ZaDrots (Fanfaron) vs Shido's raid

Kira_Night

Hey guys! Here is the video how ZaDrots with famous Fanfaron and 17 more people fight with Shido's raid of 30+ people (the strongest one on EU megaserver). And our (ZaDrots) win rate vs Shido is about 50% on 50% (despite of numbers difference).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAlEbv-qDz8

If you want to beat Shido's AD raid every time, making them cry like babies, join us here: http://zadrots.ru/forum/276-zaiavki-na-vstuplenie/

P.S. Today we killed Shido's raid of 50+ people with 16 members.

projectscience

So? What is your point?

Mojomonkeyman

Great job & stuff.

I was most impressed how the streamer kept on spamming button No. 4 for 99% of the vid. That`s not PvP, that`s something else...

Aoe_Barbecue

Summary of thread thus far and thread further to come:

"I don't like the way you play and therefore I will judge your ESO skills negatively" versus "My way of playing ESO is superior and therefore I will judge your ESO skills negatively" with a bit of "I don't care about any of this and I want to tell all of you repeatedly".

PvForum, engage!

SirAndy

Epeen stroking much?

Mojomonkeyman

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

Summary of thread thus far and thread further to come:

"I don't like the way you play and therefore I will judge your ESO skills negatively" versus "My way of playing ESO is superior and therefore I will judge your ESO skills negatively" with a bit of "I don't care about any of this and I want to tell all of you repeatedly".

PvForum, engage!

Please, master of wisdom, watch how hard he`s hitting that button no. 4 and explain to me the incredible amount skill & expertise it showcases. He couldve just left his other four slots empty, even more efficient cuz less distraction!

griszax

I noticed how people like to exagerate in this game. Watched this video and I can't notice that "30+ raid ".
What is sad is the fact that both raids stand hugging eachothers spamming impulse and only 6 people are loosing hp. Gotta love these aoe caps
From what I saw also they didn't even have 20 people today in raid.
Otherwise nice thread and let the FLAME begins

NekOnOkO

Kira_Night wrote: »

Hey guys! Here is the video how ZaDrots with famous Fanfaron and 17 more people fight with Shido's raid of 30+ people (the strongest one on EU megaserver). And our (ZaDrots) win rate vs Shido is about 50% on 50% (despite of numbers difference).

If you want to beat Shido's AD raid every time, making them cry like babies, join us here: http://zadrots.ru/forum/276-zaiavki-na-vstuplenie/

P.S. Today we killed Shido's raid of 50+ people with 16 members.

Useless thread is useless. What are you trying to prove? Nobody gives f flying f*ck about your e-peen stoking and hurt "pride". Also, devs are either still unaware or don't care of the fact that their game cannot handle even 20v20 fight without insane abilities lag.

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Great job & stuff.

I was most impressed how the streamer kept on spamming button No. 4 for 99% of the vid. That`s not PvP, that`s something else...

I still wonder what's there inside your head... if there is anything at all. I mean, hating RvR and the way it is played so much yet posting same bullsh*t for months already instead of moving on to some game that will satisfy your insane lust for "skill".

QuiCkyRa

Nice one

Mud_Puppy

I see nothing described as skill from either side.

Kira_Night

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

I see nothing described as skill from either side.

OR

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Great job & stuff.

I was most impressed how the streamer kept on spamming button No. 4 for 99% of the vid. That`s not PvP, that`s something else...

Guys, I see that the most of you do not know how to play mass PVP battles. Try to repeat this and then tell me how to play. Everyone can make poops on forums but IN GAME we iron you like ants into the ground. And I don't give a *** what you think when you lie with your mates on the ground meanwhile we crown our Emperor. I usually get about 500 kills and about 5-6 deaths after the raid - tell me how unsuccessful we are...

We have tactics and strategies during our raids. And it's not about pushing 1 button only. It's about raid builds, raid clothes, raid tactics, in battle moves, right timing and etc. I often use all your 12 slots in battle + synergies. And a lot of people say that ZaDrots raid is the strongest one in Auriels Bow. If you don't agree with this - lets make a Guild Vs Guild event and see who is the best!

P.S. We alredy had some GVGs. And YOU are wellcome guys!

Sorry for my English though. Russians are not very good with English, you know )

Kira_Night

Number of people in Shido's raid was counted with kill-counter addon by me that day. It showed 35 kills after defeating their raid.

DontBeAfraid

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Great job & stuff.

