold.

RedMiniStapler

I have a habit of let my characters run , it's not because I wanna take my time looking at sceneries or anything, but I just simply forget to mount, and about halfway to the destination I realize "what the hell am doin? I can get there faster with my mount! And use my horse.

SirenofEntropy

Sonja wrote: »

I have vr 10 dk and vr 12 nb, i did 100% of content and achievements in each of alliances zones, i rushed and i am happy for it. It lets me experiment with all cool dyes i have unlocked, doing trials, using legendary gear, playing pvp etc etc. "people who take it slow" don't have a single advantige over me. I read each quest, i know the story and when / if i feel the need to walk aroud looking at scenery i can do so but in the end of the day i am "expansion ready". When all cool updates come i will be able to jump right in and experience them all while "people who take it slow" will still be grinding through their first alliance and then re-doing it on alts..... For me there is no joy of being so slow that it takes me half a year or year just to get to last lvl so i can be competitive. Just my opinion.

I wouldn't consider what you've done to be "rushing" since you actually took the time to complete the achievements and do all the quests. I think when people speak of rushing they mean people who just grind their way up to vet 12 as fast as they can without actually bothering with achievements, reading the quest dialogue, or finding/clearing all the locations on each map. Which in itself is ok if they're just trying to max out their level so they can PvP or whatever.

In your specific case it just sounds like you've probably been playing since the early release days and perhaps had more time than others to actually play the game.

My main character right now is level 43, but I've only had the game for one month. So far, in the zones I've been through, I've completed every quest, gotten every achievement, found every skyshard, etc. Some people might call it rushing to get to level 43 in a month, while others may find that a slow pace. I certainly don't FEEL as though I've rushed through anything.

I try to take things a bit slow, but not out of any sanctimonious sense of a "right way to play", but more out of fear that once I've experienced everything the game might not seem as exciting anymore. So, I'm trying to draw it out a bit. :P

HeroOfEvbof

I run. I almost never ride my horse. I only do so in cities that I know dont have enough harvest nodes.
When I run, my character zigs and zags. I take three strides to the left and then three strides to the right. I have 3/3 keen eye for alchemy and clothing but only 1/3 for blacksmithing and no keen eye for woodworking or enchanting. Those things I really have to keep my eyes peeled and my head on a swivel.
I am very, very attentive to the audio cues. If you want to spot a beggar out on the roads for the Giving Alms achievement or spot the people that need help with a campfire, the audio cues are far more helpful than the visual cues.
Nonetheless I run. My senses are wide open, my screen is swiveling and dialogue volume is maxed. I harvest the obvious animals but I also chase torchbugs and butterflies, I am constantly on the lookout for snakes.
I see and process everything, but I don't have to do so at a walk. Running allows me to close with targets. Any mob standing alone is a target. Any two mobs standing together is something I want to run around and keep running if I break their aggro bubble.
I play every single day and have since March 31. I am only vet5 and the whole idea of end game has no meaning to me. But I simply find no reason to walk. That log off to my left isnt going to chop itself. That torchbug off to my right means that I've got to get to both that log and that torchbug. There are some beautiful zones where there are five or six plants near each other. Pick, stride, pick, repeat.
The only time I seem to move slowly is when I am strafing left or strafing right in order to loot a chain of barrels in a dungeon. If you see five barrels in a line, that's usually three loot opportunities plus you will likely see some sacks. Those bandit dungeons are full of food mats.
So I run. As my toon bends sown to pick a plant or a rune, I spin the mouse to look around. If I am running a sorc pet, I will often let it fight a wolf or a skeever and spin the mouse to look.