Out with the new and fix the old!

Azalin76

Was wondering how many people out there would rather see fixes to the current game rather then all of the new content being added. I don't understand why the developers are hard at work making new stuff when the current content is crappy at best with all of the problems with things not working. Many of the passives in the game still don't work and there is absolutely no word on when they will be fixed. Things like vampire passives and class passives should be fixed by now but all we ever hear is that the developers are aware of it and working on it. I think they either need to fix them or remove them from the game and replace them with something else. Anyone else out there agree? Also if I could get a representative from ESO to give us some actual insight on this and not just "we are aware and working on it..." would be great. I understand that new content is important but it's the broken old content that is causing people to leave the game.

nerevarine1138

Nope. The game is pretty darn stable as things stand, and you're abusing the word "many."

Bugs are always a thing with MMOs. The team that fixes them will always be employed, and they will always be a separate team from the developers who work on the content updates.

Lumomancer

New stuff and fixes for old stuff are not mutually exclusive. ZOS has different teams of devs working on both.

AlexDougherty

MMOs have to introduce new stuff at a minimum rate or people start leaving and they fail, then nothing gets fixed.

Azalin76

Well it sure seems that the team in charge of fixing the bugs have been on vacation since the game was released. I have sent numerous bug reports on passives and even posted on here about them going back as far as the first week of June and still no fixes. I honestly can't understand why it should take more than 2 months to fix passives in the game that we rely on and put skill points in to. Either that or they should have a list somewhere of all the passives that don't work so people don't have to waste skill points and then have to end up doing a respec.

theyancey

The old game works fine for me as it is. In with the new!

Wifeaggro13

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. The game is pretty darn stable as things stand, and you're abusing the word "many."

Bugs are always a thing with MMOs. The team that fixes them will always be employed, and they will always be a separate team from the developers who work on the content updates.

Stable like just trying to form a group? Is it a exercise in forming a group and breaking it ten times? just to get four people in all at once is working as intended?

Lumomancer

Azalin76 wrote: »

Well it sure seems that the team in charge of fixing the bugs have been on vacation since the game was released. I have sent numerous bug reports on passives and even posted on here about them going back as far as the first week of June and still no fixes. I honestly can't understand why it should take more than 2 months to fix passives in the game that we rely on and put skill points in to. Either that or they should have a list somewhere of all the passives that don't work so people don't have to waste skill points and then have to end up doing a respec.

So because they have not fixed the specific issues that you want fixed, they haven't fixed anything?

Azalin76

Lumomancer wrote: »

So because they have not fixed the specific issues that you want fixed, they haven't fixed anything?

It's not just me, look thru here and see how many people have complained about vampire passives and dragon knight passives being broken. I have seen posts of people that have parked their characters because of these problems.

Skillgannon

Yes man ur right, thats why so many ppl play a DK at max lvl^^
The ppl that post here are in my opinion not the largest pc off the community

The game as it is has bugs, thats normal for an MMO

Azalin76

Skillgannon wrote: »

Yes man ur right, thats why so many ppl play a DK at max lvl^^
The ppl that post here are in my opinion not the largest pc off the community

The game as it is has bugs, thats normal for an MMO

What does that have to do with anything?

nerevarine1138

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. The game is pretty darn stable as things stand, and you're abusing the word "many."

Bugs are always a thing with MMOs. The team that fixes them will always be employed, and they will always be a separate team from the developers who work on the content updates.

Stable like just trying to form a group? Is it a exercise in forming a group and breaking it ten times? just to get four people in all at once is working as intended?

I experience the group bug once every week or so. It's not a big deal, so I don't waste time or energy whining about it.

Wifeaggro13

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. The game is pretty darn stable as things stand, and you're abusing the word "many."

Bugs are always a thing with MMOs. The team that fixes them will always be employed, and they will always be a separate team from the developers who work on the content updates.

Stable like just trying to form a group? Is it a exercise in forming a group and breaking it ten times? just to get four people in all at once is working as intended?

I experience the group bug once every week or so. It's not a big deal, so I don't waste time or energy whining about it.

ahh solo'r. it doe affect trial leaders VR dungeon runners and Group finder people quite frequently. if you are a group leader you exprience every time you form a group.

Azalin76

I experience the group problem every time I play. Anytime I invite one person then try to invite another it tells me i don't have permission.

nerevarine1138

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. The game is pretty darn stable as things stand, and you're abusing the word "many."

Bugs are always a thing with MMOs. The team that fixes them will always be employed, and they will always be a separate team from the developers who work on the content updates.

Stable like just trying to form a group? Is it a exercise in forming a group and breaking it ten times? just to get four people in all at once is working as intended?

I experience the group bug once every week or so. It's not a big deal, so I don't waste time or energy whining about it.

ahh solo'r. it doe affect trial leaders VR dungeon runners and Group finder people quite frequently. if you are a group leader you exprience every time you form a group.

