Raised Stamina & Weapon Soft Caps = Big Bow Damage Vs Light Armor

Kewljag_66_ESO

Have to say I am having alot fun with bow now after update 3. The 2 sec snipe change was really nice but this patch made it even better. I changed my spec around to stamina, running 2300+ stamina and 185 Weapon damage with Hunding's Set bonus. It is very effective single target damage. I am also a Bosmer NB with sneak attack bonus damage. (currently V11 in purple gear)

Since 80% of my targets wear dresses its not uncommon to land sneak attack snipe for 1800-1900 damage, follow up shots around 700 - 1100. Heavy armor users seem to take around 1000 and 500-600 follow up shots, but that also depends on if they have + armor jewelry. Currently i'm not even using Mark Target

Poison arrow is also doing up to 500 and the dot is putting out 500 damage and finishing people off now.

Picking your targets is also key, I like to catch that sorc from the side as he is casting shard. Also That DK in a dress charging in is fun to drop also.

I guess Bow is actually one of the few counters to light armor right now. If you don't like getting hit by arrows for that much damage or think its OP'd put on some actual armor.

EDIT I forgot to mention I also have the 13% weapon damage bonus from Flawless Dawnbreaker. If the target is a vamp they also take 9% more damage from FIghters Line

Gilvoth

"BIG weapon for BIG HERO!!"

thats what the Orc armorer in cryodiil said in the single player elderscrolls game callled "oblivion"
i disagree with your numbers because i know for a fact the bow is just not that powerfull. it Used to be more powerfull but it was nerfed, so, im sory i disagree with this thread.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"BIG weapon for BIG HERO!!"

thats what the Orc armorer in cryodiil said in the single player elderscrolls game callled "oblivion"
i disagree with your numbers because i know for a fact the bow is just not that powerfull. it Used to be more powerfull but it was nerfed, so, im sory i disagree with this thread.

So i just made all this up?

I'm basing my numbers off of the last 2 nights of PVP since the patch. Did you run my setup in the last 48 hours? have you tied a high stamina bow build since the patch with sneak attack bonus damage and shadow mundus? have you noticed in anyone in zone chat saying wtf ! Focus Aim for 1900 damage! I have, and i have also been doing it. Like i said it its big number are coming against targets in light armor with no + armor jewelry

Gilvoth

Kewljag_66_ESO wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"BIG weapon for BIG HERO!!"

thats what the Orc armorer in cryodiil said in the single player elderscrolls game callled "oblivion"
i disagree with your numbers because i know for a fact the bow is just not that powerfull. it Used to be more powerfull but it was nerfed, so, im sory i disagree with this thread.

So i just made all this up?

I'm basing my numbers off of the last 2 nights of PVP since the patch. Did you run my setup in the last 48 hours? have you tied a high stamina bow build since the patch with sneak attack bonus damage and shadow mundus? have you noticed in anyone in zone chat saying wtf ! Focus Aim for 1900 damage! I have, and i have also been doing it. Like i said it its big number are coming against targets in light armor with no + armor jewelry

no, but i know that i die very easy and the bow does the least damage to me out of all the damage weapons and magicka. and that has been ongoing.
i just dont see the bow doing more damage to me then before. just my opinion, doesnt mean its the same for all people.
(and btw im a nightblade and i dont like bows in eso cause they dont look like the very long and very powerfull daedric bows we saw in morrowind.) THOSE Bows would 1 shot a cliff racer!

Rylana

The OP's numbers are correct. I can gain the same (or near same) values as he can.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Numbers are correct, bosmer, nightblade, sneak attack plus snipe is lethal, and glade to here people actually have to wear appropriate.armor now is stead of bloody dresses

aco5712

Most I got was 1.5k and that happened after my 50 wep damage enchant proceed. I run 2.1k Stam and 206 wep damage base without sneak bonus. Does 200 Stam really give me another 300+...?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Snipe figures have jumped around the place each update. At the moment they're a little higher but all bow skills are because of the raised weapon damage cap.

