Vet 5 NPC in non vet campaign?

Kronosphere

really fun in that one getting demolished in 2 hits when a mage even looks in your general direction at keeps. this seems a bit silly to me please nerf the npcs to level 50 for that campaign

KariTR

Vet5 is level 50

Kronosphere

KariTR wrote: »

Vet5 is level 50

your either misinformed or trolling. please clarify which one

vet 1 is level 50

firstdecan

Kronosphere wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Vet5 is level 50

your either misinformed or trolling. please clarify which one

vet 1 is level 50

Both are technically correct, the Vet rank system is different than the levelling system, but it's off topic for the intent of the thread. VR5s are tougher than VR1s \ Lev 50s, I'm surprised Zeni didn't tone that down for the non-vet campaign.

I believe one of Zeni's original intentions was that resources could be taken by a fairly small group (4-6), whereas a keep would require a larger group (10-12). Both assume there is no defense other than NPCs.

I haven't tried the non-vet campaign yet, I've been meaning to though. It's interesting to know that the difficulty hasn't been scaled. It should be easy enough for them to do, it's a 5 day campaign.

Xexpo

You need a small army to get anything done on the non-vet campaign.
It's garbage.

Mitharus

kaer426 wrote: »

You need a small army to get anything done on the non-vet campaign.
It's garbage.

No... You don't need a small army. 6 or so non-vet should be able to take a resource, if they were working together (going slower, pulling single guards, etc...).

Unfortunately, from what I've experienced, that isn't the case. It seems to be more of a rush in, pull everything in the area, see who, if anyone, is left standing from the mess.

-M

Merlin13KAGL

It's not so much that VR1 is level 50, but that L50 is VR1.

As long as battle leveling is on, it's still very manageable, just not solo-able.

You can't run in the middle of the mix like you can in PvE.

I think the Dev's main intention here wasn't to make Cyrodiil a pushover with non-vet campiagns, but rather to eliminate the chance of getting stomped on by passing VR12's when visiting.

If you consider that an issue, consider that with the Vet only campaigns, the VR1's (same as your battle leveled L50) not only have to contend with the same VR5 NPC's, but are once again at the bottom of the food chain in the VR1-VR12 ranks!

You simply can't go into Cyrodiil with the same mindset and method as what worked well in PvE.

Kronosphere

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's not so much that VR1 is level 50, but that L50 is VR1.

As long as battle leveling is on, it's still very manageable, just not solo-able.

You can't run in the middle of the mix like you can in PvE.

I think the Dev's main intention here wasn't to make Cyrodiil a pushover with non-vet campiagns, but rather to eliminate the chance of getting stomped on by passing VR12's when visiting.

If you consider that an issue, consider that with the Vet only campaigns, the VR1's (same as your battle leveled L50) not only have to contend with the same VR5 NPC's, but are once again at the bottom of the food chain in the VR1-VR12 ranks!

You simply can't go into Cyrodiil with the same mindset and method as what worked well in PvE.

you enire defence of this mistake they made falls to pieces when i remind you battle level doesnt mean crap when your rolling with level 10-40 armor ratings and hp potions and get 2 hitted by a healer npc. it IS a problem. this thread is even attempting to debate that. nor is it trying to debate the earth is round.

its already been stated you need a significantly larger force to take a farm for example in this than you do in the normal campaigns

Publius_Scipio

Yes this has been mentioned before. They should either bring down the level of the enemy NPC or bring everyone's stats up to VR 5.

KariTR

Kronosphere wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Vet5 is level 50

your either misinformed or trolling. please clarify which one

vet 1 is level 50

Because you asked me to clarify:

It doesn't matter if you are VR1 or VR12; in game the max level is level 50. Levels in game go from Level 1 to Level 49, then Level 50, VR1 to Level 50, VR12.

Ergo, you can't nerf something to L50 when it is already L50. I wasn't trolling, simply pointing out your error.

Which isn't to say that NPCs in the non-vet zone don't need tweaking - I have no experience of that zone, but do know that Resource and Keep NPCs in the Vet campaign are pretty beastly too. They need to be to fit their purpose.

Kronosphere

id say u stop using levels after u hit vet. i mean. find me anywhere in the game where it states level 50? eg character sheets etc after you hit vr1.

and regardless you knew exactly what i ment you only chimmed in to be a trolling smart ass to get attention.

KariTR

Right, which may excuse why you incorrectly though VR5 ranked enemy didn't have an underlying level of fifty. It doesn't mean they are not L50 though, so I helpfully pointed that out.

And politely clarified, as you asked me to. Don't shoot the messenger.

Kronosphere

KariTR wrote: »

Right, which may excuse why you incorrectly though VR5 ranked enemy didn't have an underlying level of fifty. It doesn't mean they are not L50 though, so I helpfully pointed that out.

And politely clarified, as you asked me to. Don't shoot the messenger.

sparta kicks are ok tho right? =D

crislevin

All vet are indeed considered level 50. As you progress in the silver and gold zones, you will notice all quests are listed as level 50, and all in yellow font.

I don't know there are much difference in level 50 and v5 npc, the latter probably has 75 more health, 50 more Magicka, not a lot.

Kronosphere

crislevin wrote: »

All vet are indeed considered level 50. As you progress in the silver and gold zones, you will notice all quests are listed as level 50, and all in yellow font.

I don't know there are much difference in level 50 and v5 npc, the latter probably has 75 more health, 50 more Magicka, not a lot.

u assume NPC level like player characters. blah u know what forget it! i give up. trying to have meaningful discussion here but the entire ____ing thread is now hijacked by some stupid and non meaningful debate on level 50/veteran. which regardless of the answer is irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. Zenimax feel free to delete all of my and the other peoples posts excluding the few who were on topic *rolls eyes*

it doesnt MATTER if you are "technically" still level 50. for all intents and purposes related to this topic (stats, softcaps, max gear level/damage/armor) veteran levels are not the same as simply being level 50 with no vet levels. stop wasting my time

if you wanna play the nit picky trouble maker then you can say i said "nerf the npcs to level 50 for that " and not "nerf the npcs to level 50 veteran rank x for that"

superfluke

OP has a valid point, a campaign obviously designed for lower level players.
But no let's show how smart we are and whip out the ol semantics club.

So yeh, devs make a campaign strictly for non vets, maybe they could dial back the environmental challenges too.