Horse stamina totally worthless.

dietlime

Come on ZOS, what the ***?

Humor

Is that even a bug?

The way I see it is; the horses stamina meter is just a source of when you will get knocked off of your horse.

Even if it is a bug, I'd personally rather them leave it that way, I certainly would hate to have to slow down, just in order to regain full stamina for my horse in order to travel faster.

It's fine the way it is, let's not break a good thing.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO

If you have zero stamina left and you get hit, you will get dismounted. That is the main purpose. Also tapping the default sprint while sprinting eats stamina and gives a bit of a speed boost.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

If I remember correctly, I've heard the devs were going to add new types of mounts in the future and horses feature would be to be able to sprint even when out of stamina.

dietlime

I know exactly how the mechanic works. It's stupid and the tooltip needs to be changed. It says right there in-game stamina allows you to sprint longer. That is blatantly incorrect.

Because there is no way to QUANTIFY the gains from stamina, there is no point in investing in it. 20 points, what do I get? One hit? Two hits? Based on damage incoming? Type of damage? There is nothing, it's completely opaque.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have zero stamina left and you get hit, you will get dismounted. That is the main purpose. Also tapping the default sprint while sprinting eats stamina and gives a bit of a speed boost.

No it doesn't. I've timed it multiple times with Bandicam, you're experiencing a placebo effect due to the animation. Please stop spreading this, it's misinformation.

dietlime

At least let me re-spec the base value of the stamina horse for cosmetic reasons.

Seriously? nobody else finds it lame that every single person is using the same horse because the others will leave you falling behind and notably dead?

andre.roques.3b14_ESO

dietlime wrote: »

I know exactly how the mechanic works. It's stupid and the tooltip needs to be changed. It says right there in-game stamina allows you to sprint longer. That is blatantly incorrect.

Because there is no way to QUANTIFY the gains from stamina, there is no point in investing in it. 20 points, what do I get? One hit? Two hits? Based on damage incoming? Type of damage? There is nothing, it's completely opaque.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have zero stamina left and you get hit, you will get dismounted. That is the main purpose. Also tapping the default sprint while sprinting eats stamina and gives a bit of a speed boost.

No it doesn't. I've timed it multiple times with Bandicam, you're experiencing a placebo effect due to the animation. Please stop spreading this, it's misinformation.

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/239oro/sprint_gallop_horse_myth/

I'd need more info to concede. It seems to speed me up, as in, I have passed someone who otherwise appeared to be going the same speed while I only held the shift key. And others share this opinion.

And you're correct there is no easily quantitative way to tell if you will be dismounted other than zero stamina and then a hit gets you dismounted.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO

Actually, you are incorrect...
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2014/06/16/ask-us-anything-variety-pack-15

"Is it normal that a horse can continue to sprint even if it runs out of stamina? I think players don’t appreciate that trait, since it seems to do nothing. – Chris J.

Yes, horses can sprint indefinitely without consuming stamina. That said, stamina is still valuable for two other reasons: It protects you from being dismounted when attacked, and if you rapidly press the sprint key you will get big boosts of speed on your mount (but at a much higher stamina cost). Of note, only horse mounts have the endless sprint trait. Other upcoming mount types will have different special traits."

Please stop spreading misinformation.

dietlime

Then they need to change/buff the stamina trait on horses in some way, as I have been recording timed runs using the tap-to-sprint method and the difference is so small it would never stop a full speed horse player from catching you with a ranged attack.

I have one gaited, one draft, draft is max speed, gaited has 30 stamina.

If you're moving faster using fast-tap it's getting you less than a 1 second lead on someone just galloping using full speed, for sure. Then you run out of stamina and almost instantly lose that lead due to their speed, and as a nice bonus get dismounted since you just used all that stamina.

Also if these systems are going to be opaque, including no explanation whatsoever in game that's actually accurate; then they should be re-spec friendly.

daneyulebub17_ESO

dietlime wrote: »

I know exactly how the mechanic works. It's stupid and the tooltip needs to be changed. It says right there in-game stamina allows you to sprint longer. That is blatantly incorrect.

Because there is no way to QUANTIFY the gains from stamina, there is no point in investing in it. 20 points, what do I get? One hit? Two hits? Based on damage incoming? Type of damage? There is nothing, it's completely opaque.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have zero stamina left and you get hit, you will get dismounted. That is the main purpose. Also tapping the default sprint while sprinting eats stamina and gives a bit of a speed boost.

No it doesn't. I've timed it multiple times with Bandicam, you're experiencing a placebo effect due to the animation. Please stop spreading this, it's misinformation.