But if you're getting a big head because you're killing people in PvP with you uber bow skills think again. It's bugged. The people you're popping don't know they're being hit until they're dead. There are small clues to give this away - like people lying on the ground dead with a full health bar.

Desdemonte

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Light armour finally has a drawback?

Renuo

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"BIG weapon for BIG HERO!!"

thats what the Orc armorer in cryodiil said in the single player elderscrolls game callled "oblivion"
i disagree with your numbers because i know for a fact the bow is just not that powerfull. it Used to be more powerfull but it was nerfed, so, im sory i disagree with this thread.

Lol you can 'disagree' but that won't alter facts. Bow is on par with sticks now.

Kewljag_66_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

Most I got was 1.5k and that happened after my 50 wep damage enchant proceed. I run 2.1k Stam and 206 wep damage base without sneak bonus. Does 200 Stam really give me another 300+...?

I also have 10% sneak attack damage from Bosmer, and 13% weapon damage from having Flawless Dawnbreaker slotted. Vamps also take 9% more damage

Kewljag_66_ESO

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Snipe figures have jumped around the place each update. At the moment they're a little higher but all bow skills are because of the raised weapon damage cap.

But if you're getting a big head because you're killing people in PvP with you uber bow skills think again. It's bugged. The people you're popping don't know they're being hit until they're dead. There are small clues to give this away - like people lying on the ground dead with a full health bar.

Yah i am excited how effective bow is but mainly wanted to share my build so others know there are setups that are strong besides dresses and sticks

Xsorus

i actually tried an Arcane Archer build with the last patch

7 light armor with Spell Pen on my Bow. On my DK it was pretty consistent 1500 damage Lethal Arrow hits with that.

if I was a Wood Elf Nightblade, i think I could probably break 1700 Lethal Arrow pretty easily.

aco5712

@Kewljag_66_ESO - i am a khajiit so i have the same bonus dmg, i also run flawless dawnbreaker and i also have fighters guild passives. Most i hit was 1.5k.

ThyIronFist

I really enjoy my two-handed and dual wield build atm as a DK, throwing Flying Blade at 7/7 light armour users for 7-900 crit. ^^

demonlkojipub19_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

Most I got was 1.5k and that happened after my 50 wep damage enchant proceed. I run 2.1k Stam and 206 wep damage base without sneak bonus. Does 200 Stam really give me another 300+...?

200 more Max stam gives more than 20 more wep damage yes...

Blazzin-Ace

I got 2.2k armor in my "dress" ohh wait I made a shirt instead(thank the heavens) Bow is to OP for pplz to be walking around with 900 armor anymore.

rob_aspinneb18_ESO

Hi Kewljag, Thanks or the post. I have a Bosmer NB archer,vet2 that I levelled from early game but temporarily retired til they improved stamina builds. I'd be interested to see what bars and stat distribution you run as well as equipment/ jewellery, enchants etc.

Cheers

Bramir

I've been getting mauled by archers the last few days, and the more I think about it the happier I am...there needs to be a reason to wear heavy armor.

c0rp

I agree. This is actually good for the game that bows are causing some chatter. The funny thing is, I still see people QQing that bows need to do more damage in some threads. What are these people smoking?

Kewljag_66_ESO

rob_aspinneb18_ESO wrote: »

Hi Kewljag, Thanks or the post. I have a Bosmer NB archer,vet2 that I levelled from early game but temporarily retired til they improved stamina builds. I'd be interested to see what bars and stat distribution you run as well as equipment/ jewellery, enchants etc.

Cheers

Currently my build is staminia heavy sniper but i still have alot of health and survivability and can still hold my own if i want to 1v1 and finish off in melee.

Currently for attributes I am 30 stamina, 10 magika, 9 health.

7 pieces medium armor. The 3 major pieces : chest, legs, helm i use infused for big health glyphs. the 4 minor pieces are impenatrable with stamina. Neclace is stamina with +weapon damage, both rings are stamina, 1 with +600 armor and 1 +600 magic resist. The rings ar also V10 purple PVP 2piece set for 4% weapon crit

3 armor pieces 2 daggers for Night's Silence Set so i have the big sneak speed boost with my daggers out, i also use concealed weapon for 25% more speed.

