Guild store kiosks

martinhpb16_ESO

So I admit that I am a supporter of a global AH.

Ok so I finally found some guild kiosks.

I had to put in the search for what I was looking for 3 separate times and none of them had it.

So now I have to skip all over Tamriel, find the kiosks and do the search each time, making a mental note of who has what until I find the best deal?

People really think this is better than a global AH?

Just to find a vet12 ring with stamina at the best price.

Really?

martinhpb16_ESO

So in my quest for this ring I visited 20 guild kiosks across 5 locations plus my own 2 main trading guilds and had to do the search 22 times. Guild number 17 got it. Prices ranged from 5000 to 800 for a blue ring.

I can see this getting to be very tiring very quickly.

Also, how does a guildmaster know if it is worthwhile doing it? Is there a record of external sales?

In my journey to find guild kiosks I saw about 3 other people using them.

It may help to have them all in one place for a faction and also for the search to save so you dont have to type it in again and again.

Even so the experience was not fun.

The great thing about a global AH si finding exactly what you need straight away and it makes browsing easy.

Seriously for me, above anything else, the only aspect of this game that really has me unhappy is the now even fiddlier guild store system.

The lag, bugs etc I can live with but trading in this game really frustrates me.

Absynthe

I didn't realize those kiosks were actually selling stuff. haha

FlyingPenguin

Well for me the kiosk is a great idea. It leaves it open to the public while at the same time not killing the economy like a AH would. As in i can sell my stuff at market value with out having to worry so much for someone out there selling it well below market price just because they don't want the item. First day alone our guild made alot of extra income from the kiosk. Me personally made well over 100k in a day from it. Not to say i have expensive items listed and stacks of improvement mats on there as well. This could be a tiresome thing if your all about wanting the best deal and dont wanna just spend the gold to get what u want.

OrangeTheCat

Yeah OP, it sucks. Buying and selling is such a chore in this game. I really wish ZOS would just listen to their player base on this one. If we had an AH I'd quit all but one of my guilds since the only, ONLY, reason why I am in more than one is to have access to more guild stores.

Badh0rse

I only have one word to describe the current state of "the market". I do have to say it many times though ........ suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck! The worst part is that is not nearly enough sucks to explain exactly how bad it actually sucks!

Badh0rse

suck

KariTR

Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love,


Love.

TehMagnus

It rocks because it will force players to fight for the best spots & make sure that there are enough things for sale in them. Guilds in important/most visited places will be the most prized ones and people will fight to get in it to sell their stuff.

The point of this is to (once again) make players work together & work for it.

Which is allways a NONO for those who think they can solo play an MMO.

FlyingPenguin

Agreed magnusnet. Idk how people think the market sux either. I made millions in this market quick. Personally Selling in this game is easy. Its not like we have to go to the kiosk to list items. IDK Its a opinion thing i guess. Some will like it some wont. But it is here to stay so mite as well get used to it. Cause there will not be a AH. At least not for a long long time. AS ZOS stated no AH will be added to this game. Correct me if I am wrong as I could be on that.

martinhpb16_ESO

To all those people that say it is a good idea, have you used the kiosks?

Will people really be bothered to visit so many guild kiosks across so many towns to do the search each and every time again?

Is there a way to know what was sold via a kiosk?

KariTR

Yes.

Yes

and Yes

FlyingPenguin

Yes I have used it a lot since it came out.
Yes some will but you don't have to go traveling to all of them just to find this supposed best deal.
And Yes we can see all transactions from kiosks.

Weberda

I used the Kiosks in Riften on Wednesday and spent over 2,000g for some items to instantly upgrade some of my dropped set gear. For a non-guildie I think it's a very good system.

sargon666777b14a_ESO

Personally I hope they never put an AH in the game.. The market is actually worth something.. In GW2 for instance you can buy a crafted item cheaper than crafting it yourself, and even large amounts of farming produce little to no profit. With this system if you are the person selling whatever is needed and happy to be in the right zone then you can actually turn a reasonable profit.

I agree though that the actual search at the guild stores needs a lot of work.

FlyingPenguin

Yes Adding a AH would kill this market making every thing worth well nothing.
Then we would have people complaining gold is to hard to get , or I cant make anything off my items cause people are underselling me.
You have to look at the real outcome of adding or removing something the good and bad.
AH would make searching through all guilds and items faster.
But kill market.
End result FAIL.

