Nightblade - Haste ability

Kiljaz

Any news when this ability will work with bow attacks? Or is this just never going to happen?

aco5712

I have the morph Incapacitate and i can notice a difference in speed. Its not huge increase but there is an increase

Kiljaz

30% should be pretty noticeable. I'm not noticing any increase in speed with Haste.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

there is none, it will be fixed eventually. useless ability anyway imo.

zhevon

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

it will be fixed eventually

Words to live by.

butterfly442

If its not fixed after 1 major patch, consider it a feature.

redferne.requiemneb18_ESO

butterfly442 wrote: »

If its not fixed after 1 major patch, consider it a feature.

Don't worry they'll fix it... the tooltip...

pitdemon_ESO

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Tremulous

There is no glich with haste and bow. You'll need quite a lot of weapon speed to notice any change with the bow.

nerevarine1138

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Of course, for those of us who pay attention to the morph, the massive boost to stamina regen is well worth it. I have almost 100% uptime on all my stamina abilities because I keep Haste going at all times. Sure, it gives me some faster swings if I have to do regular attacks, but thanks to the regen boost, I rarely need to do those.

pitdemon_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Of course, for those of us who pay attention to the morph, the massive boost to stamina regen is well worth it. I have almost 100% uptime on all my stamina abilities because I keep Haste going at all times. Sure, it gives me some faster swings if I have to do regular attacks, but thanks to the regen boost, I rarely need to do those.

I'm at work, but on paper, you would regen about 320-ish stam per haste ability.
(80-ish softcapped stam regen *40% =32 stam per tick *10 ticks = 320)

This isn't factoring in reduction from softcap or changes in softcap from level, etc, but the numbers should be somewhat correct. I guess that would give it a place on someone's bar who used stamina abilities exclusively, but altogether still a sucky ability IMO.

[Will update with hard #s and a quick test when I can log in]

SirJesto

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Of course, for those of us who pay attention to the morph, the massive boost to stamina regen is well worth it. I have almost 100% uptime on all my stamina abilities because I keep Haste going at all times. Sure, it gives me some faster swings if I have to do regular attacks, but thanks to the regen boost, I rarely need to do those.

I'm at work, but on paper, you would regen about 320-ish stam per haste ability.
(80-ish softcapped stam regen *40% =32 stam per tick *10 ticks = 320)

This isn't factoring in reduction from softcap or changes in softcap from level, etc, but the numbers should be somewhat correct. I guess that would give it a place on someone's bar who used stamina abilities exclusively, but altogether still a sucky ability IMO.

[Will update with hard #s and a quick test when I can log in]

I was going to bypass this skill, but will wait to see what the numbers say first.

Jaxom

SirJesto wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Of course, for those of us who pay attention to the morph, the massive boost to stamina regen is well worth it. I have almost 100% uptime on all my stamina abilities because I keep Haste going at all times. Sure, it gives me some faster swings if I have to do regular attacks, but thanks to the regen boost, I rarely need to do those.

I'm at work, but on paper, you would regen about 320-ish stam per haste ability.
(80-ish softcapped stam regen *40% =32 stam per tick *10 ticks = 320)

This isn't factoring in reduction from softcap or changes in softcap from level, etc, but the numbers should be somewhat correct. I guess that would give it a place on someone's bar who used stamina abilities exclusively, but altogether still a sucky ability IMO.

[Will update with hard #s and a quick test when I can log in]

I was going to bypass this skill, but will wait to see what the numbers say first.

I have a guildy who swears by the Stamina Regen Haste morph (name eludes me right now). He tells me that he rarely, if ever, runs out of stamina when you combine it with the other stamina regen we get permanently as a NB. It's like Siphoning Attacks but specifically for Stamina without the damage loss. Now I havent tested it myself, but once the server comes back up, I'm going to play around with it. Now, with the Stamina regen soft caps jumping up, this ability may actually be worth it for specific builds.

Xnemesis

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Well that and bows don't auto fire when you have a full heavy attack ready like all other weapons in the game, so its tough to know when we would have a full drawn bow. Even more so with a working haste and weighted trait.

nerevarine1138

Jaxom wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

Of course, for those of us who pay attention to the morph, the massive boost to stamina regen is well worth it. I have almost 100% uptime on all my stamina abilities because I keep Haste going at all times. Sure, it gives me some faster swings if I have to do regular attacks, but thanks to the regen boost, I rarely need to do those.

I'm at work, but on paper, you would regen about 320-ish stam per haste ability.
(80-ish softcapped stam regen *40% =32 stam per tick *10 ticks = 320)

This isn't factoring in reduction from softcap or changes in softcap from level, etc, but the numbers should be somewhat correct. I guess that would give it a place on someone's bar who used stamina abilities exclusively, but altogether still a sucky ability IMO.

[Will update with hard #s and a quick test when I can log in]

I was going to bypass this skill, but will wait to see what the numbers say first.

I have a guildy who swears by the Stamina Regen Haste morph (name eludes me right now). He tells me that he rarely, if ever, runs out of stamina when you combine it with the other stamina regen we get permanently as a NB. It's like Siphoning Attacks but specifically for Stamina without the damage loss. Now I havent tested it myself, but once the server comes back up, I'm going to play around with it. Now, with the Stamina regen soft caps jumping up, this ability may actually be worth it for specific builds.

This.

I haven't done any number-crunching (because I'm playing a game). All I know is that when I use this ability, I don't run out of stamina. Ever.

Maulkin

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

It "works".

The way haste works in ESO is it reduces the time between attacks, it doesn't shorten the attack itself. I tested with DW and bow, it gave an extra 7 attacks on paper, but 2 of those extra attacks were used trying to keep haste up.

Overall another terrible ability in the NB tree not worth the skill point

I saw a post I think by one of the ZOS people that their testers said it works as intended and I think that's what they had in mind.

I think it joins the list of underwhelming final abilities on skill trees. Like Daedric Mines and Inhale.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

who runs a stamina build these days, anyway. You are crippling yourself.

Cody

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

who runs a stamina build these days, anyway. You are crippling yourself.

so? some of us like to play as we want. to hell with FOTM builds.

nerevarine1138

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

who runs a stamina build these days, anyway. You are crippling yourself.

I'm doing just fine in trials and dungeons. Someone should probably tell on me to Matt Firor, because I clearly broke the game.

SirJesto

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

who runs a stamina build these days, anyway. You are crippling yourself.

I'm doing just fine in trials and dungeons. Someone should probably tell on me to Matt Firor, because I clearly broke the game.

Other Stamina build users may find this amusing. I am VR8 and solo VR8 Dolmens. I won't give my build out because most of you don't deserve it. I was soloing a dolmen as I do and a couple of skirt and sticks came along to "Help" me. Well I proceeded to move to the side and pull up a chair and watch.... as they both ended up laying on the ground with white crosses over their heads.