I'm sorry, what part of "I experience that bug once a week" said that I was soloing content? I group consistently. I just don't see that bug much. And when I do see it, I act like an adult and just reform the group.

PrinceBoru

In with the new!

twev

Azalin76 wrote: »

Lumomancer wrote: »

So because they have not fixed the specific issues that you want fixed, they haven't fixed anything?

It's not just me, look thru here and see how many people have complained about vampire passives and dragon knight passives being broken. I have seen posts of people that have parked their characters because of these problems.

Waste of breath.
If you're not a fanboi - your opinion is pointless.

Anything you have to say is countered with arguments about how you need to learn to play, and ZOS can do anything they want.

I bought the game and a 6 month sub based on things ZOS said and did before launch while hyping the game environment, but whenever I point out that the game they sold me lost some of the very features that convinced me to buy the game, I'm told that it's my problem. As such, I'm not planning on renewing.

I'm not sure when some other players decided that creating a hostile environment and running some other players off was the way to increasing the player base, but I've accepted that it's all my fault for wanting ZOS to deliver on what they hyped and sold me.

Plenty more players out there, they've managed to convince me that me and my opinions aren't welcome.

::washes hands... done.::

Wifeaggro13

twev wrote: »

Azalin76 wrote: »

Lumomancer wrote: »

So because they have not fixed the specific issues that you want fixed, they haven't fixed anything?

It's not just me, look thru here and see how many people have complained about vampire passives and dragon knight passives being broken. I have seen posts of people that have parked their characters because of these problems.

Waste of breath.
If you're not a fanboi - your opinion is pointless.

Anything you have to say is countered with arguments about how you need to learn to play, and ZOS can do anything they want.

I bought the game and a 6 month sub based on things ZOS said and did before launch while hyping the game environment, but whenever I point out that the game they sold me lost some of the very features that convinced me to buy the game, I'm told that it's my problem. As such, I'm not planning on renewing.

I'm not sure when some other players decided that creating a hostile environment and running some other players off was the way to increasing the player base, but I've accepted that it's all my fault for wanting ZOS to deliver on what they hyped and sold me.

Plenty more players out there, they've managed to convince me that me and my opinions aren't welcome.

::washes hands... done.::

The truth is these blind defenders will likely unsub and never return when in the next two billing cycles. i know i have expected many of these issues being a vet MMO launch player. ill just cancel and resub in increments with fixes and content. ill likely be playing for 2 or more years this way. and still posting i might add. the fanboi will jump on the next ship and be the cabin boy for the next big MMo launch.

Dionysis

I love how pointing out that ZoS has in fact fixed many bugs, some prohibiting quest advancement, and has responded to issues such as bots or the gold spam I am no longer getting in my mail, makes someone a "fanboi". I am not a "blind defender", I admit there are problems. It still irritates the *** out of me that my buddy that is a couple levels ahead of me can't help me with quests due to phasing, or that the stamina heavy DK I wanna build doesn't feel as awesome as my full magicka templar. I had the quest Rite of Theft glitch out on me last night. However, I dealt with the glitch, logged off and logged back on and it worked. And on the Future Panel they outlined exactly the changes they are making to fix grouping, and the Veteran system people are complaining about.

This game is still new, it has its things that need fixing, but really, that whole team they have dedicated to Art and Level Design, they can't do *** for your passive not working. Understand that making new content does not mean that they are not fixing ***. On every patch, I see a list of *** they are fixing along with new stuff. Just because I don't hate ZoS and trash the game every chance I get, makes me a "fanboi" and "blind defender". Screw that noise.

Falmer

Let me ask you a question...

If you are doing your homework up in your room, Should your family turn off the television downstairs and sit there quietly while you finish?

Or

Do you think you are capable enough to do your homework while the rest of the family watches their shows on TV?

Most developers are capable enough to walk and chew gum at the same time. Different people are performing different aspects of development. Fixing bugs has NOTHING to do with content development. Games typically aren't being churned out by a single person in their basement anymore

Azalin76

I think they should have fixed the issues with passives before they launched the game or at least removed them. What is the point of putting something in the game that people can't use? It's like them saying hey we just added this great new dungeon, however it's bugged and no one can enter it, and by the way we don't know how to fix it so don't look for any fixes soon, but hey we added a new dungeon......

Rhoric

Not every bug is an easy fix. They have to figure out what is causing it and then determine if they fix the bug will it break something else. If it does then they have to come at the bug from a different angle. But yes sometimes putting fixes in does break something else and it is not done on purpose like some others like to think.

Ser Lobo

I'm fairly happy with the amount of bug fixes and patches there have been in the relatively short time the game has been out. Then again, my game is very stable, like most of the players I play with, so of course I'm happy. The few I know plagued with issues, aren't.

I'm actually chomping at the bit for more content, to be honest. I want more zones, more NPC guilds, more achievements, more dungeons, more trials, player housing, etc, etc, etc. Radiant quests, etc.