Starting together, even terrain, two equal horses, I tap, wife doesn't. I pull ahead.

ZoS has also commented that's expected behavior, as seen in the preceding post.

So, stamina has three purposes. 1.) Determines how easily you'll be dismounted. 2.) Tapping shift (and using stamina up) lets you sprint faster in bursts. 3.) Holding shift (without tapping) lets you go faster forever as long as you have stamina (ie, don't use it all up by getting hit or tapping shift).

It makes for a good play mechanic in that, when being chased, you not only can get knocked off, but can be slowed as your stamina is eaten away. And in long, safe runs, you can either lazily hold shift and take a slight speed penalty, or more actively tap shift judiciously if you're in a hurry.

I certainly hope they keep it the way it is!

dietlime

You don't pull ahead long enough or far enough to survive. There's no point. If you're being chased, you're going to be over-run, every time. Your "stamina" doesn't buy you anything but 3-5 extra seconds before they catch you, which on the scale of Cyrodiil is nothing.

I wonder what the other mounts will cost.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

dietlime wrote: »

I know exactly how the mechanic works. It's stupid and the tooltip needs to be changed. It says right there in-game stamina allows you to sprint longer. That is blatantly incorrect.

Because there is no way to QUANTIFY the gains from stamina, there is no point in investing in it. 20 points, what do I get? One hit? Two hits? Based on damage incoming? Type of damage? There is nothing, it's completely opaque.

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

If you have zero stamina left and you get hit, you will get dismounted. That is the main purpose. Also tapping the default sprint while sprinting eats stamina and gives a bit of a speed boost.

No it doesn't. I've timed it multiple times with Bandicam, you're experiencing a placebo effect due to the animation. Please stop spreading this, it's misinformation.

yes it does. Kicking in the sprint button gives you a greater boost of speed. I wish I could find the video of the devs confirming this, but I can't remember where I saw it. However, I have a speed/stamina hybrid mount and you are dead wrong.

On that mount, regularly pushing the sprint button, I have been able to keep up with sprinting faster mounts, until my stamina 2was gone.

Sharp

The intended mechanic is that you'll be dismounted if you have zero as well as the speed boost from hitting shift. Even at zero stam, I believe it's still possible to not get dismounted.

dietlime

It's been posted in the thread. Regardless, it's worthless. You'll run out of stamina so fast doing that they'll just catch up to you.

The difference needs to be greater.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

dietlime wrote: »

It's been posted in the thread. Regardless, it's worthless. You'll run out of stamina so fast doing that they'll just catch up to you.

The difference needs to be greater.

no it doesn't, it's fine. With my speed/stamina hybrid I can spam sprint for quite awhile. That's a horse with only half stamina, as opposed to say a full stamina horse.

Working as intended.

Pretext

Not as useful as the other options, but still useful.

dietlime

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

It's been posted in the thread. Regardless, it's worthless. You'll run out of stamina so fast doing that they'll just catch up to you.

The difference needs to be greater.

no it doesn't, it's fine. With my speed/stamina hybrid I can spam sprint for quite awhile. That's a horse with only half stamina, as opposed to say a full stamina horse.

Working as intended.

"quite awhile"

Not long enough to escape literally anything. They get to follow you an extra ~5 seconds then knock you off your horse as if you had 0 stamina.

Anything other than full speed is still a death sentence in pursuit.

Erock25

The fact is that stamina is totally useless on a horse.

Akula

You guys are using stamina wrong. Wait till your attacker dismounts then start sprinting. One hit won't knock you off your horse. All don't be always sprinting. Save som stam. That way you won't give a free stun to someone sneaking.

Obscure

Horse stamina has saved my ass more than once from opportunists looking for an easy gank. I've taken multiple attacks, remained in the saddle, and just rode off to heal up at a safe distance.

Those who think it's worthless haven't made an effort to make it worthwhile. Though once they come out with mounts that have magicka and wear light armor, the stamina build will no doubt be made underpowered as per the design intent of ESO.

Evergnar

Obscure wrote: »

Horse stamina has saved my ass more than once from opportunists looking for an easy gank. I've taken multiple attacks, remained in the saddle, and just rode off to heal up at a safe distance.

Those who think it's worthless haven't made an effort to make it worthwhile. Though once they come out with mounts that have magicka and wear light armor, the stamina build will no doubt be made underpowered as per the design intent of ESO.

Same. I can often take 2 or 3 hits on my black horse (50/50 stam/spd) where as my fast horse is instant dismount back flip.

Edit: This usually is the case when 1v1 or 1v2. Get ganked by more than that and dismounted quick no matter what you ride.

Evergnar

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