Kiosk makes finding stuff a little bit harder but just kill along the way or quest till u get to that area.
Keeps market healthy.
End result Succeed

jambam817_ESO

Oooh, so different Kiosks host different guild stores? Got it... I thought it could all be accessed by one Broker.

That explains why the one i found last night was owned by "X Raided" and had 0 items, zip, NONE.

TehMagnus

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

To all those people that say it is a good idea, have you used the kiosks?

Will people really be bothered to visit so many guild kiosks across so many towns to do the search each and every time again?

Is there a way to know what was sold via a kiosk?

Since guild patch, I've sold for 80K gold of items in Craglorn's Kiosk near the town.

I know I will probably never use the Kiosks because I make my own potions/food, I have sellers for my flowers, I have Guildmates who can craft me sets & runes and I loot the gear I wear as for the legendary tempers (only thing I could be interested in buying), I wont look actively for them and will buy them from people who use /w.

System looks fine to me, I actually play with other players 8).

FlyingPenguin

Yup, Each kiosk is owned by a different guild.

FlyingPenguin

magnusnet wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

To all those people that say it is a good idea, have you used the kiosks?

Will people really be bothered to visit so many guild kiosks across so many towns to do the search each and every time again?

Is there a way to know what was sold via a kiosk?

Since guild patch, I've sold for 80K gold of items in Craglorn's Kiosk near the town.

I know I will probably never use the Kiosks because I make my own potions/food, I have sellers for my flowers, I have Guildmates who can craft me sets & runes and I loot the gear I wear as for the legendary tempers (only thing I could be interested in buying), I wont look actively for them and will buy them from people who use /w.

System looks fine to me, I actually play with other players 8).

exactly

OrangeTheCat

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

To all those people that say it is a good idea, have you used the kiosks?

Will people really be bothered to visit so many guild kiosks across so many towns to do the search each and every time again?

Is there a way to know what was sold via a kiosk?

I've been to a few that are near by. But no way in hell I am going to travel around Tamriel, from kiosk to kiosk. I spend way too much time managing banking as it is.

Badh0rse

How the!@#! does not liking guild stores mean you don't like to play with other people?!?! I love to play with others ... but can't play with them as much now because it takes me 2 hrs to go to the AH. Get a frakkin clue and don't leap to such absurd conclusions. The system is stupid and geared towards welfare people who spend 18 hours a day in an mmo. ..... See how I just jumped to that stupid conclusion?! Doesn't that make me sound smart?

AlnilamE

I've checked out the ones I've seen. Because this week people could just walk up and book them for a flat fee, some of them had better things than others (seriously, trying to sell junk items for 12g when all you can do is sell them to a vendor for 4g is hilarious). Once we've gone through a couple of cycles where guilds have actually bid on traders and have an idea of how much gold they bring in, I think the items will stabilize in price and you will see more competition, because people will be able to check what the guilds right next to their vendor are selling stuff for.

Badh0rse

FlyingPenguin wrote: »

Agreed magnusnet. Idk how people think the market sux either. I made millions in this market quick. Personally Selling in this game is easy. Its not like we have to go to the kiosk to list items. IDK Its a opinion thing i guess. Some will like it some wont. But it is here to stay so mite as well get used to it. Cause there will not be a AH. At least not for a long long time. AS ZOS stated no AH will be added to this game. Correct me if I am wrong as I could be on that.

How many of their decisions have been stupid though? They know they have made some good and bad choices ... they admit the bad after they try it and fail. Then they fix it. I am hoping this is another example of that. I will not be surprised if it stays as is though .... like I said I am less than inspired by some of their ideas on what should and shouldn't be in an MMO. They do just enough right to keep me here .... I keep hoping they get better at making "mmo" choices verses glorified single player choices.... time will tell and I like the game just enough to give them that time.

KariTR

Badh0rse wrote: »

How the!@#! does not liking guild stores mean you don't like to play with other people?!?! I love to play with others ... but can't play with them as much now because it takes me 2 hrs to go to the AH. Get a frakkin clue and don't leap to such absurd conclusions. The system is stupid and geared towards welfare people who spend 18 hours a day in an mmo. ..... See how I just jumped to that stupid conclusion?! Doesn't that make me sound smart?