4 armor pieces + bow for Hunding's Rage Set so i get the big weapon damage buff with the bow out.

All my weapons have armor debuff proc and crit trait. For my bow hot bar i have Flawless Dawnbreaker equiped for 13% weapon damage. if i want to use mu ultimate i switch to daggers bar and use deathstroke stun morph or soul tether.

Currently V11 in purple gear with purple food buff, 2324 stamina, 1689 magika 2779 health. that will go up still when i hit v12 and get gold gear

NorthernFury

Rylana wrote: »

The OP's numbers are correct. I can gain the same (or near same) values as he can.

I agree; Bow has been doing significantly more damage to my LA sorc since the patch.

Persephonius

Renuo wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

"BIG weapon for BIG HERO!!"

thats what the Orc armorer in cryodiil said in the single player elderscrolls game callled "oblivion"
i disagree with your numbers because i know for a fact the bow is just not that powerfull. it Used to be more powerfull but it was nerfed, so, im sory i disagree with this thread.

Lol you can 'disagree' but that won't alter facts. Bow is on par with sticks now.

Not a fair comparison. There isn't a single 'stick' ability that can do more than about 700 damage to one target (unless maybe the target has a lot of HP where 13% would take of more than 700). The powerful 'stick' builds are generally restoration staff builds for the cycle of life passive which increases the damage of their class abilities. In a sense, a restoration staff build for dps, is a pure class build. So it would be better to say that the Bow is on par (or better) with magicka based 'class' builds.

Orchish

We had Nightblades almost 1 shotting our members with bow last night. It's become incredibly strong. Mainly because the bow causes the health bar to de-sync and we have no idea if we are near death or not.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Orchish wrote: »

We had Nightblades almost 1 shotting our members with bow last night. It's become incredibly strong. Mainly because the bow causes the health bar to de-sync and we have no idea if we are near death or not.

Id say the main reason is because people wear all light armor with no +armor jewelry because they are use to magic being the only thing doing damage. Compare it to heavy armor or medium with +armor jewelry at around 1900 armor and you will take about 40% less damage from bow attacks

Anastasia

c0rp wrote: »

I agree. This is actually good for the game that bows are causing some chatter. The funny thing is, I still see people QQing that bows need to do more damage in some threads. What are these people smoking?

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Most of them are not in the Vet levels. Heh, still plenty 'down' there.

LunaRae

I've been using the bow exclusively since 1.2 and the 1.3 changes have definitely improved. I still think a bow has fewer options compared to a stick but it's definitely improved over the recent patches. With the bow health-bar desync issue being fixed it'll be nice to continue killing players in PvP without them throwing up the defense of there being an active bug with bows.

Persephonius

LunaRae wrote: »

I've been using the bow exclusively since 1.2 and the 1.3 changes have definitely improved. I still think a bow has fewer options compared to a stick but it's definitely improved over the recent patches. With the bow health-bar desync issue being fixed it'll be nice to continue killing players in PvP without them throwing up the defense of there being an active bug with bows.

But isn't a bow, still a 'stick' . Well it is made from wood right?

LunaRae

Persephonius wrote: »

LunaRae wrote: »

I've been using the bow exclusively since 1.2 and the 1.3 changes have definitely improved. I still think a bow has fewer options compared to a stick but it's definitely improved over the recent patches. With the bow health-bar desync issue being fixed it'll be nice to continue killing players in PvP without them throwing up the defense of there being an active bug with bows.

But isn't a bow, still a 'stick' . Well it is made from wood right?

Touché

dbishop

LunaRae wrote: »

With the bow health-bar desync issue being fixed it'll be nice to continue killing players in PvP without them throwing up the defense of there being an active bug with bows.

I may be able to heal through it, move out of the way or something else. If the bow does indeed become a "sniper" class then I will have to wear something a little tougher.

semp3rfi

It makes sense for bows to rip light armour users a new one, gives other armour skills a chance. I used to play age of conan and got thoroughly sick of casters at some point. It hurt seeing the same in eso for the first few months. But they got time to sort it out.