And I'm slow-boating it, leveling three characters at once, with my max just recently finishing the third alliance (today). I'm not one to rush through quests or content, and don't get a lot of time to play, so I can understand completely how there could be others who are bored to the core already.

Wifeaggro13

Falmer wrote: »

Let me ask you a question...

If you are doing your homework up in your room, Should your family turn off the television downstairs and sit there quietly while you finish?

Or

Do you think you are capable enough to do your homework while the rest of the family watches their shows on TV?

Most developers are capable enough to walk and chew gum at the same time. Different people are performing different aspects of development. Fixing bugs has NOTHING to do with content development. Games typically aren't being churned out by a single person in their basement anymore

This true. Though many attack me because im blunt about Eso failures. I think it has potential . I think what is happening is team are being diverted to help with console. Its the reason why things are happening rather slow.

indytims_ESO

Ultimately, the devs discuss this at some point and decide which is more important: the -possibility- of players leaving over minor bugs, or the -possibility- of players reaching end-game and leaving over boredom.

ESO is incredibly easy. Reaching end-game is fairly quick (I believe there were tons of people reaching vet levels within a week of launch - which is pathetic, really).

The devs know that gamers will endure a certain number of bugs - but 'boredom' is something that will kill a game quicker than anything. Afterall, if you are having fun (despite the bugs), there's a good chance you'll stick around - because you're having fun.

Besides, to realistically get rid of the majority of the game's issues, the devs might need -months-, even a year or more to do so. With nothing new coming during that time - players will bail. And after the devs are done, advertising "ESO - The same old game, but now bug-free!" isn't going to entice anyone back, while advertising, "ESO - New Mega-Super content arriving November 32nd!" will generate interest.

It really comes down to how 'bad' the bugs are. Most players will endure a lot of minor bugs. But most players won't endure boredom.

kijima

Do you not read the patch notes?

I was contemplating posting up 'just' the FIXES AND IMPROVEMENTS in the last 6 patches since 1.4 but realized I couldn't fit them all in with one post.

Plenty of stuff has been fixed. I'm not sure if you play PvP but the FPS issue a few weeks backs rendered the game unplayable, it wasn't just a passive or two or skills not 100% working correctly. The game would run at 3 FPS! Something like that is worth getting your pants down about. For what it's worth, I'm an NB and I'm VERY used to passives not working, or the skills we have being broken. But what I've come to understand is that you need patience, and plenty of it. A good sense of humor wouldn't go astray either.

Am I a fanboi? No, I'm not blinded to the fact things are broken (again, I play an NB) but there is no sense getting bent out of shape about things that don't 'really' matter, compared to the bigger issues.

Things like passives and class balance will always take longer to fix as they are 'unplanned' issues that have arisen. Also, as to balance, small changes in class can take one class from zero to hero overnight. I'm glad they take this seriously, as class is the one thing you can't change.

I'd bet money that future content is something planned well in advance, and by another team too hence why they always seem to be rolling out new content. And, if I were ZOS I'd be trying to cater for the broader gamer audience that is screaming for more all the time. There are plenty of VR12's out there with titles like Savior of nirn and so on.

Evergnar

Call me crazy but I want both. Problems fixed and new content. Why shouldn't we get both when we are paying a sub fee.

Maximis_ESO

Honestly the problems with the game right now are so minimal I can't believe people complain about them at all.... but the truth is no matter what they do people complain. They could fix every bug release awesome new content and someone somewhere will still find something to complain about.

MeowGinger

Falmer wrote: »

Let me ask you a question...

If you are doing your homework up in your room, Should your family turn off the television downstairs and sit there quietly while you finish?

Or

Do you think you are capable enough to do your homework while the rest of the family watches their shows on TV?

Most developers are capable enough to walk and chew gum at the same time. Different people are performing different aspects of development. Fixing bugs has NOTHING to do with content development. Games typically aren't being churned out by a single person in their basement anymore

Off-topic, but I have to say that this is a poor analogy. In many cases, people cannot work as efficiently (or in rarer cases, work at all) with the distraction of a TV just below. This is why quiet hours, library silence, etc. exist. There actually are problems and disorders that prevent some people from being able to concentrate with large amounts of background noise. This is why academic accommodations (ex. IEPs) and disabilities services exist. At least in some countries... I can't speak for all of them.

That said, the teams who work on bug fixes, art & design (concepts, game models, etc.), quest writing, and so on are all probably distinct from one another and working in parallel at the same time. I don't think bug fixes are sacrificed for new content (or vice versa).

Melian

Far from "blind defenders", what we really have here are blind attackers who run into some issue that annoys them and then make blanket statements about the game being broken and everything sucking - even when most people aren't experiencing the problem, or only experience it rarely.

In with the new.

NewBlacksmurf

Id love for the bugs to be fixed before new content.