I was most impressed how the streamer kept on spamming button No. 4 for 99% of the vid. That`s not PvP, that`s something else...

totally agree.. raidscale pvp is so boring in this game. spam one button and go brain afk. u even can watch a movie while doing this..


but well everyone has his own preference i guess.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO

good job although we do that too with Erson's group, with around the same number people.

people, who think this is no skill lame and boring pvp, please, if you just have to use 1 skill. try to do that.

mass pvp is teamwork, and good teamwork requires you to specialise.

you need people who heal (like healing springs, although the next part is more important imo)
prevent damage (fragmented shields (tons of damage too, sometimes more than impulse), barrier),
prevent cc (purge, this can prevent a ton of damage too, rapid manover against snares,+every single memeber of the group using immovable),
cc enemies (for example negate),
use synergy spells (eg. some undaunted skills)
and yes, people who do damage. its the flaw of the game that there is basecally 1 spell that can do it effectively.



this is all imprtant, not just the damage part. crushed many other groups with more people who were clearly lead by teamspeak, but could only do the impulse spamming

also, your group of randoms will continue to wipe to them, because even if you have the same or larger numbers, you have no leading, even if someone tries noone listens. you have no smart tactics and are ignorant to anything like that. also, you can have larger numbers, but when the organized group attacks, you are too spread out, and are crushed one by one

Etaniel

Mass people running around spamming one button is called a zerg. This here is an organized group, and there is much more to it. Oh and to Zadrots, nice video, but don't go thinking you're the only group around capable of bringing Shido's raid down ^^

Krentar_RNX

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

people, who think this is no skill lame and boring pvp, please, if you just have to use 1 skill. try to do that.

Organized mass pvp in this game is broken thanks to the AoE caps. If you want to believe that telling a guy to spam purge/IMM/Aoe + ulti other to press AoE heal/IMM + barrier1/2/3 next one RM/AoE/IMM+ulti and so on while following an icon is extremly complicate and require rocket science degree thats fine but dont treat us like idiots because you arent going to fool us.

Obviously there are better groups than others but doesnt change the fact that its an easy playing format.

ThyIronFist

And this is exactly what is wrong with PvP.

InstaR

Guys, why are you talking about skill,real pvp or something like this? I don't see you in cyrodiil, or you are one of these "super true hero with bow and heavy armor"?:)

P.S. Erson's group/anybody, what about some RVR?

Kira_Night

gwenael_raguinb16_ESO wrote: »

Mass people running around spamming one button is called a zerg. This here is an organized group, and there is much more to it. Oh and to Zadrots, nice video, but don't go thinking you're the only group around capable of bringing Shido's raid down ^^

We don't think that we are the best. We are looking for other foe or allied groups to compete or to cooperate with.

Also we are opened for new members who is ready for the upper level group playing PVP.

I'm glad that in this theme there are a lot of people who understand that successful mass-PVP gaming requires good skills, certain builds, role assignment, team play and discipline. This is a key to success in a team game.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO

Krentar_RNX wrote: »

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

Organized mass pvp in this game is broken thanks to the AoE caps. If you want to believe that telling a guy to spam purge/IMM/Aoe + ulti other to press AoE heal/IMM + barrier1/2/3 next one RM/AoE/IMM+ulti and so on while following an icon is extremly complicate and require rocket science degree thats fine but dont treat us like idiots because you arent going to fool us.

Obviously there are better groups than others but doesnt change the fact that its an easy playing format.

a good organized group would crush the horde of bads with or without aoe caps.
it isnt rocket science, its teamwork, tactics (ambushing groups on flags, flanking, false retreat, things randoms never do) and of course discipline (pugs have never even heared about this)

you can call this no skill easy play, or similar, but its actualy about realizing how the group together is stronger than a bigger number of loners.

i guess we could argue about this a lot without end, as butthurt people will always try to find excuses and blame the opponent, but in the end, all that matters is that we few win and a bunch of you are dead.

Krentar_RNX

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

a good organized group would crush the horde of bads with or without aoe caps.

Thats not a group, thats a zerg. of 20/30 players

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

it isnt rocket science, its teamwork, tactics (ambushing groups on flags, flanking, false retreat, things randoms never do) and of course discipline (pugs have never even heared about this)

Doesnt change the fact that for X hours you still use 3/4 buttoms per player.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

you can call this no skill easy play, or similar, but its actualy about realizing how the group together is stronger than a bigger number of loners.

You are right, itsnt a no skill , its a 4 skills. Grats killing random players that arent coordinated via TS while abusing the AoE caps mechanism.

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO wrote: »

i guess we could argue about this a lot without end, as butthurt people will always try to find excuses and blame the opponent, but in the end, all that matters is that we few win and a bunch of you are dead.

You are the one pressing 4 buttoms for hours and giving excuses of why your gaming play style require a huge effort, not me.

MrNice

Krentar_RNX,

Thats not a group, thats a zerg. of 20/30 players

Thats a group against zerg.
If you want to see small scale here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-1_z6xS23Y

Doesnt change the fact that for X hours you still use 3/4 buttoms per player.

You have 6 buttons (1 panel) only, where 1 is ult. For example from time to time I'm using 5 skill + ult (when its needed) and changing for 2nd panel and using all 5 skills + ult too. Ok, I have same ult and Immovable at 2 panels - its 10 skills from time to time, and using synergy - it's 11.