Well, not everyone says that. Just saying.

I like that visiting the kiosks mimic going to a real bazaar, but I get that isn't everyone's idea of fun. Oh and then you have the random kiosks at the side of a road near a wayshrine...it's a 2 minute stop to browse on my way to a dungeon or some other adventure. I guess I am saying, use them as you would if you were shopping/window shopping in real life (I get that not everyone likes shopping irl also!).

BTW, in games with AHs there are tons of people who spend their whole game session sat at the 'kiosk'. The system we have is far more dynamic and once you know where and who to shop with, I think you will have a lot of fun with it. At the moment with kiosks being all but free, we still aren't getting the best of the system. Wait a week or two and I am sure there will be 'must visit' stores when you are looking for something specific.

FlyingPenguin

Badh0rse wrote: »

FlyingPenguin wrote: »

Agreed magnusnet. Idk how people think the market sux either. I made millions in this market quick. Personally Selling in this game is easy. Its not like we have to go to the kiosk to list items. IDK Its a opinion thing i guess. Some will like it some wont. But it is here to stay so mite as well get used to it. Cause there will not be a AH. At least not for a long long time. AS ZOS stated no AH will be added to this game. Correct me if I am wrong as I could be on that.

How many of their decisions have been stupid though? They know they have made some good and bad choices ... they admit the bad after they try it and fail. Then they fix it. I am hoping this is another example of that. I will not be surprised if it stays as is though .... like I said I am less than inspired by some of their ideas on what should and shouldn't be in an MMO. They do just enough right to keep me here .... I keep hoping they get better at making "mmo" choices verses glorified single player choices.... time will tell and I like the game just enough to give them that time.

It is really all personal opinion what one person likes another mite not.
Personally yes there are a few things i mite like to see changed.
But for me there are so much more things I think where done correctly.
We all have different ideas of what we want or like.

Elsonso

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

To all those people that say it is a good idea, have you used the kiosks?

Yes.

I am also intrigued by people who still refer to "Global Auction Houses" like there are oodles of real auctions that go on. Most times what I see is people just paying the buyout price because they need it now. They don't want to wait 2 days for the auction to end and hope no one comes up and pays the buyout price.

I am not opposed to the Auction House as much as I am opposed to the Global part of it. Stuff for sale or auction in Auridon should not also be for sale or auction in Grahtwood at the same time.

It might be cool to have non-global local auction houses in major cities where the "big guilds" can hold auctions for 7 days. Open each auction house to a few (10?) guilds each week and let them auction off their store stuff instead of running a kiosk. It would be even better if the auctions had no buyout prices, just to make things interesting.

The global auction house concept has been broken for a long time. What ESO is doing is how games with a global auction house should have done it in the first place.

OrangeTheCat

"You make it sound like your opinion is the only one that matters."

No, I don't. I say it like its the opinion of the player base. I believe it is the opinion of the player base because there have been many, many threads and polls on this topic that in my opinion makes it painfully obvious that most people *on these forums* would prefer an auction house.

Motavi

i have been in this game a very short while and i have only made one attempt to go out and browse the guild vendors. i love the idea of guild vendors done this way, i just don't like how spread out and randomly placed they are. for me personally ill just avoid em all unless i just happen into one and at that rate mostly everything is overpriced cause i am not doing any comparative shopping.

i am not spending time traveling all over to search for different markets nor am i going to join many guilds to do this, and that's another thing i have never liked in any game, multi-guilding.

i could see some set hubs across the lands with maybe a random spot attached to one of the main slots. so if yer guild gets a kiosk in the main town maybe they also get one beside wayshrine whatever. But its really no big deal as i am a big farmer and enjoy days of just gathering and killing.

i can see how others would def shy away from the game simply because of this, and to chastise ppl or offer one word answers to the issue like suck suck suck and like like like is just stupidity. And some common ground or ideas that can suit both would only make the game prosper!

traigusb14_ESO2

I'm interested in seeing where the hot spots are going to be. Right now the circle of vendors around the new wayshrine in Mournhold (EP) seems to be a nice spot.

Looking for a very specific ring is going to be tough.

rynth

Its a great system you have to travel around to look for the best prices........hmmmm seems legit to me. But, I guess lazy people wouldn't like the current system to me. with waypoints its not like you can't hit different stores up quickly