You are right, itsnt a no skill , its a 4 skills. Grats killing random players that arent coordinated via TS while abusing the AoE caps mechanism.

Oh, rly? You can watch our movies against TS groups if you want. If you don't - not my problem. Is Shido group "random players that arent coordinated via TS"? I don't think so... Can u please say where is "abuse of AoE caps mechanism"?
P.S. If you're soooo megaskill player - please show us your movies....

xbalint.vargaxprb19_ESO

sigh...ok last comment, time to move on from this nonsense argue

just because we are 20 we are not a zerg. a zerg is your random "lfg"/"lfm" groups, not working together, individuals close to each other without any coordination besides following a call in zone/rez-ing in camps close to action.

creating such a group doesnt require huge effort or skill, only those i mentioned previously, i think it doesnt even require teamspeak, just being able to follow the crown and helping each other. I have tried many times when i created a random group, to ask people to stay close to each other, help each other, to follow very basic orders, but 75% of the people that joined are ignorant like you, they always went solo and never ever communicated or showed any sign of intelligence. I know its a game, but you could play it smart instead of being a [snip].

please stop blaming aoe cap. if 1 person charges in solo a big group, even if he could hit all of them, he has max 1 casts before getting killed (probably from fragmented shield reflecting his own damage haha)

about your 4 button nonsense...its hard to argue with you. really. i could say no we use almost all of them, or there are only limited skillslots anyway, or when in a situation there is only 1 best ability why would i use other, or if we used all 6 we could still slaughter you, etc.
all this doesnt matter. I choose to play smart and group up with my friends, where we specialize and use the skills for the team, not just for ourselfs, instead of running around alone, without purpuse and trying to use every single skill in that half second fight until being killed so i am a dumb no-skill abuser, according to your logic, which no way can be changed

i have no idea how some can think that being organized to win is something bad and the real play is the chaotic mess where many people pew-pew-pew each other from far, than a few charges in solo to die. or keepfights where attackers can never overcome the endlessly rez-ing defenders, and defenders that can never truly push them back permanently, resulting a longlasting stalemete, but if thats the dream for you, its ok for me, just dont blame others for being smarter and defeating you

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Mud_Puppy

Kira_Night wrote: »

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

I see nothing described as skill from either side.

OR

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Great job & stuff.

I was most impressed how the streamer kept on spamming button No. 4 for 99% of the vid. That`s not PvP, that`s something else...

Guys, I see that the most of you do not know how to play mass PVP battles.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. They way eso is structured fights like this require little thinking. You want to talk about large pvp battles that require skill? Go play daoc or shadowbane than come back and make a post.

As players we're forced to zergball when it comes down winning campaigns and yes it matters who can do it better. I do it myself with my guild, but I don't brag about it because its an unfortunate way of doing things. Also by the look of things you guys could be doing it alot better.

However because of the AE cap and armor mechanics it's literally a dumbed down version of what could be possible.

So no, you will not get any recognition for this from any guild or player worth their salt, have a good day.

Sublime

Was damn close at 1:27 and 1:28.

Kira_Night

Sublime wrote: »

Was damn close at 1:27 and 1:28.

Yep, it was damn hard.

Kira_Night

To Mud_Puppy ==> let's meet on GVG? And you'll show us the superior team! )

Cherti

Kira_Night wrote: »

Hey guys! Here is the video how ZaDrots with famous Fanfaron and 17 more people fight with Shido's raid of 30+ people (the strongest one on EU megaserver)..

The best joke I've heard in a long time

InstaR

Cherti wrote: »

The best joke I've heard in a long time

Jokes? I don't think so.
P.S. Can you tell me name of your guild?

Skafsgaard

Kira_Night wrote: »

Hey guys! Here is the video how ZaDrots with famous Fanfaron and 17 more people fight with Shido's raid of 30+ people (the strongest one on EU megaserver). And our (ZaDrots) win rate vs Shido is about 50% on 50% (despite of numbers difference).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAlEbv-qDz8

If you want to beat Shido's AD raid every time, making them cry like babies, join us here: http://zadrots.ru/forum/276-zaiavki-na-vstuplenie/

P.S. Today we killed Shido's raid of 50+ people with 16 members.

lol, we're 20-23 (a few AFK) when ran in to you guys - but good fight

50+ ?! just wow

Kira_Night

lol, we're 20-23 (a few AFK) when ran in to you guys - but good fight

50+ ?! just wow

Maybe the killcounter showed me other PUGs that died nearby. So I can not affirm the exact number of your raid

Good fight, definately.

Yep, on Thursday, July 31. We were alone and there was your raid for sure (we saw Shido's nickname). We fought on the hill - just we and you. And maybe only few PUGs from your side. We won that time and there was 53 kills on the killcounter. Correct me if I'm wrong.